A thought about Sherlock BBC

[nikkifromny]

All day something has been bothering me and I didn't know where to post, but here goes.

So I was chatting with a sexy friend from the UK and I told him that I liked the BBCOne show "Sherlock."

Many people are into the show "Sherlock" because they like mysteries or action. Others are into it for the frankly beautiful star or for the suggestion of sexual relationships.

But I find myself captivated by Sherlock's assistant, John. He's strong. He's a soldier, recently returned from Afghanistan. He's damn good with a gun. He's smart (a doctor).

And he's remarkably self-controlled. Sherlock acts like a brat and John is very patient and understanding, but also has limits. John is eager and willing, but not a sycophantic doormat.

And as they get to know each other, John is able to anticipate Sherlock's needs and even direct Sherlock through certain social situations.

I want to be Sherlock--brilliant, justifiably cocky, beautiful, mean.

But something tells me that I am not him.

That I am the wing(wo)man. The loyal assistant. The supportive colleague. I am 'John.'

But I also really like being in control. It's extremely hard for me to let go of that. I like directing others. I want to have a 'John' of my own.

I feel so confused.

Nikki

 

[desertslave]

I LOVE this show and I've been appreciating the same dynamics that you write about.

Here's a thought: John has a very subtle level of control. It's quiet and even a little sneaky at times, but it's definitely there. When Holmes goes haring off, John rather deftly manipulates him and helps him to focus. He extends his self-control like a blanket over Holmes' impulsiveness. Or ducks and wisely walks away when he knows the fan is on high speed with incoming projectiles. What I've been finding interesting is how Holmes always finds his way back, even if he can't quite admit that he needs Watson's centeredness.

I can't wait for more! I just about cried at the end of the last episode.

 

[Amber875]

I love this show and the Sherlock/John dynamic is intriguing.

I want to be Sherlock--brilliant, justifiably cocky, beautiful, mean.
But something tells me that I am not him.
That I am the wing(wo)man. The loyal assistant. The supportive colleague. I am 'John.'
But I also really like being in control. It's extremely hard for me to let go of that. I like directing others. I want to have a 'John' of my own.
I feel so confused.
Nikki

I often feel the same way - why can't we have/be a bit of both?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Kind of a husband/wife dynamic, isn't it?

Of course, since they are two men, we can look at the relationship without the gender assumptions. We can let the personalities be just-- personalities.

This is one of the reasons so many women love slash fiction.

 

[nikkifromny]

Here's a thought: John has a very subtle level of control. It's quiet and even a little sneaky at times, but it's definitely there.

Ah, yes, that is so true. I hadn't thought of it like that before.
Nikki

 

[nikkifromny]

Kind of a husband/wife dynamic, isn't it?

Of course, since they are two men, we can look at the relationship without the gender assumptions. We can let the personalities be just-- personalities.

This is one of the reasons so many women love slash fiction.

Oh, such a good point about the dynamic and assumptions. So I guess the question becomes, how can we let go of assumptions in our relationships and focus instead on enjoying one another's personalities?

And I really liked what Amber said about being both...

Nikki

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh, such a good point about the dynamic and assumptions. So I guess the question becomes, how can we let go of assumptions in our relationships and focus instead on enjoying one another's personalities?

And I really liked what Amber said about being both...

Nikki

Well, my solution was to engage in same-sex relationships.

 

[Shankara20]

Well, my solution was to engage in same-sex relationships.

I went to some same-sex relationships guzzz I liked their equipment


I also love the Sherlock BBC and am dieing to see how he pulled that last one off and now I will ponder the relationship with John a bit tonight.

 

[erotica_n_s]

I love the show!

But I feel it could be even better...

I mean I like the concept of "adapting" the original stories into a present-day setting... but they can do so much more... if it wasn't for budget constraints, I guess...

I mean, these days, audiences are so much more sophisticated than they used to be...

I mean, entertaining as the show is, subtlety certainly isn't one of it's strengths... every tiny plot point is thrust into the audience' face with all the tact of a sledgehammer...

Sure, the original author - Conan Doyle - didn't do much with exploring the characters' back stories, etc. but that's all the more reason why the writers of the BBC show should have done some work on that... this being a TV show, they're less bound by limits on the length of the stories, I mean, unlike a cinematic film, where EVERYTHING needs to be packed into 120-150 minutes, a TV series can have numerous episodes where the characters can be explored in more depth, plots can be much more elaborate/intricate etc.... but with that would come increased costs, I guess...

Still, I'm a fan, I'd just love it if they would put a little bit more into it...

(But I guess this is a thread for BDSM aficionados who want to discuss the intricacies or power/control dynamics of the Watson-Holmes relationship, not a thread particularly for wannabe screenwriters... so sorry for the digression!)

