Atheist!

[wmrs2]

I have a whole stack of Bibles and a larger stack of Bible commentaries--all sitting on the floor next to me, as I'm in the midst of writing a commissioned Bible study--and I find no references to God hating any human being in the Bible. God used a whole lot of weak people for God's purposes, but I find no reference to God hating those people. Obviously you haven't either, or you would cite direct references to God hating human beings--which you haven't done.

My biggest problem with what you post here is the danger that readers mistake you for an actual Christian.

You simply flat out lie. You say that we have not cited any verses that state that God hates.

Here is a direct quote where your false accusations failed to address.

This type of Godly hate is explained best in Proverbs, 6th chapter. Verse 16 is the theme of this Proverb: These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him.

Two of the persons God hates are expressly named. A false witness (v.16) and he that soweth discord among brethren (v.19) are two types of people God hates, which sounds like a lot of people on this forum that think they know God but do not.

God is a God of love and uses the word hate sparingly. The theme of the Bible is expressed in John 3:16. Universal familiarity with this theme means no explanation is necessary but God’s universal love is reserved for those who believe. Unbelievers are left out of the equation of God’s love. Throughout the Bible the antithesis of love, which is hate, is reserved to the unbeliever or atheist.

We are very displeased when persons think they know God well enough to give comfort and aid to the enemies of God under the pretense that those who mention hate and God together, as you and other pretend Christians do here, that we who mention hate have done an evil thing. The Bible explains you and God’s attitude towards you in Psalms 11:5: The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Just like you do not read all our posts, you will find that the Bible will have little meaning to you if you do not read the whole Bible. The Bible is an equation for life. Change any part of the equation and you make too many mistakes in life. As you study your commentaries and scan the concordances, be sure to recall the verses in the Bible that says God sends out strong delusions to fools to damn them.

 

[sr71plt]

OK, I'll "sort of" give you Proverbs 6:19. Not a specific person, though--more of behavior reaction--but yes worded as being a reaction toward the "one who would." Glad you spent a lot of time finding that one reference. I hope it did some good for you to actually read the Bible rather than assume what it says.

A couple of references in the Bible do not a point/trend make. It's a highly contradictory document (e.g., how did Judas die? What order were things created in in Gensis--given that many of the stories are given in two different versions in the Bible.) Find me lots of references to God hating individual human beings.

None of this makes you a Christian, though. Christianity is tied to the New Testament, not the Old Testament, and you yourself have posted here that the New Testament Christian certainly wouldn't be spewing off the hateful rot you have done on this thread.

If nonbelievers are left out of the equation, who were all those non-Jews Jesus was running around and helping?

But you're right about not reading all of your posts--like Amicus there's little worthwhile to be learned from your rambling rants.

 

[wmrs2]

Why did you come here in the first place? What are you still doing coming back? Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

No, I don't have anything better to do with my time. But at least I can fess up to the fact that I am indeed wasting my time.

We have actually given thought to what you ask. The reason we are here is because of the Gadfly in our nature. We like to poke fun of ignorance and make ignorance uncomfortable. Your testimony is a witness that we are having success. Sorry that you can not only have an agreeable audience to preach to, but gadflies must fly past a lot of cow dung to hit their targets.

 

[sr71plt]

We have actually given thought to what you ask. The reason we are here is because of the Gadfly in our nature. We like to poke fun of ignorance and make ignorance uncomfortable. Your testimony is a witness that we are having success. Sorry that you can not only have an agreeable audience to preach to, but gadflies must fly past a lot of cow dung to hit their targets.

Oh "we" all know why you are here. Who did you think you were fooling?

 

[Guest]

We have actually given thought to what you ask. The reason we are here is because of the Gadfly in our nature. We like to poke fun of ignorance and make ignorance uncomfortable. Your testimony is a witness that we are having success. Sorry that you can not only have an agreeable audience to preach to, but gadflies must fly past a lot of cow dung to hit their targets.

We?

We who?

Who on earth would listen to you? Or do you mean amicus?

Or is this the collective "we", like the Queen's "We are not amused."

It's horseshit, either way. Git your gadlies moving.

 

[wmrs2]

Simply saying "Science says so" is a faith-based statement that disregards the most basic principle of science discussion; Empiricism. Show your proofs, name your citations.

I have never seen you make a statement that defines any basis for your thought; "It is self-evident that..." is one of the most unscientific phrases in the English language.

We have named our proofs and our citations. You continue to ignore our evidence and keep saying "give me more." You keep laboring under strong delusions and will never be able to address our facts. Facts are not given to you to bring you safety but to damn you. Sorry, you don't see that yet. This is exactly why Atheist is such a negative term to most Americans.

 

[Stella_Omega]

...We like to poke fun of ignorance and make ignorance uncomfortable...

We here are all for self abuse, dear. And if you want to be uncomfortable, all the more power to you.

But, and I think I can say I'm speaking for a large majority here, we really think your ignorance needs medication, not poking.



(EtA)
Proofs? None. Citations? sr71plt gives you a mild okay on the single one you've produced

Personally, I agree with you-- in the first testament, god is described as a hater.

