"All men pay for sex"...

[evesdream]

Geek chicks don't tend to charge for sex, they enjoy it as much as any guy does...

For heaven's sake. Someone can enjoy sex and still charge for it.
You can be a geek chick with high class wrapping. Well, not YOU, (I hope), but you know what I mean.

Where are the geek chick agencies?

I think geek chicks are usually independents, not agency girls.

 

[bg23]

Do you see compliments and backrubs as some sort of "payment", or is it something that a loving partner just wants to do?

Is petting a kitten payment?

What about giving a child a hug?

I have to disagree that any of these things are methods of payment.

We've been trained to think that all everything in this world is a good or service, including sex, and I have to disagree with that basic premise.

I don't consider it payment in the sense that I don't write up a receipt for it each time he does it.

But would I be in the relationship if it didn't result in my getting the things I wanted or needed? And would I, then, reciprocate with the things that he wanted or needed?

Of course not. For me to have what I want - love, affection, sex and candy, I have to give him what he wants - love, sex, some level of monogamy. It's not a "sale" but it's most certainly a bartering system.

We each exchange things we have for things we need. I don't have to "buy" from him, specifically, lots of people could give me backrubs and compliments, but I choose to buy from him because I like his products and services. It doesn't change the fact that if at some point he stops giving me the stuff I want I'm going to take my business elsewhere.

Obviously this is a very esoteric discussion - this isn't the way I approach my relationships in practice, nor in ideology really - I like the romance and the idea of unconditional love and sacrifice. I disagree with your assertion that we're trained that everything is a good or service, rather I was raised to believe that sex was a sacred magical gift shared only between people joined in holy matrimony - I've only just recently come to acknowledge the alternative perspective that for many people, goods and services exist in lots of different forms.

 

[bg23]

For heaven's sake. Someone can enjoy sex and still charge for it.
You can be a geek chick with high class wrapping. Well, not YOU, (I hope), but you know what I mean.



I think geek chicks are usually independents, not agency girls.

I've read that a fair number of women in the escort business, especially at the higher end of things, actually quite enjoy their work.

I envy those bitches.

 

[SweetestThing]

Somewhere, JS Mill has the hard on to end all hard ons.

 

[Riles]

Do you see compliments and backrubs as some sort of "payment", or is it something that a loving partner just wants to do?

Is petting a kitten payment?

What about giving a child a hug?

I have to disagree that any of these things are methods of payment.

We've been trained to think that all everything in this world is a good or service, including sex, and I have to disagree with that basic premise.

You're reading it in the wrong way. Take that backrub... even if it's something you WANT to do, without the need of a reciprocating gesture at that moment, if your partner never returned the affection in some manner, you wouldn't be together for long. Unless of course you like being a doormat.

Give and take, take and give, it's all got some kind of value to it, and we all expect a fair return.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Back to back to back backside avs. Sweet

 

[thør]

Back to back to back backside avs. Sweet

And it didn't cost your PayPal account a penny.

 

[richard_daily]

For heaven's sake. Someone can enjoy sex and still charge for it.
You can be a geek chick with high class wrapping. Well, not YOU, (I hope), but you know what I mean.



I think geek chicks are usually independents, not agency girls.

That's why I said "tend to".

And I know a few geek chicks with high class wrappings... and a few who have been sex workers too.

I have heard a lot of stories about guys who pay to have car exhaust blown in their face, be called names, have their nuts stepped on, etc etc...

 

[richard_daily]

You're reading it in the wrong way. Take that backrub... even if it's something you WANT to do, without the need of a reciprocating gesture at that moment, if your partner never returned the affection in some manner, you wouldn't be together for long. Unless of course you like being a doormat.

Give and take, take and give, it's all got some kind of value to it, and we all expect a fair return.

So basically, you reduce everything in life to a good or service. That's the part I take issue with.

An act of love or affection; how much of a dollar sign would you like to place on that?

