Alabama lawmakers have refused to create a second majority-Black congressional district.

[jaF0]

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Alabama lawmakers refuse to create 2nd majority-Black congressional district

Alabama lawmakers have refused to create a second majority-Black congressional district. The vote on Friday could defy an order from the U.S. ...



Perhaps the court will impose one?

 

[phrodeau]

It’s a dance. They’ll posture and delay to satisfy their constituents, then comply in the eleventh hour.

 

[Lazaran]

It’s a dance. They’ll posture and delay to satisfy their constituents, then comply in the eleventh hour.

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I believe it’s a bit more than posturing.

I would actually be surprised if the corrupt right wing “justices” on the Supreme Court ultimately find the lipstick on this pig of a remedy is “good enough”.

We shall see.

 

[dkovic77]

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I believe it’s a bit more than posturing.

I would actually be surprised if the corrupt right wing “justices” on the Supreme Court ultimately find the lipstick on this pig of a remedy is “good enough”.

We shall see.

Gov Wallace still in charge down there?

Amazing track record in the “great” state of Alabama.

 

[Dribble]

Gov Wallace still in charge down there?

Amazing track record in the “great” state of Alabama.

They allow coloreds to play basketball and football now. They don't like paying them...but they didn't get a choice there.

 

[dkovic77]

They allow coloreds to play basketball and football now. They don't like paying them...but they didn't get a choice there.

They didn’t like paying them before either, fought a whole war to keep that from changing.

Oh, it wasn’t about Slavery? It was States rights eh? The right to have slavery.

 

[Dribble]

They didn’t like paying them before either, fought a whole war to keep that from changing.

Oh, it wasn’t about Slavery? It was States rights eh? The right to have slavery.

And according to Florida's Educational System...those slaves were taught "life skills and trades that possibly helped them improve their lives".

 

[dkovic77]

And according to Florida's Educational System...those slaves were taught "life skills and trades that possibly helped them improve their lives".

Yeah, well Florida’s “educational system” is a joke… good luck filling the thousands of vacancies.

 

[Chernosoth]

Dems are still playing the race card. That is getting very old. If they had done the basics of politics, listening to and serving their constituents, then they could at least be contenders, in Alabama and every red state.

 

[Dribble]

Dems are still playing the race card. That is getting very old. If they had done the basics of politics, listening to and serving their constituents, then they could at least be contenders, in Alabama and every red state.

Ummmm....the Court made a decision

 

[YDB95]

Dems are still playing the race card.

That's what the likes of you always say when we try to address any problem stemming from racism.

If they had done the basics of politics, listening to and serving their constituents, then they could at least be contenders, in Alabama and every red state.

Nonsense. In Alabama more than any other state (except maybe Mississippi), it's still all about racial resentment. The only way Democrats could be serious contenders there would be if they returned to the bad old days of embracing white racism. If that's the option, I'd rather lose!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

No big deal. The state legislature and governor believe the new districting map is in compliance with the court order. If they are wrong, they’ll have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new map.

 

[Dribble]

No big deal. The state legislature and governor believe the new districting map is in compliance with the court order. If they are wrong, they’ll have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new map.

And another election passes using an illegally drawn map. Why is it white trailer trash like you don't have an issue?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

And another election passes using an illegally drawn map. Why is it white trailer trash like you don't have an issue?

No, I don’t have an issue with how civil disputes are adjudicated. Redistricting maps are frequently challenged in court. Sometimes the plaintiffs win and sometimes the defendants win. Alabama map was challenged and in court. The state lost and was ordered to draw new maps. They’ve done that and they believe the new map is compliant. Name calling is a reflection of your frustration. If it brings you comfort, bless you.

 

[Dribble]

Example of trailer trash mentality. Tell you what....shouldn't every election using an illegally drawn map be overturned...right? See the issue now?

 

[Comshaw]

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I believe it’s a bit more than posturing.

I would actually be surprised if the corrupt right wing “justices” on the Supreme Court ultimately find the lipstick on this pig of a remedy is “good enough”.

We shall see.

I don't think so. They are defying the court. That's going to piss off all of them whether they are a conservative or liberal.

Dems are still playing the race card. That is getting very old. If they had done the basics of politics, listening to and serving their constituents, then they could at least be contenders, in Alabama and every red state.

Dems are playing the race card because the dumbasses in the state legislature are still being racially prejudiced. They gerrymandered the districts to remove any chance black voters had to elect the representative they wanted. Yeah, you can claim they did it to remove any chance of a Democrat being elected, but they still screwed black voters in the process. The court has a conservative majority. The Dems did take it to the court but the conservative SCOTUS found in their favor.

And that last sentence of your post is bullshit. If it is true then tweaking the districts PER COURT ORDER shouldn't make a difference huh? 'Cause (to paraphrase you) "If they do the basics of politics, listening to and serving their constituents, then they could at least be contenders, in Alabama and every red state."

