A letter to Artfuls dream

Ishmael

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Dear Artfuls dream,

You have used more than one of the forums here at Literotica to post personal correspondence. Spiteful correspondence. What is your goal in doing this? Do you suppose that your behavior is going to make the individual in question change their mind? Or do you suppose that you are going to find a well spring of sympathy with this behavior?

Your behavior is called controling negative behavior. It is based on the concept that you can control a person by shaming them or threatening self injury. It IS NOT the behavior of a sub. Or of any mature adult regardless of their sexual preferences.

What you are doing reflects a great deal more on you than anyother person. What has happened has been self-inflicted. You brought all of this on yourself and while we may feel sorry for you, I for one, do not feel all that sorry at all.

My primary concern is for your child(ren). Why? Because you are mentally unstable. You are desperately in need of professional care. Extended care.

I further hope that anyone reading this who may know you well enough to know where you live is concerned enough, and cares enough, to notify the appropriate agency to see that you and your child(ren) get the care that appears to be so badly needed.

I do wish you the best and I hope that your recovery is swift.

Ishmael
 
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Well put and good advice. I'm glad someone took the time to post it... and put it so eloquently.

PBW
 
I have to second PBW's words. But then, Ish has a way of stating things so well...
 
Ishmael said:
Dear Artfuls dream,

You have used more than one of the forums here at Literotica to post personal correspondence. Spiteful correspondence. What is your goal in doing this? Do you suppose that your behavior is going to make the individual in question change their mind? Or do you suppose that you are going to find a well spring of sympathy with this behavior?

Your behavior is called controling negative behavior. It is based on the concept that you can control a person by shaming them or threatening self injury. It IS NOT the behavior of a sub. Or of any mature adult regardless of their sexual preferences.

What you are doing reflects a great deal more on you than anyother person. What has happened has been self-inflicted. You brought all of this on yourself and while we may feel sorry for you, I for one, do not feel all that sorry at all.

My primary concern is for your child(ren). Why? Because you are mentally unstable. You are desperately in need of professional care. Extended care.

I further hope that anyone reading this who may know you well enough to know where you live is concerned enough, and cares enough, to notify the appropriate agency to see that you and your child(ren) get the care that appears to be so badly needed.

I do wish you the best and I hope that your recovery is swift.

Ishmael

Well done Ish, If I had said it I would be accused of being "mean" . It is good advice from a fair and impartial source.

Eb
 
ISH..

NIVE way to attack someone who is already down ,what was done to me couldve been done in a lot painless manner but so nice to hear there are MORE DOMINANTS out there with the same uncaring attitude as yours I am getting my help tomorrow ,for myself and my son whose life Artful also fucked with in al, this not tyhat I give a DAMn if you care or not ,I neede 1 extra day to spend with my "baby " to explain why mommy is goin away.. You my dear can take your opinion of me and shove it ok? Artful SAID I was a GOOD sub but tyhen again Artful SAID He would see me through all this and I have not heard from HIM at all ,so much for TRUTH :( not to evev mention "LOVE":(
 
Re: ISH..

Artful's dream said:
NIVE way to attack someone who is already down ,what was done to me couldve been done in a lot painless manner but so nice to hear there are MORE DOMINANTS out there with the same uncaring attitude as yours I am getting my help tomorrow ,for myself and my son whose life Artful also fucked with in al, this not tyhat I give a DAMn if you care or not ,I neede 1 extra day to spend with my "baby " to explain why mommy is goin away.. You my dear can take your opinion of me and shove it ok? Artful SAID I was a GOOD sub but tyhen again Artful SAID He would see me through all this and I have not heard from HIM at all ,so much for TRUTH :( not to evev mention "LOVE":(

I sincerely hope you get the help you need.

Ishmael
 
Thank you for the thread Ish. I couldn't have said it any better myself.
 
Ishmael said:
It IS NOT the behavior of a sub.

