A Questions about "property rights" within D/s

[Swashbuckler]

Open question to subs and Dom/mes:

How do you (Dom/mes) feel about the property, specifically the property of creativity, of your submissives?

Or you, submissives, how do your Dom/mes treat your rights to your own creations?

Would you as a Dom/me think that something created by the mind of your submissive was yours by default? Or woudl you consider it the fruit of their effort and thus belognign to them?

submisives, do you consider the fruits of your mind, the property of your Dom/me?



I am asking these questions over the issue of plagerism that I have had the luck (not really sure right now if it is good or bad) to have witnessed a plagerism of a sub's work by the sub's D.

Personally, I felt outraged by it. I do not consider the work of my sub, my property. If it were offerd as a gift to me, I would cherish it, but it would be her work and only she could take it public, under her own individual peson.

I am seriously curiosus to hear your veiw points. I do see the potential of this as a match head for flaming. That is not my intent. I would encourage discussion, heated yes, personal attacks no.

~Swash~

 

[Shadowsdream]

it belongs to the submissive..unless gifted to the Dominant without pressure...
one more unless...
IF the Dominant has set the task to the submissive to do creative work on their behalf and the submissive does so knowing the intent.

 

[Swashbuckler]

THank you Shadowsdream.

I agree, if a submissive were instructed to a task for the Dom it would be done for the Dom.

The particualr incident that has insensed me was not a task, however.

Thank you for your wise words.

~Swash~

 

[Shadowsdream]

THank you Shadowsdream.

I agree, if a submissive were instructed to a task for the Dom it would be done for the Dom.

The particualr incident that has insensed me was not a task, however.

Thank you for your wise words.

~Swash~

My pleasure... I am a bit of a sub advocate on occassion ~~grin~~ can translate to pain in the ass I suppose!

 

[Wizard]

it belongs to the submissive..unless gifted to the Dominant without pressure...
one more unless...
IF the Dominant has set the task to the submissive to do creative work on their behalf and the submissive does so knowing the intent.

I like to come up with comments on my own but here I have to echo what shadow has said.......It belongs to the sub.

 

[Swashbuckler]

But what a ~sswweeett~ pain in the ass you must be...

Thanks again.

And I am a sub advocate myself. Being a switch I take it as a certain duty to stand up and shake trees once in a while.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Thank you Wizard, dare I say that there is a conscensus forming so early in the morning before coffee.

 

[Wizard]

Thank you Wizard, dare I say that there is a conscensus forming so early in the morning before coffee.

12:23 here I had my 2 cups of coffee shoveled snow and now am getting ready to watch the race on tv........I am up and wide awake...lol

 

[Honey_B]

My thanks to Swash for opening this thread. This is an issue very near and dear to my heart.

This Valentine's Day, I conceived of a sonnet, which I sent to someone, dedicating it to him as a gift. Without informing me, he submitted the poem to LIT's main page, under his own name. It was only after the fact, that I was informed. He did let me know that he credited me with writing the poem, but he used my real name. Indeed, I feel that to be another violation of trust.

In case you are curious, here is the poem in question:

"A Spirit Set Free"
This woman bound, her thinking chained by him,
A lover shrouded in the distant past.
Time's passing, life's twists and turns do not dim,
The terrible fear that held her aghast.
To submit, to cede to another One,
Her power, self-determination. To
Negate a vow that this would not be done,
Find her submissive side, she would not do.
A Voice in the dark. His words ringing out,
He speaks to her soul. Defenses destroyed,
A bolt of lightning shattering her doubt.
Gone is the artifice she once employed.
Dawn breaks. The promise of surrender sweet,
It lifts her spirit, bowing to His feet.

I am anxious to hear feedback as I am quite beside myself and it would help to sort out my feelings.

 

[~ Emmeline ~]

Honey_B, I would be very upset if that happened to me, too. I would think that you could e-mail someone in charge at that area to have the item removed, especially since your real name appears on it (privacy reasons) He did not have your consent, even if he 'thought' he was doing something nice for you.

Once removed, the choice to re-submit should be yours.

 

[MissTaken]

I would think that if a Dominant were interested in any claim to the work of his or her submissive's creative mind, that should be discussed openly prior to accepting any gift from her, including submission.