But he still doesn't exist, he's just a character in some old writing...

 

[amicus]

This is really quite amusing...the only reason the 'usual suspects', do not use the inclusive, 'we' in terminology is because they have no faith in each other.

They do, however, join together in anonymous celebration, to earmark their allegiance to a lack of faith; which is also amusing.

It boils down to two faiths battling it out here, wmrs2 versus the liberals and she is kicking your liberal ass all over the place!

Gimme more! Ah luvs it!

the adorable amicus...

 

[sr71plt]

We here are all for self abuse, dear. And if you want to be uncomfortable, all the more power to you.

But, and I think I can say I'm speaking for a large majority here, we really think your ignorance needs medication, not poking.



(EtA)
Proofs? None. Citations? sr71plt gives you a mild okay on the single one you've produced

Personally, I agree with you-- in the first testament, god is described as a hater.

But he still doesn't exist, he's just a character in some old writing...

I'm not particularly fond of the God depicted in the Old Testament either. But then, I'm not one to believe that God wrote any of this. People who were trying to come to grips with the unknown (and, to a great extent, the unknowable, I think) wrote it. They got better at writing a palatable God as they went along, but there are contradictions aplenty in the New Testament too. I go for the fundamental message under all those words and images and stories.

 

[sr71plt]

This is really quite amusing...the only reason the 'usual suspects', do not use the inclusive, 'we' in terminology is because they have no faith in each other.

No, we don't do it because we accept that there's no cookie cutter position among us--something reactionary ideologues like you can't come to grips with. Got to be a we/them hard line on everything for folks like you; especially when you are determined to play so far out in right field (which, happily, at the moment is known as "left-out" field).

 

[Stella_Omega]

No, we don't do it because we accept that there's no cookie cutter position among us--something reactionary ideologues like you can't come to grips with. Got to be a we/them hard line on everything for folks like you; especially when you are determined to play so far out in right field (which, happily, at the moment is known as "left-out" field).

These guys-- wmrs2, ami, DP-- seem to think that saying "I WIN!" means they've actually won...

...at the moment is known as "left-out" field...

Dude, that's just... so just!

 

[sr71plt]

These guys-- wmrs2, ami, DP-- seem to think that saying "I WIN!" means they've actually won...

...at the moment is known as "left-out" field...

Dude, that's just... so just!

As I've noted on the Scouries thread, I'm not at all dissatisfied that folks like this depict themselves as they do--and I'm perfectly happy to egg them on. It's the subtle ones who bother me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As I've noted on the Scouries thread, I'm not at all dissatisfied that folks like this depict themselves as they do--and I'm perfectly happy to egg them on. It's the subtle ones who bother me.

Subtle?

 

[jomar]

Is this still going on? Fuck it! C'mon, we're sorting volleyball teams in the gym!

 

[wmrs2]

OK, I'll "sort of" give you Proverbs 6:19. Not a specific person, though--more of behavior reaction--but yes worded as being a reaction toward the "one who would." Glad you spent a lot of time finding that one reference. I hope it did some good for you to actually read the Bible rather than assume what it says.

A couple of references in the Bible do not a point/trend make. It's a highly contradictory document (e.g., how did Judas die? What order were things created in in Gensis--given that many of the stories are given in two different versions in the Bible.) Find me lots of references to God hating individual human beings.

None of this makes you a Christian, though. Christianity is tied to the New Testament, not the Old Testament, and you yourself have posted here that the New Testament Christian certainly wouldn't be spewing off the hateful rot you have done on this thread.

If nonbelievers are left out of the equation, who were all those non-Jews Jesus was running around and helping?

But you're right about not reading all of your posts--like Amicus there's little worthwhile to be learned from your rambling rants.

My, my! How terrible it must be when a person is told that he flat out lies and he can not refute that statement! By the way, it only took us a few seconds to find countless numbers of Biblical citations where God's anger and hate was carried out on evil people who refused to acknowledge his existence. We have the entire Bible on PC and we were able to cite most of the Bible if need be to debunk your opinion of how God thinks about fools.

What hateful rot are you talking about? Christians do not throw out hateful rot. You hate us because we tell the truth. It is not what we think but what God says in the Bible about what he thinks about you that has you so upset. We Christians simply pass the word along.

If nonbelievers are left out of the equation, who were all those non-Jews Jesus was running around and helping?

This statement is as close to babble as possible. Your ignorance of the Bible is coming through again. First, can you find any non-Jews in the Bible that Jesus was running around with? We don't think so. The Apostle Paul was the first Christean to help the non-Jews, called gentiles, to discover and accept God and Christ.

The opinions you have about Christians and Christianity obviously originate from some slick-Willie liberal putting his spin on Christians to make them look ridicules. The trouble with you sr71plt is that you have not learned to think for yourself, which is self-evident from your screwed up version of what a Christian is. With your frame of mind you are not going to be able to understand the Bible;therefore, put up your books and go back to sleep.

If you think God is not going to nail your red ass to the cross for all the evil you have spewed out on this forum to confuse the people here, that is part of God's plan and delusion also. God is working against you, you must know this. You can continue to run with this pack of RABD if you like but you will pay in the end.

