A serous thread - I must be sick!

[amicus]

[QUOTE=Jenny_Jackson]I was perusing the "New Stories" and noticed something that's bothered me for some time: Both the stories and titles tend to be fantasy rather than real life. I could have picked a dozen actual story titles, but that would seem defferential to the authors, and that is not my intention.

So, rather than insult anyone, I will use the imaginary, though typical, title "Wilma's First Gang Bang". If there is such a story, I'm sorry. It was not my intention to use your title.

Now, how many writers on lit have ever actually been in a gang bang? How many intend to participate in one over, say, the next year?

My answer to that is almost zero. I say almost because among you people, I'm sure someone has actually tried it, if for no other reason than "research".

But think of the proliferation of gang bang stories posted on Lit. How many? I would guess hundreds. And how man "Mother Fucks Her Son (or Daughter or Uncle or Daddy Fucks His Daughter or Son or Niece, etc) stories are there.

I truely wonder how many have actually done this?[/QUOTE]

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Jenny Jackson and Amicus do not see eye-to-eye on anything political...not surprising, few have even a clue as to my political roots.

But...Jenny Jackson is a writer; and a good one at that.

In reading through the posts on her thread, a thought came to mind and I share it with you.

Literotica.com is what we, those who write and post, make it.

Manu and Laurel own and manage the site, the readers, read and vote, but those of you who write and post, make and have made this site what it is.

The better we are as writers, the better quality the site is.

amicus...

 

[chris 44]

Don't know about sick, I must be hallucinating.
First time in I don't know how long, I find myself agreeing with Amicus.
If I didn't know better I might think age was mellowing him

Chris

 

[amicus]

Don't know about sick, I must be hallucinating.
First time in I don't know how long, I find myself agreeing with Amicus.
If I didn't know better I might think age was mellowing him

Chris

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Prolly both, chris...take two amicus and call me in the morning...


ahem...

 

[oggbashan]

while there are a number of poets and artists who go out at look at reality, the result (the work of art), although it reflects experience/observation, is also shaped in the imagination. consider monet's 'haystacks': ever see a haystack that looked like a monet one?

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/monet/haystacks/boston.jpg

Yes. I have seen a haystack like a Monet one. They were rare but not unusual when I was young.

I have never seen a haystack as Monet saw it, except through his interpretation. That is the difference between a great artist and a viewer of the art. Such an artist can take an everyday object or scene and show you something you have never seen before.

Og

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Don't know about sick, I must be hallucinating.
First time in I don't know how long, I find myself agreeing with Amicus.
If I didn't know better I might think age was mellowing him

Chris

Do as Doc Amicus says, and stress not Chris. Remember, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

And please permit me a tip of the hat to JJ for all the comments she posts on the Story Feedback thread. They remind me of those done in days of yore by KillerMuffin, tough but fair.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[oggbashan]

Fantasy versus reality

I think that I have written some realistic stories. I know I have written many fantasy stories but I tried to make them believable, but some suspension of disbelief is essential for most fiction here.

Ancient Liberties, Auditions, E-mail Valentine, Golf Widower, Hedgehog Feud and others COULD have happened. So could my much vilified story Donna except for the ending that is intended to show Donna's distorted thinking.

My Brigit series, although based on reality in the causes the hero undertakes, is obviously fantasy. Tripletit is outright fantasy, as are my Shelacta series.

The Giant Squid, White Scut, The Virgin Unbirth, Hypnotic and its sequel Intent are wild fantasies that cannot be real. I don't think they are less valid as fiction.

What I do with my realistic stories is take something that might have happened and tell it as I would like it to have happened. If I take Auditions as an example:

There is a dirt road leading off a main road near me that used to have a sign "Auditions" displayed several times a year. That road led to some formerly agricultural buildings used by a small, family run, photographic company that produced catalogues and leaflets for other local companies. They auditioned local people to appear in those catalogues or leaflets as 'ordinary members of the public' who had to be reasonably photogenic but had to appear as normal people, not supermodels. The pay for those accepted was a useful bonus but not life-changing. A typical day's work for a 'model' might have paid for a weekend away or an evening out to a London show, or a contribution to a utility bill. Someone who was successful at an audition might get half-a-dozen days' work a year.

