A Higher Chat Thread

[tn_8tiv]

totally agree..... I just can't see it happening.... and I'm glad.... Its not for me to say what others can do!!

This is one of the most personal issues people face. It goes to the very heart of social, political and religious views of each and every person. I personally believe it still boils down to a person's right to choose. Any woman who is the victim of abuse should have the "SOLE" right to choose to abort the unwanted results of that abuse IF SHE SO CHOOSES. If the abortion is based on simply not wanting to have a child when the sexual union was concensual, that is a different situation requiring the consent of both parties. But that again shows that there needs to be additional emphasis placed on the morality of casual sex and that too is a matter of personal Choice. If two people CHOOSE to have a "one night stand", and do so in an unprotected manner, the potential should be known that an unwanted child could result. It's not too difficult to say NO to unprotected sex and don't tell me that you get caught up in the heat of the moment. If lust is that dominate, then be aware that you may be blessed with a pregnancy. If you're a guy, go prepared...if you're a woman, say NO until the guy is prepared.

But in the end, I still believe this is an issue that should be left out of the political arena and placed in the hands of medical professionals and the individual's right to choose.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Cathleen]

This is one of the most personal issues people face. It goes to the very heart of social, political and religious views of each and every person. I personally believe it still boils down to a person's right to choose. Any woman who is the victim of abuse should have the "SOLE" right to choose to abort the unwanted results of that abuse IF SHE SO CHOOSES. If the abortion is based on simply not wanting to have a child when the sexual union was concensual, that is a different situation requiring the consent of both parties. But that again shows that there needs to be additional emphasis placed on the morality of casual sex and that too is a matter of personal Choice. If two people CHOOSE to have a "one night stand", and do so in an unprotected manner, the potential should be known that an unwanted child could result. It's not too difficult to say NO to unprotected sex and don't tell me that you get caught up in the heat of the moment. If lust is that dominate, then be aware that you may be blessed with a pregnancy. If you're a guy, go prepared...if you're a woman, say NO until the guy is prepared.

But in the end, I still believe this is an issue that should be left out of the political arena and placed in the hands of medical professionals and the individual's right to choose.

Just my thoughts.

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[Cathleen]

This is one of the most personal issues people face. It goes to the very heart of social, political and religious views of each and every person. I personally believe it still boils down to a person's right to choose. Any woman who is the victim of abuse should have the "SOLE" right to choose to abort the unwanted results of that abuse IF SHE SO CHOOSES. If the abortion is based on simply not wanting to have a child when the sexual union was concensual, that is a different situation requiring the consent of both parties. But that again shows that there needs to be additional emphasis placed on the morality of casual sex and that too is a matter of personal Choice. If two people CHOOSE to have a "one night stand", and do so in an unprotected manner, the potential should be known that an unwanted child could result. It's not too difficult to say NO to unprotected sex and don't tell me that you get caught up in the heat of the moment. If lust is that dominate, then be aware that you may be blessed with a pregnancy. If you're a guy, go prepared...if you're a woman, say NO until the guy is prepared.

But in the end, I still believe this is an issue that should be left out of the political arena and placed in the hands of medical professionals and the individual's right to choose.

Just my thoughts.

I do think morality comes into this issue..... however, since many in our country are extreme secularists, and want God/Religion and the like, out of our daily life, then we are doomed.....I think there is a place for God in our society.... we are founded upon a Judeo-Christian believe system. I feel it is important to maintain those believes in our life, for the good of all of us. I mean if anything goes, behavior wise, then everything goes ~ out the window!!

just my thoughts too.....

 

[tn_8tiv]

I do think morality comes into this issue..... however, since many in our country are extreme secularists, and want God/Religion and the like, out of our daily life, then we are doomed.....I think there is a place for God in our society.... we are founded upon a Judeo-Christian believe system. I feel it is important to maintain those believes in our life, for the good of all of us. I mean if anything goes, behavior wise, then everything goes ~ out the window!!

just my thoughts too.....

So true. Our entire judicial system is based on the principles outlined in religious tenets. But religion is a personal issue also. We have the right to believe in a higher God. That is the choice God gave each of us. If we choose to deny that choice, that is our right. I personally feel like the young child at Christmas when ask if he believed in Santa...his answer was "I may not, but now isn't the time to discuss it.

 

[higherlevel4u]

Religious issue?

Don't get me started .....

As I am an agnostic, rather than an atheist .... there may well BE a God, but I certainly don't know where he is ..... or see any evidence of HIM, apart from innumerable wars, deaths and destruction, all done in His name .......

Although, I must admit, a lot of people in this world feel the need to believe in something, and I wouldn't decry them for that ..... I personally don't feel the need for a 'guiding' force to help me through my life.

