America is not a good nation
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Probably should understand that the country is more than just the current moment.
Or you can just not do that
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And have the patience and fortitude to see it through! Yes!
But this didn't start with Trump. There is this right-wing nationalist-populist current in American politics. It manifested in the 1990s with Ross Perot and the Reform Party. (Arguably earlier, in the 1960s, with George Wallace and the American Independent Party.) In the Obama years it re-emerged as the Tea Party. And then Trump placed himself at its head. That’s why you don’t hear anything about the Tea Party any more – it IS the Trump movement.
That's what we need to chase under a rock.
I really like Adrina's post above.
America is a good nation. Always remember that.
And the majority of Americans are good people.
And, Always remember that there are some people who take America's goodness for granted and sadly, may not realize it until it's gone.
And there are, of course, people, individuals, who are truly morally corrupt and bad, who, in their warped minds, allow themselves to think they are doing good when they are not. This is how sociopaths work.
And it is up to us, the good Americans, who truly understand what it is that makes this country great, to stand up to these people, push back against them, whenever they rise up and try to claim a disproportionate amount of influence in their country. Silence them, shut them down, stand up for what we know to be truly good. This is the key.
America is a good nation. Always remember that.
And the majority of Americans are good people.
And, Always remember that there are some people who take America's goodness for granted and sadly, may not realize it until it's gone.
And there are, of course, people, individuals, who are truly morally corrupt and bad, who, in their warped minds, allow themselves to think they are doing good when they are not. This is how sociopaths work.
And it is up to us, the good Americans, who truly understand what it is that makes this country great, to stand up to these people, push back against them, whenever they rise up and try to claim a disproportionate amount of influence in their country. Silence them, shut them down, stand up for what we know to be truly good. This is the key.
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According to your views, I would be a problem. I believe that you should vote your concious. That what I fought for, freedom to choose without persecution. Yet you persecute every Trump vote as a bad person. I don't think all liberals are bad, maybe a bit misguided, but not bad.
According to your views, I would be a problem. I believe that you should vote your concious. That what I fought for, freedom to choose without persecution. Yet you persecute every Trump vote as a bad person. I don't think all liberals are bad, maybe a bit misguided, but not bad.
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Thank you, by the way.
I too still see America as a good country with way more good in it than evil.
It goes beyond "Democrat vs Republican." There are plenty of Republicans- even conservative ones- who are good people and who not okay with what is going on with the dark-sided politics exemplified by the current Republican party leadership. I personally know many such people.
I guess part of the reason I spend as much time on this forum as I do is, I see the bad proliferating and want to do whatever I can to chase it back under the rock.
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As Trotsky said, you cannot avoid fascism by crossing international boundaries.
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Fuck you
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Anyone who still supports trump is morally bankrupt and an imbecile. There is no debate, that's a fact.
To Trump and the Trumpers, "great" only ever seems to mean "white."We should make it great again.
I think you meant "conscience."
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Get the fuck out. You lack the balls to be an American.
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You can move to Mexico then. You putzes have probably never seen other countries dark side. If America is so crappy, why do we have 100k+ of illegal immigrants. Why do you think they are coming in droves. Once they get here do they go to Canada? No, is the answer. I have always said if you don't like it leave it. No one will stop you. Oh wait a minute, just don't go into another country illegally unless you want to face their judicial system. Not a pretty picture. So I guess i will go fuck myself Silly Philly. At least it will be more intelligent than your goofy ass verb sentence.
Do not be part of the problem.
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It goes way beyond that. Trump both embodies and encourages/validates all that is evil in the American national character -- greed, dishonesty, arrogance, racism, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia, American exceptionalism, religious bigotry, producerism, etc., etc. These things are simply bad, and there is no room for debate. And their is no room to debate their obvious presence and motivating importance among the redhats.
You can't dismiss the relevance and importance of all that by making an argument for supply-side economics, or anything on which differences of opinion might be reasonable and both sides at least arguable.
