Arrogance: The War

[Gilly Bean]

Over the last year and a half, people have experianced a high array of emotions, from fear, to shock, to anger, and more. Many people said, there won't be a war. I was one of them.

After conceeding that fact, many people said that even if there was a war, it wouldn't be long and drawn out, and it wouldn't hurt us. After all, we are America, home of the brave. I was one of them.

The war is happening, whether we want it or not, and I've noticed several types of people.

One group is all but loading their own personal ammo, ready to take on the world.

One group is scared and hiding in a basement with gallons of water, and duct tape.

One group is torn, do we fight, or play dead?

One group is arrogant: They don't think anything bad will happen, because we are America, home of the brave. I am no longer a part of this group.

There are more groups interwoven in this right now, but those are the majority.


Tonight, I went to the movies with my daughter, and missed Bush's speech. After the movie, we stopped at the dollar store, and browsed for a bit. The radio station they were listening to had songs playing that reminded me of 7th grade. The announcer wasn't saying anything in between, but it is my understanding now, that Bush had already addressed the nation.

The songs playing were the same ones my middle school played over the PA system on the day after Desert Storm was announced.

I've known for quite some time that the war was inevitable. I'm against it, but I understand the need. I just feel without a doubt that at some point during all of this, we will be hit, on our own soil, and against our own people.

This won't be a war fought on distant land, facing distant opponants. It will be seen here, up close, and felt by millions.

And still, people are arrogant enough to think we can't be hurt.

 

[Xander]

If there is one thing that 9/11 taught every country and everyone that ever though themselves untouchable.........No one is untouchable.

I agree with you Gilly. At some point during this part of the war will be fought on US soil. And on every allied soil there is.

Hussein is not gonna roll over like he did during the Gulf War.

The need to remove him from power cant be denied. He needs to go and stay gone. But it may come at a price some are not willing to pay.

 

[Frimost]

Well boo-hoo to you scaredy cats! I know I’m safe; I wrapped myself in Bubble-wrap. Nothing can hurt me now!

 

[Xander]

Well boo-hoo to you scaredy cats! I know I’m safe; I wrapped myself in Bubble-wrap. Nothing can hurt me now!

Well you're obviously not one of those willing to pay the price.

 

[Frimost]

Well you're obviously not one of those willing to pay the price.

Well, if it’s less than $9.99 I am

 

[sweetnpetite]

One group is arrogant

pride goeth before a fall.......



(I'm thinking I'll hide in some bubble wrap too)

 

[Lost Cause]

Take it as it comes.....

Don't scare everyone with a doomsday scenerio, take it slow and listen to the news.
My mom would tell me how helpless she felt during WW2, when Seattle would be blacked out over and over, due to unidentified airplanes approaching the west coast.
With all the stuff we Americans have endured in our short existence so far, this is a challenge, but not the end of it all.
Live your lives, keep your eyes and ears open, and have fun!

 

[The Plunger]

...at some point during all of this, we will be hit, on our own soil, and against our own people.

War or no war another attack on America's soil is inevidable. Taking a proactive approach and going out to address the threats is the answer. Sitting back, wavering in the face of tyrants and waffling over public opinion will get us nowhere but another attack regardless.

 

[Lost Cause]

Something to get you through the tension..

http://www.therustyshow.com/WOT2.html

 

[nicholasgreek]

For the last 2500 years people are fighting to eachother , the good against the bad.

Identifying the good is a matter of relative perception , while fighting the bad is always considered a must.

In our days another fight has been started about one and a half year ago . History will be the only one to judge the actions but the results will be tremendous.
Whatever group we select we will be hurt by one way or another , physically ,emotionally or even economically .

( Actually we have already been hurt !!!)

The blood is red for everyone , either you can see the bleeding or not.

But we do not forget who triggered it by killing innocent people and not being brave enough to accept the responsibilities of such a drama.

 

[TWB]

I do not believe the threat is there.

George Bush acts like a scardy cat.

 

[Star of Penumbra]

I do not believe the threat is there.

George Bush acts like a scardy cat.

He also talks like a moron and looks like a chimp.

Big deal, we go to war. We've had a war every 20 years.

I don't mean to be crass, it's just that nothing fazes me anymore.

 

[Somme]

...against a country that is what - half children?

 

[eagleyez]

follow the money


its oily and easy to trace...

 

[plasticman33]

It's not the war itself that concerns me, that should be direct and rapid. It's the post war clean up and trying to establish a democracy in an area where even the idea of a free society is alien. This will take a long time and a lot of our tax payers dollars!

 

[Somme]

Establish a democracy? By whom? They've never had one; I doubt they ever will. Should the USA establish this?. If so, it might be better if the USA decides to take democracy back into the hands of its own citizens and kick the present junta out of Washington! It'd do wonders for its' own credibility.

 

[plasticman33]

Establish a democracy? By whom? They've never had one; I doubt they ever will. Should the USA establish this?. If so, it might be better if the USA decides to take democracy back into the hands of its own citizens and kick the present junta out of Washington! It'd do wonders for its' own credibility.

Keyword was trying to. If you can comprehend english, I also stated, "In an area where even the idea of a free society is alien."

 

[patient1]

Over the last year and a half, people have experianced a high array of emotions, from fear, to shock, to anger, and more. Many people said, there won't be a war. I was one of them.

After conceeding that fact, many people said that even if there was a war, it wouldn't be long and drawn out, and it wouldn't hurt us. After all, we are America, home of the brave. I was one of them.

The war is happening, whether we want it or not, and I've noticed several types of people.

One group is all but loading their own personal ammo, ready to take on the world.