Me thinks you speak from your posterior aperture. She's Often annoying, Always amusing, Definitely in bad taste....but Artfuls [sic] dream sounds like a twenty-four carat submissive sex slave to me. Don't let 'em get you down, baby.

rr
 
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rosco rathbone said:
Me thinks you speak from your posterior aperture. She's Often annoying, Always amusing, Definitely in bad taste....but Artfuls [sic] dream sounds like a twenty-four carat submissive sex slave to me. Don't let 'em get you down, baby.

rr

Whatever. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Simple.

Ishmael
 
Desdemona said:
Thank you for the thread Ish. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Yes, well said. This was an objective breath of fresh air that I am sure will not be inhaled by the one who seems to need it the most.

Thank you, too.
 
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rosco rathbone said:
....but Artfuls [sic] dream sounds like a twenty-four carat submissive sex slave to me.

It looks like she's available if you're looking.
 
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Rubyfruit said:
It looks like she's available if you're looking.

Picture that....a Walmart employee and a construction worker....

Wait. It sounds plausible.....dream.....I'm just a humble gnome but I see your inner beauty....

just fuckin with ya darlin. But don't let the "hatas" bum your trip.

rr
 
as i wish for you

all the same pain and suffering I am feeling right now and just for your info ISH ,You DID NOT write the book on how subs behave so your opinion is just that ONLY your opinion ,period and even if 100's agree with you ,you will NOT change the FACT that I AM a GOOD SUB Artful said so Himself ,He chose to leave because He loved me enough to do what HE thought was BEST for me ,however He and other DOMS have been known to be WRONG before !!:D :p

*8 as for whether I am * available or not ,Ruby dear , THAT will remain MY Decision to make and NOT yours or ANYBODY elses ,hope you UNDERSTAND that !
 
Re;Roscoe,lmfao

You totally crack me up! wait according to SOME ,I am ALREADY there!MWAHAHHAHAH

But I do GET your last post ,anyone can say the 'flowery words to a sub but It takes a REAL Dom to complete the WALK .. guess Artful just got too tired to carry me anymore ,I became a BURDEN He could NOT bear .. thats ok I forgive Him for hurting ME , now let's see if He can be man enough to do the same?(wont hold my "submissive lil breath here mind you ):D
 
I am glad to see you are moving forward, Dream.

I was afraid you didnt' understand why he did what he did. We can understand, but may not always like it. IT hurts.

Regardless of the tone, the message in this thread is clear. Take care of YOU! That is a good message, I think. :)

As for your comment about opinions...

Applause!
We all have our opinions.
No one's opinion is more important because of who they are or how many posts they have or whatever. An opinion is just an opinion is just an opinion and will always be an opinion.

Regardless, everyone's opinion here is ...take care.

Whenever any relationship ends, it is a good time to turn into ourselves, hug ourselves, do lots of bubble baths and free thinking. Lick the wounds and find our inner strength, then move forward.
We don't get our energy or strength from others. IF we do, it is false and fragile.
Get it from yourself.
You are a woman. You are not part of a whole. You are a whole person. Rely on you, draw on your own resources.

Maybe then, someday, your gift can be offered, accepted and cherished as you so hope it will.

I am sorry if this has been hurtful for you to bring to the board. I know I have learned a lesson about how much to share on the bulletin boards. IT can really bite you in the ass.

I have a license for babbling....it comes in the NYQUIL package.
 
re;Miss T

MissTaken said:
I am glad to see you are moving forward, Dream.

I was afraid you didnt' understand why he did what he did. We can understand, but may not always like it. IT hurts.

Regardless of the tone, the message in this thread is clear. Take care of YOU! That is a good message, I think. :)

As for your comment about opinions...

Applause!
We all have our opinions.
No one's opinion is more important because of who they are or how many posts they have or whatever. An opinion is just an opinion is just an opinion and will always be an opinion.

Regardless, everyone's opinion here is ...take care.

