America Has Foreign Policy Geniuses in the White House

[lavender]

 

[lavender]

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Good job Lavy

And to that I'll add that not only did ashcroft (or was it ridge) lose in the last election, he lost to a dead man

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Sorry. This thread title is bad. It should have read:

America Has Foreign Policy "Geniuses" with Political Power.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Good job Lavy

And to that I'll add that not only did ashcroft (or was it ridge) lose in the last election, he lost to a dead man

Pokemon master Ash

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Pokemon master Ash

merci spin

 

[kotori]

Yeah, Ashecroft lost to a dead man, Bush lost to a wooden one, but we still got stuck with them. Rumsfeld, Christalmighty, goes back to the Saturday Night Masacre. What a fucking dinosaur. The whole bunch of 'em make me nervous.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Yeah, Ashecroft lost to a dead man, Bush lost to a wooden one, but we still got stuck with them. Rumsfeld, Christalmighty, goes back to the Saturday Night Masacre. What a fucking dinosaur. The whole bunch of 'em make me nervous.

to quote robin williams

"did you ever notice how bush never speaks when cheney's drinking water? check that shit out!"

 

[kotori]

That's funny, D_N. New Yorker, eh? I'm an old Jersey City man, myself, but I worked all over downtown, years ago. 100 Church, 2 Rector, 19 Rector, 21 West, WTC1. I miss it.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

That's funny, D_N. New Yorker, eh? I'm an old Jersey City man, myself, but I worked all over downtown, years ago. 100 Church, 2 Rector, 19 Rector, 21 West, WTC1. I miss it.

not to plug my own thread...but there's a litogether here in teh city on 10/26 if you want to come. PM me if you're interested..I've gotta get some sleep

 

[70/30]

Rove and Card are attention hungry enough to admit they are pushing the Iraq issue so forcibly now because, "august isn't a good time for new products." Better to use Sept11, Congress tying up the session, and the upcoming election to get what they want. The executive office in the past at least had plausible deniability. Genuises.

 

[teddybear4play]

From "The Wrong and Right Side of History" by Marty Jezer
It not only ignores the United Nations and disparages our allies, but it insists on the right to attack any government that, for the moment, challenges our political dominance and disagrees with our economic priorities.

The stupidity in this solitary statement shoots all his salient points — and there were some — straight to shit.

Originally posted by deliciously_naughty
And to that I'll add that not only did ashcroft (or was it ridge) lose in the last election, he lost to a dead man

It was Ashcroft. And he would have won if the dead man's wife didn't run in his place. She got sympathy votes. (There were also enough "irregularities" in the election that some diehards were suggesting Ashcroft challenge the election, or even the premise that a dead man's widow can run for his political office. Ashcroft refused and accepted defeat.)

Originally posted by 70/30
Rove and Card are attention hungry enough to admit they are pushing the Iraq issue so forcibly now because, "august isn't a good time for new products." Better to use Sept11, Congress tying up the session, and the upcoming election to get what they want. The executive office in the past at least had plausible deniability. Genuises.

And if they'd waited until after the election to push for invading Iraq, you'd be bitching because they would be doing it without any semblance of an electoral mandate.

TB4p

 

[70/30]

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And if they'd waited until after the election to push for invading Iraq, you'd be bitching because they would be doing it without any semblance of an electoral mandate.

TB4p

I'm actually for action against Iraq, put me in whatever camp Biden decides to be in. What I was referring to is the plausible deniability part. Card and Rove are GWB's rasputins, they don't need to be making public statements of that sort.

 

[TWB]

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It was Ashcroft. And he would have won if the dead man's wife didn't run in his place. She got sympathy votes. (There were also enough "irregularities" in the election that some diehards were suggesting Ashcroft challenge the election, or even the premise that a dead man's widow can run for his political office. Ashcroft refused and accepted defeat.)
TB4p [/B]

I disagree with this statement (as well as others). She may have got sympathy votes but Ashcroft was not a shoo in. As to the "irregularities", well, you know what that sounds like.

 

[70/30]

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I disagree with this statement (as well as others). She may have got sympathy votes but Ashcroft was not a shoo in. As to the "irregularities", well, you know what that sounds like.

Thanks for bringing that up, really. I didn't know much about Ashcroft Nov 2000, so initially had a similar outlook on it as Teddy. He definitely wasn't a shoo-in for senator or ATTY GNL. Thankfully he was muzzled up at his news conference Friday, at least he is starting to get the picture.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Conservatives stand for prudence, caution, and respect for tradition and history. The Bush Administration is anything but conservative. With little debate and no justification, it has overturned a fifty-year tradition of seeking allies and building coalitions in support of foreign policy.

Why do so many liberals fall for mischaracterizations of this nature? Yes, the US has led the way in such organizations as NATO and SEATO and built a very good coalition for Desert Storm. However, our national policy has been constant since the end of WWII in that we reserve the right to protect our nation unilaterally and if necessary, preemptively.

Kennedy's speech in October of '62 was NOT "we are going to petition the UN for sanctions against Cuba to remove those missles, and if Cuba fires one at anybody we will ask the UN for the right to form a coalition to protect ourselves".

It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the western hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union.

Pretty clear.

Rhumb

 

[TWB]

That is so silly I am rolling on the floor.

Kennedy's statement was one of deterrence:

If Cuba fires, we fire on USSR, because they are acting in concert. There was no need for a UN resolution if we were attacked by a Russian nuke from Cuba.