There are so many thorny issues raised here, we could go on and on ...... such as if there isn't a God, and therefore He didn't create the Universe, then who or what did?

I, my friends, have NOT got the answers to these questions, along with the rest of the human race ..... but one can have a lot of fun debating them .....

 

[Saoirse]

I dont know what exactly I believe in. I was brought up a Catholic.... but I firmly believe that rather than being a pious person who goes to Church every week or whatever.. that we ALL could benefit from having a more Christian attitude. To me being a good person is what is important.

I believe that there is an afterlife of some sorts... not necessarily heaven and hell. But that the spirit lives on in a different form. I think it would be too depressing to think that there isnt a higher Being who knows what He is doing!

But thats just me.....

 

[higherlevel4u]

I dont know what exactly I believe in. I was brought up a Catholic.... but I firmly believe that rather than being a pious person who goes to Church every week or whatever.. that we ALL could benefit from having a more Christian attitude. To me being a good person is what is important.

I believe that there is an afterlife of some sorts... not necessarily heaven and hell. But that the spirit lives on in a different form. I think it would be too depressing to think that there isnt a higher Being who knows what He is doing!

But thats just me.....

Hi Sao .... I agree we all could benefit from having a more 'Christian' attitude, but having said that, all that means is being a well-adjusted member of a civilised society ..... one able to respect his fellow man, get along with all sorts of people and obey the laws of the land (in a democratically elected country). You can't pick and choose which laws to obey ...... you have to obey them all, and if you don't like laws the government passes, then vote them out .....

There's nothing worse than hearing someone moaning about the state of the country and then finding out that he/she couldn't be bothered to vote last time because "it won't make any difference, will it?"

 

[Saoirse]

If we all had that attitude what is the point of having a democracy hey??

 

[higherlevel4u]

If we all had that attitude what is the point of having a democracy hey??

Exactly, my dear Sao .....

 

[tn_8tiv]

To me being a good person is what is important.

But thats just me.....

Now this is something we can all agree on Saoirse. My question would be...how do you define a "good" person? Is it based on characteristics outlined in religious philosophy? My point is that no matter what our individual beliefs are (yes Higher, that includes agnostics), when you boil it all down, there is a foundation that takes you to a religion.

Now Higher, as far as your comment "innumerable wars, deaths and destruction, all done in His name "

those events are the result of human choices, not His choice. We can blame God for our faults. As I stated earlier, we are given the right of free choice. If some of us choose to wage war, destruction, etc. those are what we choose. That doesn't make it right. Osama Bin Laden believes it is the right and duty of his followers to die for Allah. That is his choice. We have to right to disagree. When OBL's choice causes death and destruction, we have the right to defend ourselves. While that may lead to additional death and destruction, to allow the terrorism to continue unabated would lead to far greater havoc than what we have done to the extremists such as OBL.

Is this a "Holy" war? I don't believe it is since both the Judeo-Christian and Muslim religions have the same God.

Anyway, just thought I would share my thoughts.

 

[Saoirse]

now... what other problems are there for us to solve???

 

[tn_8tiv]

now... what other problems are there for us to solve???

I can think of one Saoirse...

and it is a little more sensuous

 

[Saoirse]

do tell.......!!!

why do I get the feeling I am going to regret asking!!!!

 

[tn_8tiv]

do tell.......!!!

why do I get the feeling I am going to regret asking!!!!

Are you absolutely sure you are ready to solve this problem?

actually, I was just reading your stories and guess where the problem arose?

 

[Saoirse]

*blushing*....... errrrrrrrrr....... I can imagine!!!!!

 

[higherlevel4u]

Right, this particular overworked, underpaid Englishman is off home for the night ...... if I don't get back, I hope everyone has a good evening, and indeed a great weekend ..... au revoir, mes amis

 

[Saoirse]

Bon Soir Mon Ami..... have a great weekend!!!

 

[tn_8tiv]

Bon Soir Mon Ami..... have a great weekend!!!

Ok Saoirse...here's the problem.

What attracts people to sex chat sites like this? Many are married yet we are drawn to post on threads that have sexual overtones. Is there something missing from our lives that is fulfilled by chatting sexually with others?

 

[DLL]

Originally posted by tn_8tiv
Ok Saoirse...here's the problem.

What attracts people to sex chat sites like this? Many are married yet we are drawn to post on threads that have sexual overtones. Is there something missing from our lives that is fulfilled by chatting sexually with others?

i dont chat sexually with anyone I thought this was the young republicans chat site....

 

[DLL]

Originally posted by tn_8tiv
Ok Saoirse...here's the problem.