Whenever any relationship ends, it is a good time to turn into ourselves, hug ourselves, do lots of bubble baths and free thinking. Lick the wounds and find our inner strength, then move forward.
We don't get our energy or strength from others. IF we do, it is false and fragile.
Get it from yourself.
You are a woman. You are not part of a whole. You are a whole person. Rely on you, draw on your own resources.

Maybe then, someday, your gift can be offered, accepted and cherished as you so hope it will.

I am sorry if this has been hurtful for you to bring to the board. I know I have learned a lesson about how much to share on the bulletin boards. IT can really bite you in the ass.

I have a license for babbling....it comes in the NYQUIL package.

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No I never said I understood what He did cause I truly dont ,I do feel I have a right to hear from Him in some fashion as the last 5 mos of my life was dedicated to him but you are CORRECT I DO ,I really DO wish to find someone who will truly APPRECIATE my gift of submission and not RUN at the first hint of Trouble ,esp if the 2 people are SPOSE to be "in love" ty Miss T .. I FELT cherished by Artful I really did ,now all I can feel is USED I hateit but it's the honest TRUTH:(
 
I'D just LIKE to SEE you BOTH replaced WITH ppl WHO didn't CAPITALIZE every OTHER word.
 
WriterDom said:
I'D just LIKE to SEE you BOTH replaced WITH ppl WHO didn't CAPITALIZE every OTHER word.


SOMEONE is CAPITALIZING every OTHER word?

Eb
 
I hope you are feeling better MissT.

Eb

MissTaken said:
I am glad to see you are moving forward, Dream.

I was afraid you didnt' understand why he did what he did. We can understand, but may not always like it. IT hurts.

Regardless of the tone, the message in this thread is clear. Take care of YOU! That is a good message, I think. :)

As for your comment about opinions...

Applause!
We all have our opinions.
No one's opinion is more important because of who they are or how many posts they have or whatever. An opinion is just an opinion is just an opinion and will always be an opinion.

Regardless, everyone's opinion here is ...take care.

Whenever any relationship ends, it is a good time to turn into ourselves, hug ourselves, do lots of bubble baths and free thinking. Lick the wounds and find our inner strength, then move forward.
We don't get our energy or strength from others. IF we do, it is false and fragile.
Get it from yourself.
You are a woman. You are not part of a whole. You are a whole person. Rely on you, draw on your own resources.

Maybe then, someday, your gift can be offered, accepted and cherished as you so hope it will.

I am sorry if this has been hurtful for you to bring to the board. I know I have learned a lesson about how much to share on the bulletin boards. IT can really bite you in the ass.

I have a license for babbling....it comes in the NYQUIL package.
 
Ebonyfire said:
I hope you are feeling better MissT.

Eb

Thanks, EB!

I am fine until I lie down, then I cough like a maniac. :(

So, no lying around for me!
 
Re: re;Miss T

~Dream~ said:
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No I never said I understood what He did cause I truly dont ,I do feel I have a right to hear from Him in some fashion as the last 5 mos of my life was dedicated to him but you are CORRECT I DO ,I really DO wish to find someone who will truly APPRECIATE my gift of submission and not RUN at the first hint of Trouble ,esp if the 2 people are SPOSE to be "in love" ty Miss T .. I FELT cherished by Artful I really did ,now all I can feel is USED I hateit but it's the honest TRUTH:(

Every loss is a learning experience, truly.

I have thought about what a waste the ten years was wtih my ex husband and he didn't love or cherish me in any respect.

Then, I realize, I would not be who I am without that experience. I learned a lot.
I grew.
The pain helped me as well as ached.

Gotta keep moving on!
 
Writer Dom

WriterDom said:
I'D just LIKE to SEE you BOTH replaced WITH ppl WHO didn't CAPITALIZE every OTHER word.
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And I'd just like to see YOU replaced by someone who wasnt such a popmpous Ass ,lmfao too bad you dont "dig '; my backwards hillbilly type aka 'relaxed" typing skilss now isnt it? what a damn shame ,and I just May Lose sleep over it also !! =NOT !!:D
 
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