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

I was asking in all honesty, and not attempting to use it as a critique. I was curious about how it went.


I actually like that you're honest and open about it.

It's not my style, but it seems to work for you, and I doubt that you'd have trouble finding a date otherwise.

That said, my naughtiest fantasies have been fulfilled many times over, trust me.

Sorry if I misjudged your intent Richard. Being the GB I figured you were baiting me.


It was an actual date. I have a poly-amorous relationship with a group. Some would call it swinging but it is not. We have a rule about frequency of fucking so there is less chance of getting emotionally attached.

Those on flight crews are frequently away so cheating is going to happen. I have lost count of the "loyal" flight attendants I have fucked. Some couples come to the realization that they love each other but have physical needs that need to be fulfilled. So instead of cheating our little exclusive club came into being. Ever since i been divorced I have been in polys. With my lifestyle it seems to work best.

The date in question is a pretty woman but not gorgeous as in a Berekleygirl but nothing a man would be ashamed of being seen with. Being in a Muslim land we must be careful. I took her to dinner but by all outward appearance it would look to outsiders as two friends.

Dubai is the most socially progressive Muslim land out of them all but there are limits. There are not separate rules for non-Muslims. What I do behind closed doors is my business but if I am to "affectionate" with another mans wife in public it can land me in jail and deported and of course fired. This is why I usually dine at the hotels. They cater to tourist and employees generally turn a blind eye but even then with limits.

The dinner was excellent. I enjoy fine dinning. Since I have fucked her many times before there was no seduction. She likes it rough and degrading. She likes getting choked which I'm not fond of doing. My nightmare is that I strangle her so I make sure I dont have a hold of her throat when I orgasm. She has long blonde hair that i kept wrapped around my fist which gets her off. I sent her home battered, bruised and satisfied. Anybody not knowing her would think she got her ass kicked and raped.

Women like her I always tape our session to protect me from allegations later. I really hate doing that but in 2000 it saved my ass. I had a girl accuse me of date rape and she was already talking civil suit. When my attorney showed the detectives and her attorney the video of her begging to get slapped and fucked harder her attorney told her not to say another word as they retreated. The detectives asked for a copy for their "records".

I know many would condemn me for taping but it is not done out of perversion but out of a necessary protection. I owe nothing and part of my employment contract everything but food is paid for by the company so i have money to burn so to speak. This makes me a whale to some lying unscrupulous cunt like I met in 2000. So I always tape rough sex.

 

[evesdream]

That's why I said "tend to".

And I know a few geek chicks with high class wrappings... and a few who have been sex workers too.

I have heard a lot of stories about guys who pay to have car exhaust blown in their face, be called names, have their nuts stepped on, etc etc...

We should have drinks sometime and swap lurid tales. You always seem to have good ones hidden away.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Sorry if I misjudged your intent Richard. Being the GB I figured you were baiting me.


It was an actual date. I have a poly-amorous relationship with a group. Some would call it swinging but it is not. We have a rule about frequency of fucking so there is less chance of getting emotionally attached.

Those on flight crews are frequently away so cheating is going to happen. I have lost count of the "loyal" flight attendants I have fucked. Some couples come to the realization that they love each other but have physical needs that need to be fulfilled. So instead of cheating our little exclusive club came into being. Ever since i been divorced I have been in polys. With my lifestyle it seems to work best.

The date in question is a pretty woman but not gorgeous as in a Berekleygirl but nothing a man would be ashamed of being seen with. Being in a Muslim land we must be careful. I took her to dinner but by all outward appearance it would look to outsiders as two friends.

Dubai is the most socially progressive Muslim land out of them all but there are limits. There are not separate rules for non-Muslims. What I do behind closed doors is my business but if I am to "affectionate" with another mans wife in public it can land me in jail and deported and of course fired. This is why I usually dine at the hotels. They cater to tourist and employees generally turn a blind eye but even then with limits.

