Are you a conscientious objector?

[Never]

If so, against what?
What’s the difference between a conscientious objector, a rabble rouser, and the I-rebel-to-be-hip types?

Is your reaction to someone’s ‘objections’ based on their apparent sincerity or do you see everyone who objects as being part of the same group?

 

[Lost Cause]

I'm a CO......

To the general society, and it's herd mentality. It truly pains me to see people not thinking for themselves, and acting on emotion, not what is, which is 99% wrong. I belong in a different time.

 

[Scabbers]

No. Just don't care for firearms. Don't like 'em pointed at me, don't imagine the other fellah does either.

 

[Lost Cause]

I rest my case......

People that say catch phrases like, "For the Children" and bullshit like that. Those soundbites are a mask to the originator's agenda of depriving someone else of their freedoms. The present "sincere" C.O.s are just provided aid and comfort to our enemies, bolstering their morale, while lessing our troops resolve. Fucking Vietnam mentality all over again.

 

[Never]

Lost Cause, How do you object?
Scabbers, so you object to people owning guns?

 

[KillerMuffin]

A conscientious objector is someone who objects to their own participation in the war thing, but isn't really concerned about the war thing going on without them.

The rest of them are people who object on both the micro and macro level for whatever reason.

I don't particularly care whether people object--other than the ones in the military who start trying to figure out how to become a Quaker the minute their orders to go someplace hot are cut. They volunteered to be in the military for whatever reason. If there is some sort of conflict involving weapons and someone called "the enemy" it's an easy guess about who goes. Don't want to do that? Find some other way to get to college before you raise your right hand.

The rest of them, they can object all they like and as vocally as they like. I may not like it and I might fight over it with them, however it's not the fact that they're objecting for whatever reason that I have a problem with. It's whatever they're saying that's inflammatory.

Ghandi and King managed to object to a whole slew of things without picking a streetfight every time they went out. They're objectors, too.

Paid protestors are objectors, they're just on the job. They don't count and neither do their words.

 

[Scabbers]

Scabbers, so you object to people owning guns?

No, so long as they don't point them at me. Farmers seem to need them, foxes and all.

 

[Never]

Killer Muffin:
“A conscientious objector is someone who objects to their own participation in the war thing, but isn't really concerned about the war thing going on without them.”

That is one definition and certainly the traditional one; however, I have seen the phrase used when talking about other social issues as well.

KM:
“The rest of them, they can object all they like and as vocally as they like. I may not like it and I might fight over it with them, however it's not the fact that they're objecting for whatever reason that I have a problem with. It's whatever they're saying that's inflammatory.”

So you’re saying that you’re much more likely to react to how a person is spreading their message instead of the message itself?

 

[REDWAVE]

If so, against what?
What’s the difference between a conscientious objector, a rabble rouser, and the I-rebel-to-be-hip types?

Is your reaction to someone’s ‘objections’ based on their apparent sincerity or do you see everyone who objects as being part of the same group?

1. Yes.
2. Against war, racism, sexism, homophobia, police state repression, imperialism and capitalism.
3. "Rabble rouser" is a derogatory term used by the masters and their intellectual lackeys for those who seek to liberate the oppressed. Those who rebel just to be hip can never be counted upon in a fight.

4. Question unclear; clarify.

 

[modest mouse]

Hey Scabbers, how ya been?

 

[KillerMuffin]

Of course, Never. Fighting is more fun that way!

 

[RhumbRunner13]

"Ghandi and King managed to object to a whole slew of things without picking a streetfight every time they went out. They're objectors, too."


........and they did it very well within a society that holds free speech at the highest. How would they have done in Hitler's Germany, Iran, Iraq or North Korea?

Rhumb

 

[KillerMuffin]

Dunno, Rhumb. Have you asked Nelson Mandela yet? I believe he has relevent on-the-job objector experience in deadly political climes.

 

[REDWAVE]

Nelson Mandela

Nelson Mandela is a sell-out who presided for several years over the neo-apartheid regime, in which black politicians serve as the front men for the racist white South African ruling class, which still owns and controls most everything of value there.

 

[The Heretic]

I was when I was young and in my pacifist phase - and I still could be if I felt it was necessary (an unjust war).

I don't feel that any person should have to be a CO against any war; if a war is justified and supported by the populace, then there will be enough volunteers for the armed forces - if not, then not.