If you, as a Dominant were to engage in negotiations with a submissive who was a painter and felt that her paintings were your work, wouldn't it be honorable to discuss this as soon as the thought crossed your mind?

Frankly, Honey B, I don't view that act of this Dominant as honorable by any stretch of the imagination.

I am interested to know how he gave you credit, though. Did he state that he didn't write the poem or did he share responsibility for the poem's creation with you?

In any event, I empathize with you. I can understand your confusion and concern and perhaps, my opinion is too strong to be helpful, but it just seems to me that boundaries adn trust have been seriously tampered with in this situation.

As to your poem....it is wonderful! Thank you for sharing it with us!

I love how you have set down in words and imagery the freedom of self that accompanies submission.

Bravo!

 

[Ebonyfire]

it belongs to the submissive..unless gifted to the Dominant without pressure...
one more unless...
IF the Dominant has set the task to the submissive to do creative work on their behalf and the submissive does so knowing the intent.

I agree with Shadowsdream.

 

[MissTaken]

Honey_B, I would be very upset if that happened to me, too. I would think that you could e-mail someone in charge at that area to have the item removed, especially since your real name appears on it (privacy reasons) He did not have your consent, even if he 'thought' he was doing something nice for you.

Once removed, the choice to re-submit should be yours.

I am sorry.

I got so carried away with my opinions that I forgot to answer in my best moderator's voice.

Yes, if I were you, I would pm the webmasters and ask that the poem be removed. Now, they may tell you that they cannot do so based simply upon your word, but at the very least, they may remove your name.

Best wishes.

 

[SexyChele]

This goes way beyond a Dominant/submissive thing. This is plagerism - despite the fact that he mentions your name. The sonnet is still listed and copywrited as his submission.

Honey_b, I would contact Laurel and let her know the facts of the situation. I'm certain she would rather remove the sonnet and retain good feelings, allowing you to re-submit if you desire, than to leave it up with the potential of causing bad feelings.

It's a lovely sonnet, but if it violates your trust in another individual, then I would think that beauty would be tarnished in your own eyes.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.


(P.S. I think you may find a more sympathetic audience to the real question of submitting personally written material on the Poetry Feedback forum. This is a great place to discuss the proposed questioned question put for by Swash, but I think there is a deeper problem at stake. Just my take.)



Edited to add: I've looked up the person in question who submitted your poem. It seems he has done the same twice before you. He has submitted poems that were written by other people. I'm not certain what Literotica's take is on this issue, but it just doesn't sit right with me. If some one sent me something, and specifically told me they wanted me to submit it to Lit, I would refuse. Even though I might make mention of the person's name, it somehow has an unethical ring to it. Especially in one of this person's submissions where he allegedly received a letter that he posted. Bad. Very bad, in my opinion.

Honey_B, I would strongly suggest you contact Laurel. If this only affected you, I would leave well enough alone and allow you to handle it as you wish. However, I shall be contacting Laurel to find out exactly where Literotica stands on this issue. This is something that could happen to any one of us, and I would like to know what Laurel thinks of such a situation.

 

[Goddess Helena]

I agree with Shadowsdream.

As do I.


Helena

 

[Honey_B]

Thank you to one and all for your support. I should have stated that I immediately e-mailed the submission board to let them know what had happened. I forwarded the original e-mail when I sent the poem to the person in question as proof that it was my original work. Yet, I see that it has been posted now. In all fairness, the person in question has submitted his own e-mail retracting the submission. I can only wait to see what happens.

 

[SexyChele]

Thank you to one and all for your support. I should have stated that I immediately e-mailed the submission board to let them know what had happened. I forwarded the original e-mail when I sent the poem to the person in question as proof that it was my original work. Yet, I see that it has been posted now. In all fairness, the person in question has submitted his own e-mail retracting the submission. I can only wait to see what happens.

It depends on when all items were received. It takes 3 days for a submission to be posted to Lit. And I think (but am not certain) that after a certain time, there is not much that can be done. It might be set up that the server is set to post "x" stories on a certain date. If that is true, Laurel may not have received your information in time to stop it. However, I would check tomorrow morning. New submissions go up around midnight Pacific time, and she may have it set up to be taken down tomorrow.