The dinner was excellent. I enjoy fine dinning. Since I have fucked her many times before there was no seduction. She likes it rough and degrading. She likes getting choked which I'm not fond of doing. My nightmare is that I strangle her so I make sure I dont have a hold of her throat when I orgasm. She has long blonde hair that i kept wrapped around my fist which gets her off. I sent her home battered, bruised and satisfied. Anybody not knowing her would think she got her ass kicked and raped.

Women like her I always tape our session to protect me from allegations later. I really hate doing that but in 2000 it saved my ass. I had a girl accuse me of date rape and she was already talking civil suit. When my attorney showed the detectives and her attorney the video of her begging to get slapped and fucked harder her attorney told her not to say another word as they retreated. The detectives asked for a copy for their "records".

I know many would condemn me for taping but it is not done out of perversion but out of a necessary protection. I owe nothing and part of my employment contract everything but food is paid for by the company so i have money to burn so to speak. This makes me a whale to some lying unscrupulous cunt like I met in 2000. So I always tape rough sex.

Not sure why...but this post makes me not dislike you.

 

[Alexandra831]

Sounds like a very boring date.

hmm Richard. A movie doesn't have to be boring. I gave a boyfriend a handjob while we watched a movie at the movie theater a couple of different times. So you can always spice it up.

 

[Alexandra831]

I know a lot of people who think that sex is just legal prostitution, with the same hooker. lol However now a days both work, so I don't see how that works.
I know my husband gave me $200 for a blow job once. Crazy I know. I had been laid of from work.
So with no money coming in, had no way to pay a couple of bills I racked up, thinking I can pay them when I get paid. Never saw getting laid off coming. So I asked if I could have some money to pay off a credit card bill ( I used my credit card for x-mas and Birthday presents for our kids). He said I will give you two hundred for a blow job. So I accepted. Easiest $200 I have ever earned.

 

[richard_daily]

Sorry if I misjudged your intent Richard. Being the GB I figured you were baiting me.


It was an actual date. I have a poly-amorous relationship with a group. Some would call it swinging but it is not. We have a rule about frequency of fucking so there is less chance of getting emotionally attached.

Those on flight crews are frequently away so cheating is going to happen. I have lost count of the "loyal" flight attendants I have fucked. Some couples come to the realization that they love each other but have physical needs that need to be fulfilled. So instead of cheating our little exclusive club came into being. Ever since i been divorced I have been in polys. With my lifestyle it seems to work best.

The date in question is a pretty woman but not gorgeous as in a Berekleygirl but nothing a man would be ashamed of being seen with. Being in a Muslim land we must be careful. I took her to dinner but by all outward appearance it would look to outsiders as two friends.

Dubai is the most socially progressive Muslim land out of them all but there are limits. There are not separate rules for non-Muslims. What I do behind closed doors is my business but if I am to "affectionate" with another mans wife in public it can land me in jail and deported and of course fired. This is why I usually dine at the hotels. They cater to tourist and employees generally turn a blind eye but even then with limits.

The dinner was excellent. I enjoy fine dinning. Since I have fucked her many times before there was no seduction. She likes it rough and degrading. She likes getting choked which I'm not fond of doing. My nightmare is that I strangle her so I make sure I dont have a hold of her throat when I orgasm. She has long blonde hair that i kept wrapped around my fist which gets her off. I sent her home battered, bruised and satisfied. Anybody not knowing her would think she got her ass kicked and raped.

Women like her I always tape our session to protect me from allegations later. I really hate doing that but in 2000 it saved my ass. I had a girl accuse me of date rape and she was already talking civil suit. When my attorney showed the detectives and her attorney the video of her begging to get slapped and fucked harder her attorney told her not to say another word as they retreated. The detectives asked for a copy for their "records".

I know many would condemn me for taping but it is not done out of perversion but out of a necessary protection. I owe nothing and part of my employment contract everything but food is paid for by the company so i have money to burn so to speak. This makes me a whale to some lying unscrupulous cunt like I met in 2000. So I always tape rough sex.