One group is scared and hiding in a basement with gallons of water, and duct tape.

One group is torn, do we fight, or play dead?

One group is arrogant: They don't think anything bad will happen, because we are America, home of the brave. I am no longer a part of this group.

There are more groups interwoven in this right now, but those are the majority.


Tonight, I went to the movies with my daughter, and missed Bush's speech. After the movie, we stopped at the dollar store, and browsed for a bit. The radio station they were listening to had songs playing that reminded me of 7th grade. The announcer wasn't saying anything in between, but it is my understanding now, that Bush had already addressed the nation.

The songs playing were the same ones my middle school played over the PA system on the day after Desert Storm was announced.

I've known for quite some time that the war was inevitable. I'm against it, but I understand the need. I just feel without a doubt that at some point during all of this, we will be hit, on our own soil, and against our own people.

This won't be a war fought on distant land, facing distant opponants. It will be seen here, up close, and felt by millions.

And still, people are arrogant enough to think we can't be hurt.

I listened to the presidential address, then I read it here. Later last night I read it aloud. I figure Saddam is the only guy who can stop things now, but I don't have any faith in him.

Today I put on my "until they all come home" pin, which I wore for Desert Storm.

For the duration my opinion is "I support the troops".

 

[Somme]

Keyword was trying to. If you can comprehend english, I also stated, "In an area where even the idea of a free society is alien."

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mr Ashcroft seems set on destroying the last shreds of 'democracy' in your own country. Perhaps it may be a case of 'physician heal thyself'?

 

[Somme]

...and here, a sodding viscious bump......

 

[Guest]

Well boo-hoo to you scaredy cats! I know I’m safe; I wrapped myself in Bubble-wrap. Nothing can hurt me now!

Smashing idea! I'll chew some bubble GUM and make sure I have all my duct tape at the ready!

 

[Lost Cause]

It's not arrogance, it's resolution...

When you face an enemy, you will hit and get hit. You must accept that reality when you attempt anything in life, it's not avoidance or arrogance. When you drive to the store there is a chance you may be maimed or killed in an accident, or killed in a robbery. You still go because it must be done or you'll starve.
In this present operation on a global scale, your enemy uses all types of deception to kill you, and a free society cannot stop all forms of their type of murder.
You must be informed, brave, and prepared for whatever comes. If you aren't, you leave a legacy of fear for those that come after us. We are putting the world on notice to clean up their filth, or we will do it for them. They will not help us, and I would trust very few countries to do so.
They proved themselves in the last campaign.

We must rid the world of this human garbage, so we can get on with advancing the human condition, unlike the societies that have bred this type of killer, and their social structure that has kept them in the 15th century for too long.

That's my observation, like it or not.
(Fear is also a form of communication)

 

[Somme]

Hmmm...a legacy of fear, more fear, lies and deceptions? That more violence and arrogance will beget more violence. What a fascinating concept for a world....<trailing off for the coffee>

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: It's not arrogance, it's resolution...

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We must rid the world of this human garbage, so we can get on with advancing the human condition, unlike the societies that have bred this type of killer, and their social structure that has kept them in the 15th century for too long.

Hi LC . . . great av . . . many people in both the East and West would consider that your definition is an exact description of the present Tx Fundamental Christian appointed regime controlling the White House.

Perhaps the U$ should "get on with advancing the human condition" of its own American citizens before they start interfering with other societies and imposing their unChristian values and life style on people who choose to have different religious beliefs.

Out here in the real world the double-talk by American politicians about

1. free trade, when the U$ market is one of the most subsidised and regulated in the world, and

2. democracy when the American electoral system is gerrymandered by party officials and minority races are disadvantaged by the enrolling system;

leaves a considerable amount to be desired. The American Dream is increasingly being perceived as a Gothic Nightmare.

Clean up America first, before you try to sell us the "American democratic model". Sadly there have been too many changes since the 18th century when the American Declaration of Independence inspired people in France, Australia and even Europe to establish their governments on the model proposed by Franklin and the other 25 "rebel" signatories.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Hey Don K and others...

1st off Don I do not think that anybody would deny that there are faults within the US government, but we are human and like other governments and people it is always easy to find problems that need to be tended to. With that said I a born citizen have to say I am still proud to be an American. I have had the luxury to travel to other countries and such and there is something about America and freedom. Living in NY I have met so many from other countries that have become citizens and this too only reinforces the belief that America has a lot to offer. I cannot pin point specifics of what I feel about America but I know it is just there.

Now on the initial topic.... let's recount where we are at almost three months after this thread was started. I am assumming that there is still fighting going on but more gear to those that that are involved with Sadam and Bin Ladin. US Troops as well as the Brits and Aussies are still there. Terrorist attacks seem to be happening "over there" and warning of such attacks on US soil. NY is on high alert over the last week.

So what have we accomplished? From the news it seems that people from Kuwaitt who were supressed are adjusting to their freedom by not knowing what to do. Still uncertainty there and with uncertaintity it can bring chaos. They are on a road of rebuilding what was destroyed and a government that will be beneficial for most. Some towns do not have running/drinkable water anymore with other basics for living and are demanding for help. Can you blame them?

I would love to say let's get all of our troops out and allow them to figure it out but it does not seem that simple. At the same time they are requesting that the US repair what was destroyed. In a way my feelings to us paying for the repairing is like this, When the people who are responsible for blowing up the World Trade Center pays and compensates those affected by it I would be willing to agree to help out. Then on the flip side my humanity gets the better of me. An abundance of mixed emotions on my part.

Well I am interested in others views and opinions.

Peace,
Tulip