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"And to the folks back home, I'd like to say 'We are values-based & people-focused.'"

Media Training Now Required for Iraq-Bound Soldiers

Published: January 18, 2005 12:00 PM ET

NEW YORK As the U.S. military approaches nearly two years in the Iraq conflict, media training for soldiers going into the war zone has been stepped up, becoming mandatory for Army troops since October, E&P has learned.

"Talking point" cards for military personnel, meanwhile, are being updated regularly as the war progresses -- often as much as once a week -- to keep up with the conflict's changing issues and the proximity of embedded reporters. Among the current talking points: "We are a values-based, people-focused team that strives to uphold the dignity and respect of all."

:rolleyes:

Soldiers preparing for deployment in hostile or critical areas have received some kind of media training in handling press inquiries since as far back as the first Persian Gulf War, according to several military press officers. Such training has also included pocket cards with suggested talking points for the combatants, which advise them how best to promote the military operation and avoid awkward or confrontational interviews.

"As situations happen, you will have ever-changing talking points, as much as every week," said Capt. Jeff Landis, a Marine Corps public-affairs spokesman. "They are tailored to the situation."

The media training consists of one or two hours of briefings by public-affairs specialists from the Defense Information School at Fort Meade, Md. In the past, such training was provided only to those Army units who requested it, according to Sgt. Don Dees, an Army spokesman based at the Baghdad press center. But, since October, it has become a mandatory requirement for all deploying Army troops.

"The Army just recently made it a common soldier task; it is one of the requirements they go through," Dees said. "It is in our best interest to provide them that training."

While the Marine Corps has made such training a requirement for years, it has taken on more importance in recent months as well. "There is more heightened awareness with this particular conflict," Capt. Landis told E&P, referring to the Iraq operation. "It has taken a higher priority."

During training, soldiers are urged to speak with the press as a way of promoting the positive elements of the operation, but not to lie or speak about issues with which they are not familiar.

"It is a standard part of deployment preparation," said Lt. Col. Gerard Healy, an Army spokesman based at the Pentagon.

Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Department of Defense spokesman, compared it to any other basic training. "It is a common task, much like firing your rifle," he said. "It has emerged over the past 10 years as a necessary skill."

The News & Observer of Raleigh, N.C., noted this week that the first talking point in a slide show for troops at Fort Bragg was: "We are not an occupying force."

A list of "wallet-card" talking points given to a group of Marines heading to Iraq, obtained by that newspaper, included:

• The Marine Corps is trained, resourced, and ready to accomplish its missions. We are committed to the cause and will remain in Iraq as long as we are needed.
• The fight in Iraq is tough, but we will remain steadfast and not lose heart.
• We are moving forward together with the Iraqi government as partners in building a future for the sons and daughters of Iraq.
• Coalition forces will help our Iraqi partners as they build their new and independent country and take their rightful place in the world community.
• Our troopers and their families are our greatest and most treasured resource.
• The Corps is a national institution -- it has never failed to do the will of the American people.


In media training, meanwhile, soldiers are advised not to discuss classified information, to confine comments to their area of knowledge, and to stay on the record. Other advice includes talking to the interviewer, not the camera; avoiding acronyms, profanity, or a "no comment"; and not arguing or answering a question they do not want to answer.

But not everyone is supportive of the military's media preparation. Sig Christenson, president of Military Reporters and Editors, said most of the advice is good common sense, but he said some of the talking points could lead soldiers to misrepresent the situation or even lie.

Christenson, a military-affairs writer at the San Antonio Express-News, cited the talking point about the military units being "trained, resourced, and ready." "What if it is untrue?" he asked, pointing to the recent questioning of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld by a soldier about a lack of armored protection for vehicles. "If that isn't the truth, they should make it clear that the soldiers and Marines should say so."

He also objected to having soldiers always provide a positive outlook. "If they are being told to find a way to talk about the positive, they are not talking about facts," Christenson said. He also called the suggestion to avoid acronyms or profanity "public-relations silliness."

Capt. Landis responded to such criticism by defending the promotion of positive aspect, but stressing that no one was being asked to lie. "These are not for use for propaganda means," he told E&P. "They are the truth."
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Well. Thank goodness that instead of body armor, our soldiers are being given propaganda lessons. If they survive, they could get careers in television or politics. :rolleyes:
 
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shereads said:
A list of "wallet-card" talking points given to a group of Marines heading to Iraq, obtained by that newspaper, included:

• The Marine Corps is trained, resourced, and ready to accomplish its missions. We are committed to the cause and will remain in Iraq as long as we are needed.
• The fight in Iraq is tough, but we will remain steadfast and not lose heart.
• We are moving forward together with the Iraqi government as partners in building a future for the sons and daughters of Iraq.
• Coalition forces will help our Iraqi partners as they build their new and independent country and take their rightful place in the world community.
• Our troopers and their families are our greatest and most treasured resource.
• The Corps is a national institution -- it has never failed to do the will of the American people.

These are good talking points, but they don't sound very authentic. Maybe some of the writers could suggest new ones.

For example, instead of "We are not an occupying force," something like, "What happened to the flowers and parades and shit? These people f**king hate us."