The photographic company's selling point was that they provided a cheap, fast and efficient service. They did not intend to compete with major advertising agencies, nor to provide a service for larger companies who had significant advertising budgets. Their typical output was for small retail shops or small companies trading on a local industrial estate e.g. a T-shirt printer might want photos of people wearing their product.

The company closed down some years ago because the couple that ran it were past retiring age and home computers could produce the artwork cheaper. I drove past the end of the road and remembered their sign and thought "What if someone traded on their name..." Auditions was the result.

Auditions is not reality but it is based on reality together with "What If?".

I think that approach is valid.

Og

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I think that I have written some realistic stories. I know I have written many fantasy stories but I tried to make them believable, but some suspension of disbelief is essential for most fiction here.

Ancient Liberties, Auditions, E-mail Valentine, Golf Widower, Hedgehog Feud and others COULD have happened. So could my much vilified story Donna except for the ending that is intended to show Donna's distorted thinking.

My Brigit series, although based on reality in the causes the hero undertakes, is obviously fantasy. Tripletit is outright fantasy, as are my Shelacta series.

The Giant Squid, White Scut, The Virgin Unbirth, Hypnotic and its sequel Intent are wild fantasies that cannot be real. I don't think they are less valid as fiction.

What I do with my realistic stories is take something that might have happened and tell it as I would like it to have happened. If I take Auditions as an example:

There is a dirt road leading off a main road near me that used to have a sign "Auditions" displayed several times a year. That road led to some formerly agricultural buildings used by a small, family run, photographic company that produced catalogues and leaflets for other local companies. They auditioned local people to appear in those catalogues or leaflets as 'ordinary members of the public' who had to be reasonably photogenic but had to appear as normal people, not supermodels. The pay for those accepted was a useful bonus but not life-changing. A typical day's work for a 'model' might have paid for a weekend away or an evening out to a London show, or a contribution to a utility bill. Someone who was successful at an audition might get half-a-dozen days' work a year.

The photographic company's selling point was that they provided a cheap, fast and efficient service. They did not intend to compete with major advertising agencies, nor to provide a service for larger companies who had significant advertising budgets. Their typical output was for small retail shops or small companies trading on a local industrial estate e.g. a T-shirt printer might want photos of people wearing their product.

The company closed down some years ago because the couple that ran it were past retiring age and home computers could produce the artwork cheaper. I drove past the end of the road and remembered their sign and thought "What if someone traded on their name..." Auditions was the result.

Auditions is not reality but it is based on reality together with "What If?".

I think that approach is valid.

Og

I've read many of those stories, Og.
For a writer to suspend reality is fine. There could be no Sci-Fi stories at all, for example, if that were not so. But even with reality turned off, the characters still have to act the way a real person would act in order to move the story along and make it believable.

In the case of a fantasy-fairy story that was sent to me a few days ago to look over, the story snippet actually works. We know there are no fairys. We know the universe in which the story takes place is not real. But the story still works because the characters are believable within their own confined world.

 

[CharleyH]

I was perusing the "New Stories" and noticed something that's bothered me for some time: Both the stories and titles tend to be fantasy rather than real life. I could have picked a dozen actual story titles, but that would seem defferential to the authors, and that is not my intention.

So, rather than insult anyone, I will use the imaginary, though typical, title "Wilma's First Gang Bang". If there is such a story, I'm sorry. It was not my intention to use your title.

Now, how many writers on lit have ever actually been in a gang bang? How many intend to participate in one over, say, the next year?

My answer to that is almost zero. I say almost because among you people, I'm sure someone has actually tried it, if for no other reason than "research".