Ha, "for their records"...

Cops are the worst... but then again, so are people who bring frivolous lawsuits. I've fought my fair share of those.

It sounds like a fun night, I didn't realize this was the same lady who was being "watched" or whatever by her husband.

In regards to rough play; I think what you have to realize is that obviously it doesn't make you a bad dude, who likes to choke or slap women. That sort of play is both parties acting out aggressive fantasies in ways that they both get off.

The woman who turned me out knew a lot about the psychology behind it. She picked up on a lot of cues, and the fact that I liked to choke her, but she took it to totally new levels for me, which of course led me to question whether I liked being abusive towards women, and if I was becoming some sort of monster or something (I come from an abusive family background)... She talked me through the process, and really helped nurture my proclivities for that sort of thing. She helped me develop a strong understanding of topping, and she helped me learn that it's a positive.

We had some extremely rough sessions and I learned a hell of a lot about my sexuality with her.

Probably the only thing that I've refused to do is hold a gun to a woman's head while fucking her. My respect for firearms is just way too ingrained in my head to do something like that.

I have never exclusively looked for women who like aggressive play, but most (though not all) of my best lovers have liked things very rough.


Thanks for sharing the story... I realize the GB is filled with some real numb nuts, but there are still some people here who actually like, and are comfortable with sex.

I'm not into the taping without permission, but I have taped a lot in the past. Most women I have been with are ok with it...

I suppose I'm not in your situation, and I'm not going to pass judgement, unless you go around posting it to the public... *cough cough*.

 

[richard_daily]

We should have drinks sometime and swap lurid tales. You always seem to have good ones hidden away.

I'm sure you've got some tucked away too... I'm going to stop there, because I know your situation... but believe me, I'd share some stories with you.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

It's money. But it not that much money.

Could I shell cash out for sex? I guess, if I was single, bored with dating and desperate enough for a shag. Something which so far has not happened. But you never know.

I'd feel weird shelling it out for the girls on that site though. They market themselves as high class and jet set. Something which I niether am nor am impressed by.

Where are the geek chick agencies?

you realize those rates are in British pounds yes?

500 pounds = approx 800 US give or take. $800 US for an hour is pretty good jack. I generally do a dinner date or overnight. What you see on the website is not all the girls. You must be VIP to see them all. These are not common hookers who fuck anybody with cash. They have the right to refuse you if you do not meet their stands. This generally means good hygiene and courtesy or if you are just fucking gross. Most of the girls I use I know. I use to fly charter for this company and that is how I know them and some of the ladies.

Prices usually reflect their language abilities. Part of the magic is her ability to create an illusion which is hard to pull off if she cannot communicate. Many of those girls are very educated and sophisticated. They choose to do this work because it can provide a sizable income and gives them the time and freedom to pursue their interests.

 

[Riles]

So basically, you reduce everything in life to a good or service. That's the part I take issue with.

An act of love or affection; how much of a dollar sign would you like to place on that?

Take issue all you like, can you actually deny that there no such thing as an unselfish deed? I don't think you can. You always get something in return, even if it's just personal satisfaction.

And where did I say anything about monetary value? When it comes to friends, loved ones, etc., you expect that the "love" you give (whatever form it is given) is the "love" you get back.

 

[richard_daily]

Take issue all you like, can you actually deny that there no such thing as an unselfish deed? I don't think you can. You always get something in return, even if it's just personal satisfaction.

And where did I say anything about monetary value? When it comes to friends, loved ones, etc., you expect that the "love" you give (whatever form it is given) is the "love" you get back.

Again, I disagree with your basic premise.

Not every act is a selfish one, and if you believe that there are no exceptions, that says more about your philosophy than anything else.

 

[Riles]

Again, I disagree with your basic premise.

Not every act is a selfish one, and if you believe that there are no exceptions, that says more about your philosophy than anything else.

Now, now, don't go getting all judgemental.

