All women are Doms and all men are Subs (and vice-versa)

[boyvenus4u]

What I suppose we are looking at is unrealised potential. I see so much of it around me. Particularly in women, simply because I pay more attention to them. There are so many potentially great fucking Doms out there but they just don't seem to realise it... So I love planting little seeds...peppering conversation with little inuendo...o, nothing too rough... it's in their nature anyway, the majority...

I have a theory about that...must be all that time they spent playing with those dolls and tea sets way back when...did you ever notice where your action man was when they were pouring out the tea? All those introspective looks...at six, man! Jesus, you don't stand a chance, do you? There you are innocently going about riding your bicycle, trying to get to grips with the stabilisers, and those little control freaks are camped out in your backyard planning how to manipulate and out manouver your every move . Sheeit!

 

[BeachGurl2]

What I suppose we are looking at is unrealised potential. I see so much of it around me. Particularly in women, simply because I pay more attention to them. There are so many potentially great fucking Doms out there but they just don't seem to realise it... So I love planting little seeds...peppering conversation with little inuendo...o, nothing too rough... it's in their nature anyway, the majority...

I have a theory about that...must be all that time they spent playing with those dolls and tea sets way back when...did you ever notice where your action man was when they were pouring out the tea? All those introspective looks...at six, man! Jesus, you don't stand a chance, do you? There you are innocently going about riding your bicycle, trying to get to grips with the stabilisers, and those little control freaks are camped out in your backyard planning how to manipulate and out manouver your every move . Sheeit!

I come from a very matriarchal Southern family, so there is a part of me that would have to agree on some level. I know that in my very large extended family, the women tend to run things. However, that said, I don't think it's quite the way that you're envisioning things. Yes, I know how to make a house run like clockwork. I am fantastic at being an alpha at work. And of course, I know the value of a little manipulation. So sure, there probably are some very Domme traits in me, like in most well bred Southern women. BUT - I don't want a man who will let me manipulate him. Plain and simple.

 

[Netzach]

Actually every time I run into this I declare sexist bullshit.

It's the same bullshit as "all women are subs" but now we're the Whore with the Vagina Dentata instead of Virgins.

 

[Netzach]

Believe me I play this way.
Believe me there's not a man I haven't warped to my will with my sexuality, as a bottom too.
But don't you think that's because I want to?

 

[boyvenus4u]

thanks for getting back to me on this one Beachgirl...

I didn't come half close to explaining myself on this one, so you are indeed right to have reservations about what I say...But if you have a bit of time to pop in agin this way and comment on my ammendments to the above I would be really grateful...

My old brain's a slow motor...takes me a while to get going...that's why I tend to ramble on a bit... like some old engine...need to let her tick over a while...now, let me see...(taking her out now onto the open road, here we go...)

Everything I say here I say based on my own personal experience...

I think women, in general, invest more in the environment around them...that is Life, in general... and because of their particular capacity to give birth to life...I think that it is very fair to say that the way they come at relationships is very different to how say a man will come at them...They have an added edge as it were...they are much more prone to see weakness, for example, weakness in all its forms (I'm not just talking physically )...I think this is an ability which is genetic, or hardwired into you Beachgirl... so the gaze that falls on the man say is a lot more all encompassing than say the gaze that falls on the woman...not denying the fact that there are, I am sure men who also look upon women in this way.... but not in the same way...

Let me just illustrate this point with some pretty straightforward statistics, which I don't think too many people are going to deny...For example, it is a fact that when hetrosexual couples split up in the majority of cases it is the woman, and not the man who walks away... And it is also a statistical fact that it takes the man longer to get over the breakup...which would make sense...for before she's already out the door....he's half forgotten already....

This is just one example to show how women are so much better equipped at survival than men...Thus making them, in many respects, to some degree superior....

Before I continue any further Beachgirl, would you agree with what I've proposed so far?

If anyone else cares to join in, please do. I'm going to need all the help I can get on this one.

 

[boyvenus4u]

Netzach, you just posted before me...

I don't quite follow you. More than two/three lines please! RAMBLE woman, get it off your chest. Come on, talk to me!

