Adding sex post hoc: Have you ever...

[SynSlave]

So, I've got two series I'm working on. Ideas queuing into a nice little log jam for other projects. I'm trying to pay it forward by taking on some volunteer editing work since someone was kind enough to help me jumpstart my own submissions. On top of that I really want to give it another go with NaNo this year. If all this seems like a lot (it certainly does to me!) then a lot you that are reading this deserve part of the blame! I could easily have faded away quietly, without encouragement and interaction.

Therefore, I demand you all reply with your thoughts and opinions!

If that didn't work than I'm not beneath begging, as I'll gladly beg for reader comments on my stories as well.

I'm thinking of doing a fantasy sexy/comedy adventure. Elves and magic and mercenary type stuff. Nothing new, just a light, fun romp. I've written them in the past and it's a format I feel comfortable with--speed writing and seeing if my fingers can keep up with my imagination--perfect for NaNo right? But sexy/comedy would exclude some of the hardcore action readers here expect. So the "have you ever..." prelude leads me to curiously ask if anyone's done the old, write it out and dirty it up later approach. If I'm going to take the time to write out 50-100k words I'd like someone to actually read it. A vanilla version for the GP and a steamier version for the mass critics here doesn't seem like a bad idea considering fun/sexy adventure is the starting premise. Not like I plan on writing a bad version of Kafka's Metamorphosis and converting it to erotic fiction. *shudders*

So, I know you've all at least considered it. And I'm sure some of you have tried it. Thoughts? Advice? Sarcastic quips? I'll take whatever you've got.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

So, I've got two series I'm working on. Ideas queuing into a nice little log jam for other projects. I'm trying to pay it forward by taking on some volunteer editing work since someone was kind enough to help me jumpstart my own submissions. On top of that I really want to give it another go with NaNo this year. If all this seems like a lot (it certainly does to me!) then a lot you that are reading this deserve part of the blame! I could easily have faded away quietly, without encouragement and interaction.

Therefore, I demand you all reply with your thoughts and opinions!

If that didn't work than I'm not beneath begging, as I'll gladly beg for reader comments on my stories as well.

I'm thinking of doing a fantasy sexy/comedy adventure. Elves and magic and mercenary type stuff. Nothing new, just a light, fun romp. I've written them in the past and it's a format I feel comfortable with--speed writing and seeing if my fingers can keep up with my imagination--perfect for NaNo right? But sexy/comedy would exclude some of the hardcore action readers here expect. So the "have you ever..." prelude leads me to curiously ask if anyone's done the old, write it out and dirty it up later approach. If I'm going to take the time to write out 50-100k words I'd like someone to actually read it. A vanilla version for the GP and a steamier version for the mass critics here doesn't seem like a bad idea considering fun/sexy adventure is the starting premise. Not like I plan on writing a bad version of Kafka's Metamorphosis and converting it to erotic fiction. *shudders*

So, I know you've all at least considered it. And I'm sure some of you have tried it. Thoughts? Advice? Sarcastic quips? I'll take whatever you've got.

What’s NaNo? Apologies in advance for my ignorance.

That approach is how I write everything: story first with sex placeholders. I usually just write in “sex scene” and then write out details later. That has enough meaning for me in context of the chapter/scene. I’m writing a novel series and it’s currently edited to about 485k; few chapters are just sex, so the story comes first.

 

[NotWise]

What’s NaNo? Apologies in advance for my ignorance.

NaNoWriMo. National Novel Writing Month. AKA November. It's a writing competition and I understand that at least one notable book (50 Shades of Grey) started as a NaNoWriMo project.

 

[oggbashan]

What’s NaNo? Apologies in advance for my ignorance.

That approach is how I write everything: story first with sex placeholders. I usually just write in “sex scene” and then write out details later. That has enough meaning for me in context of the chapter/scene. I’m writing a novel series and it’s currently edited to about 485k; few chapters are just sex, so the story comes first.

NaNoWriMo - write a 'novel' of 50,000 words in November - NaNoWriMo.org

My How-To:

https://www.literotica.com/s/complete-nanowrimo

Yes, I have added sex later but have never been happy with the result. If I can do that the story usually works better without the sex.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

NaNoWriMo. National Novel Writing Month. AKA November. It's a writing competition and I understand that at least one notable book (50 Shades of Grey) started as a NaNoWriMo project.

NaNoWriMo - write a 'novel' of 50,000 words in November - NaNoWriMo.org

My How-To:

https://www.literotica.com/s/complete-nanowrimo

Yes, I have added sex later but have never been happy with the result. If I can do that the story usually works better without the sex.

Ah! Very cool; thanks so much for clarifying!

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

I am not necessarily a linear writer but I can't really fathom trying to just stick a sex scene into the text. When i write the sex scenes just happen. My 2 cents worth.