I'm not sure what I'd do with, "We are a values-based, people-focused team." I'd have to know what it means first.
 
Kassiana said:
Well. Thank goodness that instead of body armor, our soldiers are being given propaganda lessons. If they survive, they could get careers in television or politics. :rolleyes:

I think this is a bloody good idea. The British Army is there 'winning hearts and minds' and this is the first step towards the US following our example. The British controlled areas are infinitely more peaceable than the US ones simply because the British soldiers have been made very aware of how they should appear.

The US have used brute force to quell insurgency and as such they're about as popular as Dick Cheney is on this board. The British have handed out propaganda leaflets, gone on patrols in berets instead of the intimidating helmets, approached the locals and got them working with us instead of the insurgents.

Hell, the first thing the Black Watch did when they moved North to cover the area around Fallujah was hand out propaganda in Arabic, affirming our intent to protect the ordinary people. "We are not invaders; we are here to help. Beware those who will come to you telling you that we must be thrown out. What have they done for you? Nothing except to take you sons and husbands away to be killed." Hell, they even made a big play out of being Scottish rather than British because of the stigma of Britain's association with the USA in the area.

Insurgents are normal, scared people. Anything like this that can calm them and convince them that we are here to help is a good idea.

More power to the US Army in my book.

The Earl
 
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shereads said:
These are good talking points, but they don't sound very authentic. Maybe some of the writers could suggest new ones.

For example, instead of "We are not an occupying force," something like, "What happened to the flowers and parades and shit? These people f**king hate us."

I'm not sure what I'd do with, "We are a values-based, people-focused team." I'd have to know what it means first.

And you'd prefer the US army to carry on with their highly successful policy of alienating every Iraqi man, woman and child and providing willing bodies for the terrorist suicide squads?

I'd say anything that can get you in good with the natives is a good idea, considering you have a choice between making them like you or killing the entire population.

The Earl
 
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shereads said:
I'd have to know what it means first.
skate-goat from the baconham palace
 
Re: "And to the folks back home, I'd like to say 'We are values-based & people-focuse

• Coalition forces will help our Iraqi partners as they build their new and independent country and take their rightful place in the world community.
• "My rightful place in the world community is Phoenix, Arizona. I look forward to going back there as soon as Iraq has a stable, democratically-elected, non-theocratic government with a military force capable of fending off an attack from Iran but guaranteed not to threaten U.S. interests in the Middle East."
• Our troopers and their families are our greatest and most treasured resource.
• "I hope to meet my son before he's old enough to be drafted."
 
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TheEarl said:
And you'd prefer the US army to carry on with their highly successful policy of alienating every Iraqi man, woman and child and providing willing bodies for the terrorist suicide squads?

Earl, this is about handling interviews with the press, not dealing with Iraqi citizens.

Edited to add: Seriously, do you think "we are values-focused" and "we are fully resourced" is intended to improve relations with the Iraqis? If you were an Iraqi would that make you feel better? This script exists for one purpose: prevent negative press coverage of the war over here, where support for the occupation is weakening. I don't kow where you got the idea that the Pentagon was suddenly taking an interest in how we deal with the locals.
 
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shereads said:
Earl, this is about handling interviews with the press, not dealing with Iraqi citizens.

And Al-Jazeera will never see any of the interview with the American press? This is about public perceptions and the Iraqi people who are teetering between living their normal lives and insurgency are part of that public.

The Earl
 
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TheEarl said:
And Al-Jazeera will never see any of the interview with the American press? This is about public perceptions and the Iraqi people who are teetering between living their normal lives and insurgency are part of that public.

The Earl

Good point. So you're an Iraqi father who's afraid to let his kids walk to school anymore, and your ego is still reeling from the prison photos of naked Muslim men being forced to cuddle, and you're not pleased with the turn your life has taken. Until you turn on the news and see a U.S. Marine saying, "We are not an occupying force," and you realize you've judged us harshly. Works for me.
 
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TheEarl said:
And you'd prefer the US army to carry on with their highly successful policy of alienating every Iraqi man, woman and child and providing willing bodies for the terrorist suicide squads?
Well of course I would.

Seriously, Earl, I don't think our public relations problem in Iraq has very much to do with poor presentation skills or the lack of snappy, upbeat answers to serious questions.
 
"Hey, G.I., any word on when this village will have electricity again? And toilets?"

"The U.S. Marines are values-focused and making every effort to uphold the dignity of all."

"That's good to know. Thank you."
 
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Earl, this is about lying to the American public and allocating resources for it, rather than actual salaries and body armor for our soldiers.

I'm against our soldiers being there at all, but if they're going to be, I think money needs to go for body armor and salaries to our troops, not lessons on how to lie to the U.S. media.
 
I don't see it as a lie to the US Media--I think that's an extreme and poorly substantiated claim. It's press-relations, and while we may wish that they got more guns or bombs or materiel or body armor instead of press-relations training... I can see the definite utility of having a cohesive face for the insane number of reporters and press representatives over there.

None of it is a fraud and if exposing our soldiers out there to creeds, codes, and possible responses helps just one infantryman better appreciate his place there--all the better.
 
