Atheist!

[xssve]

Lets play "who's the twue Christian", shall we?

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[Verdad]

"Catholic dogs go to heaven, Presbyterians dogs can talk to their pastor."

 

[xssve]

Turn it on for Jesus.

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[sr71plt]

I disagree. The dicionary meaning of the ford "faith" is central to (at least most) Christians. You have to believe in the death, rescurresction and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. You don't wait for rationale or proof. You take, a leap, of faith. To try and strengthen your faith with evidence is to doubt it.

This is not me speaking, but any mainstream Christian centerpiece from the Apostle and Nicene Creed to the Lutherans ditto and onwards.

Or have I completely misunderstood how it works?

Whether the dictionary is relevant to wmrs2, is a separate issue.

And for a Christian that level of faith becomes, for them, knowledge--no matter what the dictionaries say. You can't really tell me what is in a Christian's frame of reference unless you am one.

Which, again, is the basic problem here (other than mwsr2 just being a gamester).

 

[Stella_Omega]

Of course, Hitler had a superman premise for all his actions and according to atheistic logic, that makes his deeds just.

You're thinking of Randism.

 

[xssve]

You're thinking of Randism.

They were both derived from what I consider a misunderstanding of Nietzsche - Nietzsche's conception of the Übermensch struck me more as philosophical defense of civil disobedience than an excuse for genocide.

 

[NoJo]

You're thinking of Randism.

Me too. 7.44586348834002937721

 

[wmrs2]

And for a Christian that level of faith becomes, for them, knowledge--no matter what the dictionaries say. You can't really tell me what is in a Christian's frame of reference unless you am one.

Which, again, is the basic problem here (other than mwsr2 just being a gamester).

See, you were an undercover agent of RABD. Here Boy! Here Boy! Fetch!

 

[Stella_Omega]

Me too. 7.44586348834002937721

Can I buy you a drink?

 

[NoJo]

Can I buy you a drink?

I don't know -- I tend to order incredibly expensive ones, which look like Carmen Miranda's hats

 

[Stella_Omega]

I don't know -- I tend to order incredibly expensive ones, which look like Carmen Miranda's hats

I'd buy you Carmen Miranda, if I could afford her.

 

[xssve]

I don't know -- I tend to order incredibly expensive ones, which look like Carmen Miranda's hats

Nice avatar.

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[sr71plt]

I'd buy you Carmen Miranda, if I could afford her.

Hmmm. I wonder what a 54-year-old corpse goes for these days.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hmmm. I wonder what a 54-year-old corpse goes for these days.

The bribes you have to pay so you can dig it up in the middle of the night are pretty steep...

 

[xssve]

Allright, I'm out of spam, and I've got shit to do, Audi.

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[NoJo]

I'd buy you Carmen Miranda, if I could afford her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojo3I59Gn6c

 

[sadangel]

I see it continues. I won't even BOTHER to read it all. I just had to comment that I'm suprirsed it continues.

Sarah and Ogg. Your thoughts on page 51 about "wrms" beliefs being only his. I am in agreement with what you both say.

So, he can now prepare to crucify me when I can't even say anything else...that's okay.

Bye all. I come read for a laugh again when I am able to.

 

[Liar]

And for a Christian that level of faith becomes, for them, knowledge--no matter what the dictionaries say. You can't really tell me what is in a Christian's frame of reference unless you am one.

Which, again, is the basic problem here (other than mwsr2 just being a gamester).

True. I'm not a Christian. I'm an extremist agnostic.

But I'm interrested in religion, and I've asked a lot of Christians about this, including priests and pastors, and what i told you is what they told me. The central theme is "my faith is strong, so I don't need evidence". That's all i can really say about that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojo3I59Gn6c

¡Que splendore!

 

[sr71plt]

True. I'm not a Christian. I'm an extremist agnostic.

But I'm interrested in religion, and I've asked a lot of Christians about this, including priests and pastors, and what i told you is what they told me. The central theme is "my faith is strong, so I don't need evidence". That's all i can really say about that.

Ah, the "lots of my friends are" ploy.

Not all of the hardassed pushy discussion on this thread is being handed by by wmrs2 and Amicus.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ah, the "lots of my friends are" ploy.

Not all of the hardassed pushy discussion on this thread is being handed by by wmrs2 and Amicus.

Yes, some Christians claim they have evidence, but what do they give you when you ask?

"Look at this beautiful world!"

or "The Bible!"

or; "My faith is strong!"

Admittedly, those are off the top of my very cranky head. What other types of proof have you heard, or know of?

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, some Christians claim they have evidence, but what do they give you when you ask?

"Look at this beautiful world!"

or "The Bible!"

or; "My faith is strong!"

Admittedly, those are off the top of my very cranky head. What other types of proof have you heard, or know of?

I'm not sure what you are referring to in anything I posted. They don't have evidence, I don't think (although they can have supposition). They have faith/belief. And in their lexicon, this is knowledge (which is what I was addressing).

If they want to argue with you--either to proseltyze you or counter your proseltyzing of them, they may call it evidence. But it isn't. Evidence is something they've bypassed in this instance.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Okay, we are on the same wavelength, then.

Someone back there seemed saddened that i could not relax and depend on faith, and hes correct-- although why that's sad is beyond me.

I require a modicum of evidence before I can put my faith in things-- like, the bridge won't fall down, gravity will continue to stick my feet to the ground, the tooth fairy left the agreed-upon amount under my pillow...

 

[Liar]

Ah, the "lots of my friends are" ploy.

Not all of the hardassed pushy discussion on this thread is being handed by by wmrs2 and Amicus.

Countered by the "dismiss the speaker not the message" ploy.

This is the picture I've gotten from christians about christianity. So instead snarking your ass off about it, what wouldja want me to say?

 

[sr71plt]

Okay, we are on the same wavelength, then.

Someone back there seemed saddened that i could not relax and depend on faith, and hes correct-- although why that's sad is beyond me.

I require a modicum of evidence before I can put my faith in things-- like, the bridge won't fall down, gravity will continue to stick my feet to the ground, the tooth fairy left the agreed-upon amount under my pillow...

Yeah, this is the part of many of the Christian denominations that turn me off--the "You've gotta believe what I do" evangelists. The basic Christ figure didn't push the faith; he modeled and let people choose to follow him if they wished to--and let them follow their own beliefs if they didn't. When he argued with the Jewish elders, his arguments were within their shared faith.

I try not to argue anyone out of whatever spiritual beliefs they have. If it gives them comfort, why should I rattle that cage. I'm not strong in a Christian faith--but I certainly wish I could obtain the comfort of being so. And thus I see no reason not to continue seeking it.