Yeah

Comshaw

 

[dkovic77]

No big deal. The state legislature and governor believe the new districting map is in compliance with the court order. If they are wrong, they’ll have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new map.

So.. court order said 2 districts that were majority … and they came back with one district.

Not a stretch. Open and shut and just drags feet. Right from the orange play book.

What you mean to say is the white folks in Alabama believe their map is fine and the blank folks should just accept it. The courts already said no.

How many medications are you on? Is there one for basic functioning? Double the dose.

 

[Chernosoth]

Repeating and doubling down on talking points could last until the election when one or both teams get new talking points. Until then, here's some Alabama life: throwing fish over the state line.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

So.. court order said 2 districts that were majority … and they came back with one district.

Not a stretch. Open and shut and just drags feet. Right from the orange play book.

What you mean to say is the white folks in Alabama believe their map is fine and the blank folks should just accept it. The courts already said no.

How many medications are you on? Is there one for basic functioning? Double the dose.

I have not read the full 112 page decision, nor have I studied the old and new maps. Even if I had, I’m not a lawyer. From what I’ve read in the news articles, Alabama needed a second majority Black district “or something quite close to it.” The state legislature and governor believe the new map is in compliance. Democrats believe it’s not. It’s being challenged and there’s a hearing next month. That’s how due process works and civil disputes get resolved. I have no idea what the outcome will be. I’ve got no issue with the SCOTUS decision and no issue with the state of Alabama’s effort to comply. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[dkovic77]

I have not read the full 112 page decision, nor have I studied the old and new maps. Even if I had, I’m not a lawyer. From what I’ve read in the news articles, Alabama needed a second majority Black district “or something quite close to it.” The state legislature and governor believe the new map is in compliance. Democrats believe it’s not. It’s being challenged and there’s a hearing next month. That’s how due process works and civil disputes get resolved. I have no idea what the outcome will be. I’ve got no issue with the SCOTUS decision and no issue with the state of Alabama’s effort to comply. Let the chips fall where they may.

And they will fall back on , you didn’t make two.. and even when you only made one, you reduced minority majority in the one… not going to pass the “close to it” test.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I have not read the full 112 page decision, nor have I studied the old and new maps. Even if I had, I’m not a lawyer. From what I’ve read in the news articles, Alabama needed a second majority Black district “or something quite close to it.” The state legislature and governor believe the new map is in compliance. Democrats believe it’s not. It’s being challenged and there’s a hearing next month. That’s how due process works and civil disputes get resolved. I have no idea what the outcome will be. I’ve got no issue with the SCOTUS decision and no issue with the state of Alabama’s effort to comply. Let the chips fall where they may.

When did any of these politicians testify under oath that they believe what they’re doing is legal?

Why do we have to let chips fall? Why not just robustly follow the court order?

 

[Dribble]

When did any of these politicians testify under oath that they believe what they’re doing is legal?

Why do we have to let chips fall? Why not just robustly follow the court order?

Simple...they still don't think blacks in Alabama are human...only 3/5ths of a human

 

[HisArpy]

I thought there was a thread on this, but can't find one. Deserves one though:


Alabama lawmakers refuse to create 2nd majority-Black congressional district

Alabama lawmakers have refused to create a second majority-Black congressional district. The vote on Friday could defy an order from the U.S. ...



Perhaps the court will impose one?

There was a decision out of either Georgia or S. Carolina just recently which states that the courts cannot draw districts themselves or designate someone to do it because that it a Constitutional provision granted to the States and not the Fed government or the courts.

So the court can't redraw the districts nor can they appoint a special master to do it.

The interesting extension of the opinion is that the courts really don't have jurisdiction to determine if the boundaries are "lawful" or not since, again, that's something which the individual States have the sole authority to determine. Which means that if a State wishes it's Congressional Districts to be discriminatory, there's not a lot the courts can do about it.

Then there's the fact that the courts can't "order" the State legislature to act or enact legislation under the Separation of Powers doctrine. The courts are limited to jurisdiction over existing laws/legislation.

Basically, if a State wishes to tell the court to go pound sand and they're going to stand by their redistricting maps, there's not a lot the court can do about it. They can't even send in the US Marshal to enforce their order because the Marshal can't do anything inside the State House and, if he tries, he's subject to arrest for interfering with a legislative session.


The only available possibility here is if there's a State law which requires what the court is ordering. I don't think there is, but I'm not conversant in that State's election/redistricting laws.

 

[Chernosoth]

Why do we have to let chips fall? Why not just robustly follow the court order?

Maybe they don't want outsiders telling them what to do.

The answer I keep coming back to is a constitutional amendment for independent redistricting commissions. That would take national consensus. We're not anywhere close to that yet. And the parties would eventually or immediately find ways to influence or hack the commissions.

 

[jomar]

Dems are still playing the race card. That is getting very old. If they had done the basics of politics, listening to and serving their constituents, then they could at least be contenders, in Alabama and every red state.

Gotta admit, repubs are way better at gerrymandering than dems. Voters scare repubs