 

[oggbashan]

I am not necessarily a linear writer but I can't really fathom trying to just stick a sex scene into the text. When i write the sex scenes just happen. My 2 cents worth.

I would tend to agree. If it is a Literotica story the sex should be essential and part of the plot, not optional.

 

[Hypoxia]

I am not necessarily a linear writer but I can't really fathom trying to just stick a sex scene into the text. When i write the sex scenes just happen. My 2 cents worth.

Well, sometimes we *make* them happen. Like if we decide to start in the middle of a fuckathon, then feed in some backstory, then back to fucking, then a little more story, and end with more fucks. It's more like sticking a story into all the sex, not vice-versa.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I am not necessarily a linear writer but I can't really fathom trying to just stick a sex scene into the text. When i write the sex scenes just happen. My 2 cents worth.

Yeah, that's far too "constructed" for me. That sounds like a story with sexy bits added, like choosing a sauce on your schnitzel in the pub. Erotica, in my mind, has to permeate the piece the whole time, every sentence, every look. Bolting it on afterwards sounds like Ikea to me, a bit artificial.

"Ooo, look what's in the catalogue! Can I have one of those?"

"You're after an ironing board, darling, the only option is white."

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

Yeah, that's far too "constructed" for me. That sounds like a story with sexy bits added, like choosing a sauce on your schnitzel in the pub. Erotica, in my mind, has to permeate the piece the whole time, every sentence, every look. Bolting it on afterwards sounds like Ikea to me, a bit artificial.

"Ooo, look what's in the catalogue! Can I have one of those?"

"You're after an ironing board, darling, the only option is white."

LOL , I had this vision of a sexual automat. "OK, I will order the blowjob, plus anal. Do I wan't to add the cremepie to the scene?"

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

Well, sometimes we *make* them happen. Like if we decide to start in the middle of a fuckathon, then feed in some backstory, then back to fucking, then a little more story, and end with more fucks. It's more like sticking a story into all the sex, not vice-versa.

Agreed, but 9/10 if there was never sex in the scene to start with there was usually a reason, even if your muse won't explain why.

 

[MichaelGH]

The bomb was about to go off. John had never encountered an explosive like this and it looks as if his first time is about to be the last. All he has are his past experiences and his wits and intuitions in order to defuse this contraption. Yet where to begin? All hope was beginning to fade with him desperately trying to grasp onto what little was left.

Anyway a few days ago John was fucking this hot bitch.

 

[SynSlave]

Interesting thoughts. So far it looks like the majority is in the "either write it with erotic from the get go or leave it out" gang. I myself think under the write conditions some erotic stories could easily be pruned down to a PG-13 rating. I know I've read such stories here but I'd have to hunt them down. More curious if anyone has tried or has considered writing with the intent to infuse erotica later, along the lines of Vix initial response.

The bomb was about to go off. John had never encountered an explosive like this and it looks as if his first time is about to be the last. All he has are his past experiences and his wits and intuitions in order to defuse this contraption. Yet where to begin? All hope was beginning to fade with him desperately trying to grasp onto what little was left.

Anyway a few days ago John was fucking this hot bitch.

Why I made the Kafka analogy. I'm considering a format and style that would work well either way (with the XXX parts or without).

 

[SimonDoom]

No. I have never written an erotic story this way, and I've never thought about writing an erotic story this way. Ever.

I don't write stories with sex in them. I write sex stories. In my stories, the sex is the whole point. I don't necessarily mean intercourse. "Sex" can be any sort of erotic encounter or experience. But in my stories the sex is the focus and the climax. So I don't ever write stories the way the OP suggests. I wouldn't know what to do trying to write such a story.

 

[MichaelGH]

No. I have never written an erotic story this way, and I've never thought about writing an erotic story this way. Ever.

I don't write stories with sex in them. I write sex stories. In my stories, the sex is the whole point. I don't necessarily mean intercourse. "Sex" can be any sort of erotic encounter or experience. But in my stories the sex is the focus and the climax. So I don't ever write stories the way the OP suggests. I wouldn't know what to do trying to write such a story.

Yeah I think that may have been you who told me that and that was a big eye opener. It kind of made me write stories to comment on sexuality. Though the readers may have not been too happy about that shift.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

I myself think under the write conditions some erotic stories could easily be pruned down to a PG-13 rating. I know I've read such stories here but I'd have to hunt them down.

I'd think that Bowlderizing a story after it was written would be easier than adding the sex in to a tame story. You can excise things more easily and without altering the flow as much than you can chuck stuff in that wasn't there before. At least that's what it seems like to me.

The stories I write include the sexy bits from the beginning.