We are talking about hitting Iraq before it strikes.

 

[70/30]

They have Powell spitting that stuff too, prolly where Rhumb got it. It was an infraction on the high seas and it violated an existing regional accord. Not a unilateral attack disregarding the UN.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

That is so silly I am rolling on the floor.

Kennedy's statement was one of deterrence:

If Cuba fires, we fire on USSR, because they are acting in concert. There was no need for a UN resolution if we were attacked by a Russian nuke from Cuba.

We are talking about hitting Iraq before it strikes.

TWB, we are talking about ending a cease fire in place because Saddam has repeatedly broken the conditions of that cease fire.

I was not addressing the Iraqi situation, I was addressing the policies of our nation since the end of WWII.

Get off the floor, you're getting your jammies dirty.

Rhumb

 

[70/30]

Fine but Cuba doesn't fit into your postWW2 American foreign policy precedents.

 

[teddybear4play]

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I disagree with this statement (as well as others). She may have got sympathy votes but Ashcroft was not a shoo in. As to the "irregularities", well, you know what that sounds like.

I stand corrected. It was pretty much a dead heat between Ashcroft and the late Mel Carnahan. But people say "Ashcroft lost to a dead man" like the Democrats in Missouri willingly ran a corpse against Ashcroft in the election and the corpse won. It wasn't like that at all.

That is so silly I am rolling on the floor.

Kennedy's statement was one of deterrence:

If Cuba fires, we fire on USSR, because they are acting in concert. There was no need for a UN resolution if we were attacked by a Russian nuke from Cuba.

We are talking about hitting Iraq before it strikes.

Well, unless you consider that Kennedy mentioned anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, meaning specifically our allies and our sphere of influence. Hussein has already attacked those.

And he was also countering the notion that we need to work in harmony with the U.N. for anything more controversial than scratching our ass.

TB4p

 

[NightFlier]

Lets face it, Americas' foreign policy has been based on what was in Americas' best interest(or at least what the powers that be at the time felt was in Americas' best interest). Regardless of the possible consequences. We have supported dictators, even helped to overthrow democratically elected governments, because the elected government was not agreeable to U.S. intersts. We created Manuel Noriega and then had to remove him from power when he became an embarassment to us. We supported Saddam Hussein as long as he was fucking with Iran. Did you here a single word of protest from the U.S. govt. when he used chemical weapons against Iran. No. And of course Iran would probably not have become our enemy if we hadn't supported a brutal dictator in their country. Early in 2001 the Bush(I prefer Shrub) regime gave $40,000,000 to the Taliban to help fight the war on drugs. I sure don't recall there being an opium shortage as a result of his little gift to the Taliban. But I'll bet that money paid for a lot of the weapons that were used against our troops in Afghanistan. Shrub should be charged with lending aid and comfort to the enemy. That $40,000,000 probably did more for them than John Walker ever did. And for all our bombing and fighting in Afghanistan all we have to show for it is a powerless govt.i n a country ruled by regional warlords. Isn't that the situation that led to the Taliban in the first place? Before we bomb another country into rubble, maybe we should try cleaning up, or should I say atoning for, some of the messes we've already made. That's why I support the idea of a Shrub vs. Saddam duel. If we're lucky they'll kill each other.

 

[TWB]

TWB, we are talking about ending a cease fire in place because Saddam has repeatedly broken the conditions of that cease fire.

I was not addressing the Iraqi situation, I was addressing the policies of our nation since the end of WWII.

Get off the floor, you're getting your jammies dirty.

Rhumb

The Iraqi policy, (aka the Strangelove Doctrine) is a shoot first ask questions later policy. I am saying it is a general departure from our policies since WWII.

I keep a pretty clean floor for just such occasions.

 

[TWB]

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I stand corrected. It was pretty much a dead heat between Ashcroft and the late Mel Carnahan. But people say "Ashcroft lost to a dead man" like the Democrats in Missouri willingly ran a corpse against Ashcroft in the election and the corpse won. It wasn't like that at all.

Well, unless you consider that Kennedy mentioned anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, meaning specifically our allies and our sphere of influence. Hussein has already attacked those.
TB4p

Who has Hussein attacked in the Western Hemisphere?

 

[SINthysist]

The United States.

What you cannot and will not see is that Saddam may walk, talk, and act like his own man, but he is a proxy like Iran and North Korea for the Sino-Russo axis.

We have done a lot of jumping up and down about winning the cold war and have done what we can to SPEND THE PEACE DIVIDEND, but the truth of the matter is, the Soviets are still in power, the Chinese have never lost power and they are still arming themselves to the teeth to FIGHT US, not Europe, not Australia, US, the United States. With us out of the picture, they have free reign to do as they damn well please.

I prefer that type of genius to the type of genius that uses the Commerce Department to circumvent the Defense and State departments to sell the supercomputers and missile technology to China to develop their nuclear program, who then promptly announced that they were going to use missiles on our west coast cities…

It seems you are working VERY hard to turn Ashcroft into Newt. It’s not working. Hillary and the Hanoi Janes have had a big impact on America and America is slowly turning against the Liberal world viewpoint so succinctly stated by that genius spokesperson for the Dems, Rodney King, “C-C-C-C-an’t we all just get along?”

These people are COUNTING and DEPENDING on 5th column traitors like lavendar who time and time again has professed her belief in the one world governmental system and the absolute evil and tyranny of our own system. She is the female equivalent of REDWAVE…