[B]Voting[/B] - Another perspective - Sad tale.

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Good luck, m. You know I support efforts to make this ... and any ... system work efficiently and effectively for all involved. However, as with any form of activism, success requires that a majority care enough to take action. Thousands of authors would have to pack up and leave Lit (or threaten to do so) before it'd have any such impact. I just don't see that happening. So, we mourn the departure of a babylez every so often ... and Lit life goes on as usual. We are poorer for it and Lit is poorer for it, but nothing really changes. It's frustrating, I know.

But, consider this: even if the abusive voting were curtailed, there remains the issue of perspective. Are votes cast on technical or artistic or wank merit? There is no standardization, and without it, the entire system is pretty much meaningless as an indicator of quality.

 

[Liar]

Ok, brace thyself, here is a management defender. Woowoo... I have no idea how that will "mark me", but I speak from my heart, so I don't really care. I do respect your opinions, and appriciate your ambitions to make the world a better place, but I think I need to say this anyway. If it's out of line, please let me know, and I'll move it to a new thread instead.
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There are things that really iffs me about the threads popping up now and then, complaining about this and that here on the site... demanding changes...

Two of those things is something that the profile you quoted (Babylez was it? Nothing personal against her, many share her attitude.) clearly illustrate.

However, despite all the supportive things people have written to me, I have remained utterly dissatisfied with the way the website handles the voting aspect of the stories and the way its owner fails to respond to the authors who contribute to the site for no compensation. I have visited with many other writers who have sustained similar discouragement in the past and despite repeated requests to Literotica to fix a scoring system that is clearly broken, the site owner has continued to ignore those requests.

Have you ever considered that this is because they are trying their damndest to keep the site afloat at all?

Lit is a small, independent website. Small, independent websites live a kind of marginalized life, and I don't know the exact situation for this one, but I'm guessing it's the same as with other similar sites. It's budget is limited and recources are not endless. Run by enthusiasts working their butts off to contribute something tangible to the general web sphere. I know. I've been one of them. And if my experiences are anything to go by, they are most likely hanging by their fingernails trying to keep up with the daily business.

What makes you guys think that "The Owners" or "The Management" (makes it sound like a suit-and-tie executive board) do NOT want an as fair and uncorruptible voting system as possible? Of course they do. But you make it sound like it's an easy-peasy thing to implement, and that it has not been done because "The Management" doesn't give a toss.

And that is (pardon the invective ) nothing short of bullshit. The way that Laurel and Manu bend over backwards to make this site good and the way they care and cater for individuals here on a daily basis is sometihng I haven't seen anywhere on the net in a very long time. Just take story theft as a shining example. Lit does not own the copyright to it's stories. And still, find that it's been stolen from here, and Laurel will hunt the theifs down. For you. To defend YOUR copyright.

To insinuate (and sometimes even spell out loud, like some do) that they are not working their asses off for you, that they're ignoring and neglecting you...is just plain insulting.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry for the rant, but part of the attitude that shines through here is really dissapointing to me. You enjoy a 100% free service. Lit provides you with webspace, bandwidth and a massive reader base, as well as a vibrant community. And you don't have to pay a dime. Try finding anything close to the quality, value and service level you have here on another free, independent site. "We give them our stories for free" is a common thing I see in these discussions. No you don't. They are yours. You use the Lit platform and bandwdth to reach readers. It's like saying you give Xerox your stories if you make paper copies of them (Ok, not exactly like that, but I'm a little short on similies, so bear with me. )

And ask not what Literotica can do for you, but what you can do for Literotica. Want change? Don't demand it. Offer your assistance.

 

[Liar]

This being said...what you try to say, mismused, and say in a very roundabout way...

The irregularities in voting can be because a person who votes twice on the same story has both votes removed.

Is that it? If so, and if it is true, then I think it might be adjustable so that the first vote alweays remain, and the rest are simply ignored. Depends on how the voting scripts are written in the first place if it's an easy or a hard job.

 

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This being said...what you try to say, mismused, and say in a very roundabout way...

The irregularities in voting can be because a person who votes twice on the same story has both votes removed.

Is that it? If so, and if it is true, then I think it might be adjustable so that the first vote alweays remain, and the rest are simply ignored. Depends on how the voting scripts are written in the first place if it's an easy or a hard job.

This confuses me, I must admit.

Every so often I'll read an older story from an author I enjoy, usually after they have a new story posted. I'll vote, only to be told that I have already voted. Oops. I forgot I had, because it was so long ago.

However, the system didn't take my second vote. Why is it taking more than one vote from other people?