 

[Stella_Omega]

I went to some same-sex relationships guzzz I liked their equipment

Fucking a guy once in a while ain't exactly a relationship.

I'm going to pick up the whole thing when it comes out on DVD or something, I've only seen a couple of episodes.

 

[Shankara20]

Fucking a guy once in a while ain't exactly a relationship.

fair point....

but I still like the equipment

 

[Stella_Omega]

fair point....

but I still like the equipment

I do too, once in a while.

I don't like heteronormative relationship dynamics, and I can't seem to get rid of those expectations when I go into hetero relationships; no matter how queer the gentleman in question is, we slip into the husband/wife assumptions.

Ergo, same sex relationships.

If I were a man, I would be in same sex relationships for the same reason.

 

[YourCaptor]

Check my sig, can you guess who my fav is?

I think John is mostly Sherlocks interpreter, between his weird head and the world. Keep in mind Sherlock could not have gained fame alone. Also John is a really funny, long gay joke.

John being the comic relief seems to be a common feature in the better Sherlock incarnations.

I love the show!

But I feel it could be even better...

I mean I like the concept of "adapting" the original stories into a present-day setting... but they can do so much more... if it wasn't for budget constraints, I guess...

I mean, these days, audiences are so much more sophisticated than they used to be...

I mean, entertaining as the show is, subtlety certainly isn't one of it's strengths... every tiny plot point is thrust into the audience' face with all the tact of a sledgehammer...

Sure, the original author - Conan Doyle - didn't do much with exploring the characters' back stories, etc. but that's all the more reason why the writers of the BBC show should have done some work on that... this being a TV show, they're less bound by limits on the length of the stories, I mean, unlike a cinematic film, where EVERYTHING needs to be packed into 120-150 minutes, a TV series can have numerous episodes where the characters can be explored in more depth, plots can be much more elaborate/intricate etc.... but with that would come increased costs, I guess...

Still, I'm a fan, I'd just love it if they would put a little bit more into it...

(But I guess this is a thread for BDSM aficionados who want to discuss the intricacies or power/control dynamics of the Watson-Holmes relationship, not a thread particularly for wannabe screenwriters... so sorry for the digression!)

Spoilers so watch out.

I disagree, I thought the final episode has many levels of subtlety. I watched parts of that thing over and over trying to put everything together, even going back to season one to pick up clues.

It’s all about the rooftop scene. The first thing you got to realize is that they both, or possibly only Sherlock, arrive with a plan to fake suicide. Hence all that silly chit chat was just a little dance. Sherlock did not fall for the “code”, he was buying time for the buses to leave so he could jump into that truck and fake his suicide with Mollys team. Also Moriarty is not stupid, he told Sherlock he would not call off the hit on purpose, it was a direct setup for his suicide, probably fake, not a slip of the tongue. The rooftop was the final problem which I think is how to discredit Sherlock permanently and take him into the underworld that Moriarty lives in. Hence all the angels/fall/IOU clues.

Another possibility could be that Moriarty made the world think Sherlock created him, now that Moriarty is dead, and Sherlock is prowling the underground, people will think he is the consulting criminal, hence becoming Moriarty. It’s a tricky one, clues are scattered throughout most of the episodes.

Personally I think Moriarty is alive. The only reason he is now actively going after him is cause, this weird detective kid he was toying with is now famous, not good. Not exactly something to kill yourself over.

 

[Shankara20]

Personally I think Moriarty is alive.

As is Red John.

*sigh*

There are so many cop & robber shows that have a long term evil person that is the arch-villain of the main hero that my wife and I sorta go "yawn - "Moriarty" - get a new idea please".

The Mentalist
Burn Notice
.
.
.

more?

 

[YourCaptor]

As is Red John.

*sigh*

There are so many cop & robber shows that have a long term evil person that is the arch-villain of the main hero that my wife and I sorta go "yawn - "Moriarty" - get a new idea please".

The Mentalist
Burn Notice
.
.
.

more?

I don't know, don't watch much TV.

I just really like Moriarty cause he reminds me of one of them crazy russian novel dudes. The almost random, almost self destructive, doing insane shit cause he felt like it at the moment character.

 

[Cattypuss]

I don't know, don't watch much TV.

I just really like Moriarty cause he reminds me of one of them crazy russian novel dudes. The almost random, almost self destructive, doing insane shit cause he felt like it at the moment character.

I like him cos he has a sexy Oirish accent and is much better looking than Benedict Cumberbatch.

Shallow? Moi?

 

[Marquis]

I read the entire Holmes canon this year. I've seen a few episodes of Sherlock and enjoyed them immensely.