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Here’s the problem a lot of the people who are voting for Trump and championing him are old and won’t live long enough to see the after effects of an imbecile building his platform on bs.. the government was shut down during his 4 terms because despite his promising Mexico would pay for that wall they did not and he threw a tantrum… now he’s promising to take drinkable water from Canada that they’re holding hostage from Americans.
Expect another tantrum and shut down when he remembers he made that up too. He’s also expecting imports to the states will be cheaper because of a tariff even though thats a tax which would (according to all economists) make it more expensive for us.
Four years ago his current running mate was saying Trump was too old to be president and die in office, now he’s running as his vice president and repeating his words only because he thinks he’ll likely die of a heart attack in the next four years and he’ll replace him
as president.
The “Make America Great Again” movement is just people complaining about the state of the country, trying to place blame for bad decisions made on immigrants and women when most of the people making these decisions are made by white people. So the idea of them telling others to leave the country hillarious since these are the same people telling Native Americans to go back to their country while their own ancestors only got off the boat from likely Europe just a few generations ago.
The people who are being told to leave the country because they “hate it” (since they don’t like Trump) aren’t waving the flags of those who tried to defeat it (Confederate and Nazi) and they aren’t the ones trying to completely change it. Its the people trying to bulldoze everything, including facts, infrastructure and their own rights are the ones telling others to leave. Its irrelevant at this point what Trump says or does. He complained about inflation being down and they agreed with his frustration even though spending less money would make them richer. Why? Because he wanted applause. Republicans shoot at him and he talks about assassinating Democrats and then complains about Democratic rhetoric being dangerous. This is the guy who said he could shoot a random person and not lose a single of his voters. Sadly the Trump supporting people are proving him right.
Is America perfect? No, but nothing is. But that doesn’t mean we should burn it down either. Accept mistakes were made rather than revisionism so we can grow stronger as a people rather than playing the blame game and see which minority the wheel of misfortune lands on to point the finger at.
Expect another tantrum and shut down when he remembers he made that up too. He’s also expecting imports to the states will be cheaper because of a tariff even though thats a tax which would (according to all economists) make it more expensive for us.
Four years ago his current running mate was saying Trump was too old to be president and die in office, now he’s running as his vice president and repeating his words only because he thinks he’ll likely die of a heart attack in the next four years and he’ll replace him
as president.
The “Make America Great Again” movement is just people complaining about the state of the country, trying to place blame for bad decisions made on immigrants and women when most of the people making these decisions are made by white people. So the idea of them telling others to leave the country hillarious since these are the same people telling Native Americans to go back to their country while their own ancestors only got off the boat from likely Europe just a few generations ago.
The people who are being told to leave the country because they “hate it” (since they don’t like Trump) aren’t waving the flags of those who tried to defeat it (Confederate and Nazi) and they aren’t the ones trying to completely change it. Its the people trying to bulldoze everything, including facts, infrastructure and their own rights are the ones telling others to leave. Its irrelevant at this point what Trump says or does. He complained about inflation being down and they agreed with his frustration even though spending less money would make them richer. Why? Because he wanted applause. Republicans shoot at him and he talks about assassinating Democrats and then complains about Democratic rhetoric being dangerous. This is the guy who said he could shoot a random person and not lose a single of his voters. Sadly the Trump supporting people are proving him right.
Is America perfect? No, but nothing is. But that doesn’t mean we should burn it down either. Accept mistakes were made rather than revisionism so we can grow stronger as a people rather than playing the blame game and see which minority the wheel of misfortune lands on to point the finger at.
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but a key part of trump's plan for the future is embodied by NOT allowing people to choose without persecution... abortion rights, right? He has openly stated that he feels women should be punished for having an abortion
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That is a fair point. But, overturning Roe v Wade only gave the power back to the states for the state voters to decide on reproductive rights. Some states voted to uphold the woman's right to choose, others sadly will prosecute. There have been statements made that, if elected, Trump would support a bill for a national ban on abortion. That's simply not true, he can't overturn the courts decision. Republicans have been trying to get Roe v Wade overturned since it was ruled upon. Trump finally got it done.
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