 

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The way that Laurel and Manu bend over backwards to make this site good and the way they care and cater for individuals here on a daily basis is sometihng I haven't seen anywhere on the net in a very long time.

From what I've seen and from the conversations I've had with Laurel, I'd have to agree with you. There is no doubt in my mind that the management cares & cares deeply about this site and its contributors.

 

[Liar]

This confuses me, I must admit.

Every so often I'll read an older story from an author I enjoy, usually after they have a new story posted. I'll vote, only to be told that I have already voted. Oops. I forgot I had, because it was so long ago.

However, the system didn't take my second vote. Why is it taking more than one vote from other people?

I'm equally confused, sweets.
Not sure if it works that way or not. It's just something I've heard. And mismused's story a few posts up hints at the same thing...a guy who voted 5 several times, whichmade the first, good 5 vote not count.

We all jsut have assumptions here anyway. I suggest finding out how it actually truly works before we start thinking about improvements.

 

[Guest]

From what I've seen and from the conversations I've had with Laurel, I'd have to agree with you. There is no doubt in my mind that the management cares & cares deeply about this site and its contributors.

Yes.

Laurel and Manu respond quickly to problems, whether they be stolen stories, tech issues or even a vicious poster run amuck. The site is classy, well-run, and has allowed many of us to get our works noticed by quite a few people. The Erotic Cocktail is a direct result of the collaborative efforts of AH regulars; would this group have gotten together without a place such as this?

The attitude that we are doing Lit a favor by posting our masterpieces on this site is presumptuous and quite ridiculous. I feel priviledged to submit stories here, I don't expect Laurel to beg me for additional works.

And now I feel like bitch slapping somebody.

(Better go off to the Venom thread.)

 

[babylez]

thank you all

thank you to those who have lamented my departure and invested time and effort in trying to remedy the situation for all existing authors.

stacey

 

[Liar]

And now I feel like bitch slapping somebody.

I volunteer. If we can kiss and make up afterwards.

 

[Guest]

I volunteer. If we can kiss and make up afterwards.

Mmmm. Isn't make-up sex the best?

 

[Liar]

Mmmm. Isn't make-up sex the best?

Unless you have really bad bruises or fatigue from blood loss due to the cause of the make-up sex, then yeah.


Erm... sorry, back to topic.

 

[Guest]

Unless you have really bad bruises or fatigue from blood loss due to the cause of the make-up sex, then yeah.


Erm... sorry, back to topic.

What was the topic again?

 

[cloudy]

Yes.

Laurel and Manu respond quickly to problems, whether they be stolen stories, tech issues or even a vicious poster run amuck. The site is classy, well-run, and has allowed many of us to get our works noticed by quite a few people. The Erotic Cocktail is a direct result of the collaborative efforts of AH regulars; would this group have gotten together without a place such as this?

The attitude that we are doing Lit a favor by posting our masterpieces on this site is presumptuous and quite ridiculous. I feel priviledged to submit stories here, I don't expect Laurel to beg me for additional works.

Amen, sister.

 

[Boxlicker101]

But, consider this: even if the abusive voting were curtailed, there remains the issue of perspective. Are votes cast on technical or artistic or wank merit? There is no standardization, and without it, the entire system is pretty much meaningless as an indicator of quality.

Perspective will vary immensely from one reader to another and who can say who is right. A reader might vote a five on one of my stories and say: "This was a really hot story. My dick was hard after the first three paragrahs and by the time I was halfway through, I was already cumming. I read the second half the next day and wanked again and got off. Keep writing more like it."

Another voter might vote a one and say: This was a very poorly written story. There was no plot, no conflict and not even an attempt at characterization. To the degree there was any story line at all, it was strictly a cliche."

Which of these writers is correct? Both of them but I consider the first one to be more correct because I was writing for him and men and women like him, people who want something just to enhance their sex lives, either wanking or frigging or with their partners. Ir I had my druthers, I'd druther people like the second reader didn't read it but if they must do so, I'd druther they didn't vote and I'd druther they kept their opinions to themselves, because I will just ignore them anyhow, at least on stories like the one referenced.

 

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And now I feel like bitch slapping somebody.

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Uh, sweetss, if it's me, can you let me have a little time to become a sub so I can really enjoy it? Puuuuleeeze?



m

LOL!

Well, we could try the switch thing, I suppose. I have been kicking ass lately.

Let me get my whip.

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P.S. to any who wonder: This is the first time I've had any contact with babylez. Period, and that's not Rafael Palmeiro's "perioid" either.

Sure it is.