I don't write stories with sex in them. I write sex stories. In my stories, the sex is the whole point. I don't necessarily mean intercourse. "Sex" can be any sort of erotic encounter or experience. But in my stories the sex is the focus and the climax. So I don't ever write stories the way the OP suggests.

I've written both kinds of stories. I've written shorter (typically) stories where the whole thing is one long sex scene of some degree of convolutedness (convolution? some kind of convoluted situation?) or other. I've also written stories where the sex was a part of the storytelling, but not the main focus of it.

But for all my stories, I write the sex when I get to the sex. I don't put a placeholder and write it in later, unless I'm skipping that entire section for some reason.

I do tend to jump around in writing some of the longer stories. So, I've written the beginning of one, and then worked on the end of it, then a chunk in the middle, etc.

 

[Rustyoznail]

The ONLY way it could wok is something like.

She flicked him a "come hither" glance over her naked shoulder and he dragged himself to the bedroom after her, drool slowly dripping on the floor behind him....

And as the follow up -

They ripped each other clothes off and fucked in ways the authors of the Kama Sutra never believed was possible.

Even then - not my way of writing. I'm thinking of editing my Halloween entry to go on a Destiny game fanfic site, but it's going to be easier to tone it down than if I went the other way.

 

[KeithD]

I've been adding sex scenes to old mainstream stories for years, written before I felt I could include graphic sex in the stories. They do fine.

 

[JuanSeiszFitzHall]

Speaking of Kafka, I have a copy of the rare Hungarian version: "Gregor Samsa awoke to find that he had become a cockroach with an eleven-inch prick. The hive queen tore open her exoskeleton to reveal her 49-inch breasts and shaved, squirting vagina. "At last!" she cried. "Take me, Gregor!"

 

[MichaelGH]

Speaking of Kafka, I have a copy of the rare Hungarian version: "Gregor Samsa awoke to find that he had become a cockroach with an eleven-inch prick. The hive queen tore open her exoskeleton to reveal her 49-inch breasts and shaved, squirting vagina. "At last!" she cried. "Take me, Gregor!"

I did not need to hear that.

 

[SynSlave]

I did not need to hear that.

You definitely want to stay away from his work then. He's got dark visuals that are more nightmarish than Clive Barker (hands down my favorite fantasy/horror without--makes Stephen King look like Disney). That human centipede movie (which I might have watched twenty minutes of) was inspired by his work. If you prefer his more rebellious and disestablismentariasm slant over his grotesque imagery, I'd happily recommend J.D. Salinger instead.

Trying to get back on topic: Barker uses sex as an evil tool as well. Imajika was a contest of cock vs vagina and one hell of a bender. Weave world involved a man being raped by a demon. His allegory is not for the squeamish. And like everywhere he's got ardent feminist followers praising him for his bold style and flawed characters, as much as there are those that bash his surreal, raw and complex depictions of gender roles and his stark portrayal of sexual struggle.

Yeah, I need to try harder getting back on topic: Barker's books are examples of how you can remove the graphic sexual encounters and his stories wouldn't suffer. I see from more responses, it looks like sex by infusion or omission is a grayer area than I thought. But I honestly didnt have many assumptions about the responses outside a generic, "write whatever you want".

Good stuff.

I'm still sticking with my NaNo plan for now, but the feedback I read is already getting gears turning in my head that I didn't realize I had. Still think the lighter comedic route is the path to take, as much as I enjoy delving into the darkside of the human psyche.

Bookmarked an ogg story that, when I get around to it, I'm going to try a pastiche attempt while reflecting Joseph Heller's satrical style on the plot. Forgot to add that to the list of things I've already put on my plate. But the higher you reach makes baby steps larger, right? Thankfully that can wait.

So... determining how risque to get in November will be something to gauge as I write. Guess I can always wait till December to see if rewriting and submitting is worth the effort.

 

[MichaelGH]

You definitely want to stay away from his work then.

I just want to make sure people know that was a tongue-in-cheek statement

 

[Bramblethorn]

Trying to get back on topic: Barker uses sex as an evil tool as well. Imajika was a contest of cock vs vagina and one hell of a bender. Weave world involved a man being raped by a demon. His allegory is not for the squeamish. And like everywhere he's got ardent feminist followers praising him for his bold style and flawed characters, as much as there are those that bash his surreal, raw and complex depictions of gender roles and his stark portrayal of sexual struggle.

Yeah, I need to try harder getting back on topic: Barker's books are examples of how you can remove the graphic sexual encounters and his stories wouldn't suffer.

I'm bad at detecting sarcasm, so apologies if I've misread, but I'd argue that Weaveworld does suffer if you remove that bit with the Magdalene - it's not just the scene itself, but the horror of its consequences - and the sexuality is even more important in The Hellbound Heart, where it's part of what drives Frank to ruin.