 

[graceanne]

Really?

Betticus! Get over here and gimme a foot rub.

 

[Netzach]

I'm not pissed off, I'm just calling BS where I find BS.

When you only have a hammer the whole world looks like a nail. Men are always seeing "natural submissiveness" or "natural Dominance" in women when it's what they want to see. I've been having coffee with Doms who want a piece of me who keep telling me how I give such sweetly submissive signals in the way I drop my eyes or hold my fork. Men I've had coffee with who are subs tell me what wonderful natural confidence I have, how it's so clear I like control.

My point is that nobody knows the really relevant parts of me, when it comes to BDSM, and the bedroom, other than who I choose to share those with. The woman I am at home and the woman I am in the public sphere are totally different in some ways. Men have always been acknowledged as having complex and contadictory lives.

 

[Netzach]

Additionally I know women who were devastated DEVASTATED when the men in theor lives walked off with hardly a word or a thought, and a good number of them. I don't think any sex is better at relationship armageddon.

 

[boyvenus4u]

Bs or Bs, that is the question? (For Netzach)

When you only have a hammer the whole world looks like a nail?

So that's why I'm always banging my thumb!

Now, the next thing... Men are always seeking 'natural submissives' or 'natural dominants'...

I would dispute that Net. What about equality, 50/50. One day she's on top, the next day it's him...Sounds more like what most guys I know, or have known for that matter, are looking for. And women too for that matter. Personally, I would get a pain in my ass, and no doubt literally, if I was with a Dom all the time. And of course the opposite would also be true. Again , I am pretty sure that most guys, and gals, would agree with me here.

You see we're getting back to that hammer again here, are'nt we...concerning your own experience. Dom's and subs mutually projecting their own desires on to you...this being by your own admisssion your own personal experience...

and here you have hit the nail right on the head Net...excuse the pun...

The people you are alluding to above (and this is strictly how this lil' ol' hammer here sees it, bien entendu) have no more interest in you as a woman but rather as a performing 'piece', who will somehow enact out their own very specific sexual 'stagings', acts etc...as opposed to taking your own personal desires into the equation in the first place...it seems to me, that they could be looking at anybody...quite frankly, not exactly very appealing... sounds almost masturbatory, if you ask me...it's all mental..tout est deja prevu en avance...sorry, but it sounds so much nicer in french...Everything is set out, in advance...

If this is what you are used to experiencing around you Net...Jesus, I can see why you would have reason to be pissed off...Frankly you'd be forgiven for taking the god damn hammer and taking it to a few heads...I jest of course...

Now that's BULLSHIT...on this I think we are agreed.

Are you trying to say to me Net that this is what you thought I was condoning? Jesus, I must be an even crappier writer than I thought I was, if that's the case.

Anyway, i can assure you it's not. But more about that later. I just want to make sure first that I've answered all your points...

As for YOU personally Netzach...as I have never encountered you for one moment in my lifetime, I would never dare to presume what sort of a person you are, either in or out of the bedroom... Why, that would be merely preposterous on my part...

Did I make some sort of suggestion to the contrary? I don't think so...

As for men having complex and contradictory lives... what can I say, yes I admit, I 'm a diehard Woody Allen fan. How did you guess?

And as for those poor women who were dumped without a word...jesus, that's callous...has me thinking of that Sex and the City episode when someone gets dumped with a post it! Fuck...there really are some shitheels out there, I guess...

Again, looks like we're agreed there.

finally, concerning 'relationship armeggedon'... ok, i got my statistics from Cosmo... what can I say...the lavatory press, it's a wonderful thing, No?

Nice chattin' with you Netzach...Ouch, my thumb! There goes that pesky hammer again.

 

[boyvenus4u]

Graceanne...

Thank's for dropping in...how's that foot? (chuckles)

 

[BeachGurl2]

Before I continue any further Beachgirl, would you agree with what I've proposed so far?

I plan to come back and join the discussion, but haven't really had the time this week. I do have more to say, but it will have to wait another day or so. Interesting discussion thus far.

 

[John Doe]

Never speak in absolutes...

Except that one.