And I'm sorry, selfish might be the wrong wording here. But essentially I just don't believe people give of themselves without expecting to receive something in return -- but that something can be very simple. Courtesy, respect, affection, consideration....it goes on and on.

You really disagree?

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Ha, "for their records"...

Cops are the worst... but then again, so are people who bring frivolous lawsuits. I've fought my fair share of those.

It sounds like a fun night, I didn't realize this was the same lady who was being "watched" or whatever by her husband.

In regards to rough play; I think what you have to realize is that obviously it doesn't make you a bad dude, who likes to choke or slap women. That sort of play is both parties acting out aggressive fantasies in ways that they both get off.

The woman who turned me out knew a lot about the psychology behind it. She picked up on a lot of cues, and the fact that I liked to choke her, but she took it to totally new levels for me, which of course led me to question whether I liked being abusive towards women, and if I was becoming some sort of monster or something (I come from an abusive family background)... She talked me through the process, and really helped nurture my proclivities for that sort of thing. She helped me develop a strong understanding of topping, and she helped me learn that it's a positive.

We had some extremely rough sessions and I learned a hell of a lot about my sexuality with her.

Probably the only thing that I've refused to do is hold a gun to a woman's head while fucking her. My respect for firearms is just way too ingrained in my head to do something like that.

I have never exclusively looked for women who like aggressive play, but most (though not all) of my best lovers have liked things very rough.


Thanks for sharing the story... I realize the GB is filled with some real numb nuts, but there are still some people here who actually like, and are comfortable with sex.

I'm not into the taping without permission, but I have taped a lot in the past. Most women I have been with are ok with it...

I suppose I'm not in your situation, and I'm not going to pass judgement, unless you go around posting it to the public... *cough cough*.

you know the GB shot themselves in the ass with their gang attack on me about those pictures. That lady in question was sitting right beside me during that bullshit and posted worse on a fetish site of which she belongs. i had planned on posting all kinds of sex pictures and videos as well as pictures and videos of Dubai. I even have declassified videos from the inside of a Harrier Jet as I touched down on an aircraft carrier as well as video from the cockpit of a boeing 777. However the supreme assholiness of the GB has destroyed any enthusiasm in doing so.

for the GB record i am not really 3 feet tall.

 

[bronzeage]

I have paid for sex, but only as an investment.

I later sold it for a very good profit and only had to pay the 15% capital gains tax.

 

[richard_daily]

you know the GB shot themselves in the ass with their gang attack on me about those pictures. That lady in question was sitting right beside me during that bullshit and posted worse on a fetish site of which she belongs. i had planned on posting all kinds of sex pictures and videos as well as pictures and videos of Dubai. I even have declassified videos from the inside of a Harrier Jet as I touched down on an aircraft carrier as well as video from the cockpit of a boeing 777. However the supreme assholiness of the GB has destroyed any enthusiasm in doing so.

for the GB record i am not really 3 feet tall.

You're just saying that you're not 3 feet tall because you have reason to avoid posting videos and pictures now.



You'll grow skin thick enough for the GB yet, young grasshopper.

 

[richard_daily]

Now, now, don't go getting all judgemental.

And I'm sorry, selfish might be the wrong wording here. But essentially I just don't believe people give of themselves without expecting to receive something in return -- but that something can be very simple. Courtesy, respect, affection, consideration....it goes on and on.

You really disagree?

You're basically giving the definition of selfishness.

Do I believe that people can act without selfishness? Absolutely.

I have paid for sex, but only as an investment.

I later sold it for a very good profit and only had to pay the 15% capital gains tax.

If only the government would deregulate, imagine the profit you could make???

 

[bronzeage]

If only the government would deregulate, imagine the profit you could make???

I hope not. This why I am voting for Santorum. The investment sex market will skyrocket. He'll create an artificial sex shortage crisis and make even more tax breaks for the rich.

I'll be able to mop up and then sell the mop on fetsy, my fetish merchandise websites.