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shereads said:
I'm not sure what I'd do with, "We are a values-based, people-focused team." I'd have to know what it means first.

Come on she, it's corporate speak. You know what that means:

values-based: we do what we do for our own best interests, but we'll tell you it's about freedom and liberty, with justice for all, under God.

people-focused: we put our best assets in the line of fire every day, yes we do, and without them we wouldn't be able to proactively instill our core values among others


We're taking a values-based approach to implement our strategic plan, but our funding limitations allow us to spend billions only on Halliburton contracts, so our people-focused team will have to do with less armor.
 
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Originally posted by LadyJeanne
Come on she, it's corporate speak. You know what that means:

values-based: we do what we do for our own best interests, but we'll tell you it's about freedom and liberty, with justice for all, under God.

people-focused: we put our best assets in the line of fire every day, yes we do, and without them we wouldn't be able to proactively instill our core values among others


We're taking a values-based approach to implement our strategic plan, but our funding limitations allow us to spend billions only on Halliburton contracts, so our people-focused team will have to do with less armor.

I offer the democratic response of:

Values-based -- centered and founded on basic human values like freedom, justice, equitability, and right actions

People-focused -- Acting with respect to acknowledgement of the value of the person, their right to liberty, happiness, and self-determination.
 
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Joe Wordsworth said:
I offer the democratic response of:

Values-based -- centered and founded on basic human values like freedom, justice, equitability, and right actions

People-focused -- Acting with respect to acknowledgement of the value of the person, their right to liberty, happiness, and self-determination.

I wish that applied to what we're doing in Iraq.
 
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Originally posted by LadyJeanne
I wish that applied to what we're doing in Iraq.

I think it may be, as best as it can.
 
Non-political response

It's Dilbert meets Catch-22.

I mean, look at it. You expect to see the PHB talk about "utilizing resources for quality management" as his own bombers attack the base.

Surrealism seems to be fighting a losing battle to be more out-there than reality.
 
Joe Wordsworth said:
I don't see it as a lie to the US Media--I think that's an extreme and poorly substantiated claim. It's press-relations, and while we may wish that they got more guns or bombs or materiel or body armor instead of press-relations training... I can see the definite utility of having a cohesive face for the insane number of reporters and press representatives over there.

None of it is a fraud and if exposing our soldiers out there to creeds, codes, and possible responses helps just one infantryman better appreciate his place there--all the better.

Absolutely. Who wants to hear candid speech from an infantryman, anyway.

Question: If we are not an occupying force, why is the first slide in the training program, "We are not an occupying force." Wouldn't the Marines know that already?
 
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Joe Wordsworth said:
I think it may be, as best as it can.

Pretty strong words, Joe. Are you sure you want to be bound to a commitment like that?
 
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Joe Wordsworth said:
I offer the democratic response of:

Values-based -- centered and founded on basic human values like freedom, justice, equitability, and right actions

People-focused -- Acting with respect to acknowledgement of the value of the person, their right to liberty, happiness, and self-determination.

In a democracy, centered and founded on basic human values like freedom, and acting with respect to the value of the person, you don't find it ironic that people are encouraged to memorize a government-approved list of opinions? Wouldn't the value of freedom and respect for the person be better promoted by trusting the individual to speak freely, within the bounds of military security, than by giving him a list of official truths?
 
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"Daddy, why do the Russians hate us?"

"Russians probably don't really hate us, they just don't know any better."

"Why?"

"They never hear the truth from their government. They only hear propaganda."

"What's propaganda?"

"Lies."

"Oh."

This has been the most duplicitous administration in memory. Who's our enemy? Oceana. Why? Weapons of mass destruction. Who's our friend? Oceana. Why? We want to give them the gift of democracy.

Democracy my ass. Hypocracy is more like it. The man gets up there on national television and lies to your face . . . and you keep going along with it. They torture, they steal, they kill.

Seemingly intelligent people keep defending these assholes. Hell, even voting for them. I give the fuck up.

I do have one question though. What has to happen? What do these assholes have to do for you not to support them? Honestly. I'd really like to know.
 
Couture said:
I do have one question though. What has to happen? What do these assholes have to do for you not to support them? Honestly. I'd really like to know.

"To lose this election I'd have to get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

~ The late Huey Long, multiple-term governor of Louisiana
 
You know what else is sad about the "talking points," other than that it removes the public one step further from the truth? It dehumanizes these young men and women. It diminishes the likelihood that we'll ever see another spontaneous moment like this one - which was wonderful, despite its context:

At the start of the first Gulf War, NBC did live interviews with pilots returning to their aircraft carrier. One kid - he looked like a kid, with his huge helmet and enormous grin - was still high as a kite from having flown his first real combat mission. He was beaming with pride. The reporter put the microphone in his face and asked him to describe the mission.

The kid talked about seeing anti-aircraft fire and said his first thought was,

Shit, man! We're dog meat!

:D

When they cut back to Brokaw he was grinning.

It was a beautiful moment. I wanted to celebrate with the kid. As anti-Gulf-war as I was and remain, for that instant I felt more positive about that bombing run than I ever would have if this young pilot had recited something from his official list of things to say.
 
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