But think of the proliferation of gang bang stories posted on Lit. How many? I would guess hundreds. And how man "Mother Fucks Her Son (or Daughter or Uncle or Daddy Fucks His Daughter or Son or Niece, etc) stories are there.

I truely wonder how many have actually done this?

Interesting. I removed all but two of my "REAL" stories in so far as they can be real without being dull. Never engaged in a gang bang and heaven help me - I never want to, nor will I ever write it ... Erotic Fiction is about the suspension of disbelief and has a lot of psyche twists.. yet the best authors mingle the real with the fantasy. Thoughts, JJ?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Interesting. I removed all but two of my "REAL" stories in so far as they can be real without being dull. Never engaged in a gang bang and heaven help me - I never want to, nor will I ever write it ... Erotic Fiction is about the suspension of disbelief and has a lot of psyche twists.. yet the best authors mingle the real with the fantasy. Thoughts, JJ?

To be honest, Charley, I've lived all my fantasies in years past and really don't want to go there.

When I write, erotic or otherwise, I truely intend the entire thing to be a completely made up story. The one exception is the ghost story I did for Halloween. That is pretty much the real me in that story, although the ghost part is complete fiction - that party never happened.

I agree that each writer has to dig down someplace inside themselves to find a story and characters. Some of mine are people I've known over the years. Many are charactatures impressions or rememberances of real people.

As I've said many times, I first develop a character or group of characters in my head and just let them rattle around in there until they become like real people. Then I begin to write. I've found that is how I can make them act and react in ways that seem real.

I think all fiction suspends reality in one way or another. But I also think it's the responsibility of the writer to replace reality with an alternate reality in which the characters can perform in ways that, at least, seem real.

 

[CharleyH]

To be honest, Charley, I've lived all my fantasies in years past and really don't want to go there.

When I write, erotic or otherwise, I truely intend the entire thing to be a completely made up story. The one exception is the ghost story I did for Halloween. That is pretty much the real me in that story, although the ghost part is complete fiction - that party never happened.

I agree that each writer has to dig down someplace inside themselves to find a story and characters. Some of mine are people I've known over the years. Many are charactatures impressions or rememberances of real people.

As I've said many times, I first develop a character or group of characters in my head and just let them rattle around in there until they become like real people. Then I begin to write. I've found that is how I can make them act and react in ways that seem real.

I think all fiction suspends reality in one way or another. But I also think it's the responsibility of the writer to replace reality with an alternate reality in which the characters can perform in ways that, at least, seem real.

I consider a writer not much different than an actor. In that light, I do aspire to a Stanislovsky mode ....

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I consider a writer not much different than an actor. In that light, I do aspire to a Stanislovsky mode ....

That's not a bad analogy, Charley.

 

[gauchecritic]

I consider a writer not much different than an actor. In that light, I do aspire to a Stanislovsky mode ....

You just had to bring him up again didn't you? Are you saying a writer can't write about something they've never experienced? Or researched? That it's impossible for a female writer to write a male pov?

 

[CharleyH]

You just had to bring him up again didn't you? Are you saying a writer can't write about something they've never experienced? Or researched? That it's impossible for a female writer to write a male pov?

NOoo. I am saying I write from a Stanislovsky mode. Believe it or ... not.

 

[gauchecritic]

NOoo. I am saying I write from a Stanislovsky mode. Believe it or ... not.

In which case it would depend a lot on which you put first, the messenger or the message. Stanislavsky puts the messenger, Brecht puts the message.

 

[CharleyH]

In which case it would depend a lot on which you put first, the messenger or the message. Stanislavsky puts the messenger, Brecht puts the message.

Indeed (sort of), so which person do you want to discuss?

(PS - you will have to remind me of where the thread is, as I won't be here for a few days). Immediately it is late for me ... which theorist is of interest to you? Both interest me, so both are an easy talk.