 

[wmrs2]

I'm not particularly fond of the God depicted in the Old Testament either. But then, I'm not one to believe that God wrote any of this. People who were trying to come to grips with the unknown (and, to a great extent, the unknowable, I think) wrote it. They got better at writing a palatable God as they went along, but there are contradictions aplenty in the New Testament too. I go for the fundamental message under all those words and images and stories.

We are now sure that you are a theological dumb ass. Tell us, who would be so stupid to commission you to write something about the Bible? You make broad statements that God is unknowable and that there is a fundamental message under all those words and images and stories. Even your liberal mind should be able to recognize the delusion in this statement. If God is unknowable, or if God does not exist, how could you be so dumb to claim or even think there was a message in the Bible for you?

How can you and your pack be writers when you can not even think? You better change the subject fast from the Bible to something else before the whole thread and forum realize you do not know shit about the Bible or God. One more thing, you claim to know so much about what a Christian is not, so please tell us what a Christian is in your point of view. Please do not use the Bible in your definition as you are already screwed up enough as it is in the Bible's interpretation.

 

[sr71plt]

These guys-- wmrs2, ami, DP-- seem to think that saying "I WIN!" means they've actually won...

...at the moment is known as "left-out" field...

Dude, that's just... so just!

See, you just wind them up and leave them foaming at the mouth and spending all that time writing crap you don't read.

 

[wmrs2]

As I've noted on the Scouries thread, I'm not at all dissatisfied that folks like this depict themselves as they do--and I'm perfectly happy to egg them on. It's the subtle ones who bother me.

It is a question of who is egging who on, is it? You swatted at the wrong fly. Your words do not convince anyone that you support your beliefs with facts when you refuse to present any examples that support your statements.

We have set traps for you several times and you and Stella have walked directly into these traps. Your reputation as authors is diminishing each time you argue your point of view from ignorance. Have you ever heard this before? "Here boy, here boy, fetch." You make my day every time you open your mouths to say something stupid that has no purpose, like this post.

 

[wmrs2]

Is this still going on? Fuck it! C'mon, we're sorting volleyball teams in the gym!

Jomar, we feel your pain. We have been trying to first have an intellectual conversation since becoming a member of this forum only a few days ago. But, it has been impossible to shake these trolls off our ass. The RABD force me to argue in the gutter with them. They travel from thread to threat picking a fight and calling names.

Actually, we enjoy their futility and they offer us many opportunities to preach our conservative gospel. In fact, they often volunteer for show and tell when examples of futility are missing. We do not pretend to be an intellectual but we are a noted Gadfly. Our mission is being accomplished and the RABD offer us the opportunity for success.

If we come to the gym, whose team will we be sorted to? WE would only reluctantly play with the RABD. They ddon't like us very much.

 

[Guest]

You are stupid. There is no We, except in your mind.

The long term members here are not trolls. You are, because of your ridiculous posting style and completely idiotic rants.

Most people read your posts and roll their eyes at your stupidity.

 

[slyc_willie]

You are stupid. There is no We, except in your mind.

The long term members here are not trolls. You are, because of your ridiculous posting style and completely idiotic rants.

Most people read your posts and roll their eyes at your stupidity.

And laugh. Can't forget that. And are reminded that we don't need a church or ministry to attest to our faith.

 

[Guest]

And laugh. Can't forget that. And are reminded that we don't need a church or ministry to attest to our faith.

Yep.

 

[amicus]

Oh, but the long term trolls here are trolls indeed, outside their own cluster.

Worse even than casual or ideological Trolls because they go to the story section and trash story after story if they disagree on this forum. Further, they beg the site owner to 'ban' an opposing opinion; go figure.

Gang up on a new comer that is anti abortion, anti gay, pro captialist, anti feminist? You bet ur sweet ass they are Trolls.

Self evidenced by the vicious manner in which they have attacked wmrs2, right from day one, gang bang and with all the filth that goes with it. You think you folks are invisible?

Gads...at least look in the damned mirror once a year or so!

amicus...

 

[slyc_willie]

I'm only going on the irrationality of recent posts. He/she/they try awfully hard to convince everyone how right they are. A typical evangelical attitude, one that is threatened when challenged.

But hey, this is free speech. And wmrs2 doesn't seem all that dissuaded.

 

[amicus]

I have followed wmrs2's posts and all the replies, since day one and it has been quite an evolution.

I at first suspected an ALT, and then a young person with very poor writing skills, but dedicated. I still wonder at an Evangelist choosing this location to confront contemporary moral standard bearers, hard to find a name they accept for themselves.

But, call them whatever ye may, the are as faith bound to their moral convictions as wmrs2 is to hers and the conflict between these two faiths is curious to observe.

I am pretty much on the sidelines here, as an atheist with an objective set of moral standards, but I did not expect the left to fold so quickly and adapt the slime and slur campaign they have.

True, wmrs2 is holding her own and in my opinion somewhat heads up as she at least has an identifiable source for her convictions and a faith to accompany it.

amicus...