What attracts people to sex chat sites like this? Many are married yet we are drawn to post on threads that have sexual overtones. Is there something missing from our lives that is fulfilled by chatting sexually with others?

i can only answer that q from my point of view i enjoy chat here its a great break from the work day and such ...for me its not what is lacking in my life..its what I am adding to it

 

[tn_8tiv]

i can only answer that q from my point of view i enjoy chat here its a great break from the work day and such ...for me its not what is lacking in my life..its what I am adding to it

Good answer DLL. I do believe everyone needs to broaden their life experiences whenever possible. Yes, chat here does break up the work day. But personally speaking, there is a certain special person that fulfill a deeper need that I have. She makes me laugh, feel all warm and fuzzy inside and makes everyday a special day. Those are some of the things I seek when I come to Lit. And as long as she provides these things, I'll stick around.

 

[Cathleen]

Now this is something we can all agree on Saoirse. My question would be...how do you define a "good" person? Is it based on characteristics outlined in religious philosophy? My point is that no matter what our individual beliefs are (yes Higher, that includes agnostics), when you boil it all down, there is a foundation that takes you to a religion.

Now Higher, as far as your comment "innumerable wars, deaths and destruction, all done in His name "

those events are the result of human choices, not His choice. We can blame God for our faults. As I stated earlier, we are given the right of free choice. If some of us choose to wage war, destruction, etc. those are what we choose. That doesn't make it right. Osama Bin Laden believes it is the right and duty of his followers to die for Allah. That is his choice. We have to right to disagree. When OBL's choice causes death and destruction, we have the right to defend ourselves. While that may lead to additional death and destruction, to allow the terrorism to continue unabated would lead to far greater havoc than what we have done to the extremists such as OBL.

Is this a "Holy" war? I don't believe it is since both the Judeo-Christian and Muslim religions have the same God.

Anyway, just thought I would share my thoughts.

A good person is one who will strive for the best in themselves and others. They will grow in love and enlightment. They will add goodness to their lives as well as those around them. They have behaviors that are conducive to a moral plain of rightness. They will do the least wrong possible towards others and themselves. They will give what they have in their hearts, knowing that it will be replaced ten fold. They will accept the gifts of God/Higher Power/Spirit/Nature and treat them with the respect deserved and return them to the world. A good person knows right from wrong and while will fall to temptations will make ammends to their fellow humans as well as their God/Higher Power etc. They will act according to the laws of this God/H.P.etc realizing that they are not perfect, but are the best example they can become. They will show love, kindness, gentleness, compassion and empathy to all living creatures. They will take the time to learn of this world and any world that may come next. A good person lives. We find them everyday, we just have to open our eyes and smile upon them, and allow them to help us become a good person too.

A good person was my mother.

 

[higherlevel4u]

A good person is one who will strive for the best in themselves and others. They will grow in love and enlightment. They will add goodness to their lives as well as those around them. They have behaviors that are conducive to a moral plain of rightness. They will do the least wrong possible towards others and themselves. They will give what they have in their hearts, knowing that it will be replaced ten fold. They will accept the gifts of God/Higher Power/Spirit/Nature and treat them with the respect deserved and return them to the world. A good person knows right from wrong and while will fall to temptations will make ammends to their fellow humans as well as their God/Higher Power etc. They will act according to the laws of this God/H.P.etc realizing that they are not perfect, but are the best example they can become. They will show love, kindness, gentleness, compassion and empathy to all living creatures. They will take the time to learn of this world and any world that may come next. A good person lives. We find them everyday, we just have to open our eyes and smile upon them, and allow them to help us become a good person too.

A good person was my mother.

Well said, Cate!

As you so rightly say, in our hearts, we know what is "right" and "wrong" and I don't think there is a need for a God to enable us to live in harmony and peace with one another .....

 

[higherlevel4u]

Thought for the day: Saturday

LONDON - Londoners passing through Trafalgar Square can be forgiven for continuing their journey in bemusement this week. To be confronted by two people reading aloud inside a glass box is not entirely usual.

As the two read off years from a book, their voices are amplified by speakers to a largely puzzled London audience.

"Reading One Million Years" is a work of conceptual art by the Japanese artist On Kawara, and is a reflection of his preoccupation with the passage and marking of time.

Sixteen live performers working eight-hour shifts, take it in turn reading off lists of years in sequence one hour at a time before resting.

The exhibition is due to run 24 hours a day until the end of the week.

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So what's YOUR view on "Conceptual Art" such as this .....

 

[Cathleen]

Well said, Cate!

As you so rightly say, in our hearts, we know what is "right" and "wrong" and I don't think there is a need for a God to enable us to live in harmony and peace with one another .....

no problem from me no that Higher.... Faith makes me feel good and more attached to my heart and soul...... it gives me a foundation.....