75 years since Hiroshima.

[oggbashan]

Disputed and divided for a long time before the war,
but not Japan proper...

Some of the smaller islands were. And as yet there is no peace treaty between the Japanese and Russians.

 

[FescueFan]

Before the White/American/western guilt and self flagellation begins and we all are encouraged to get on one knee and kiss Japanese ass, just remember, always remember, Japan allied itself with the Nazi's against the Allies and was guilty of some terrible war crimes. This will likely be lost in the debate.

Doesn't matter, they aren't white, therefor the USA is EVIL!! It's all that horrible whiteness!!!

At any time, but especially in a time before internet, in a place without free press, anyone who blames the Japanese civilian victims for the actions of their unelected government is a collosal cunt. I don't have white guilt, but I do have sympathy for the lives lost on both sides (with the exception of those who orchestrated committed atrocities).

Whether it was justified or not, whether it saved lives in the long run or not, Hiroshima was a tragic and terrible event.

You cut the Nazi state supporting German civilians the same slack right???

I mean, they didn't know.

Or is that different because they are just so damned WHITE???

 

[SpeareChucker]

You might want to edit that...


their fore?

 

[FescueFan]

You might want to edit that...


their fore?

Thanks, I miss some of the computer corrections that aren't actually corrections.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I've been done in a time or two by just that exact thing.

 

[dolf]

You cut the Nazi state supporting German civilians the same slack right???

I mean, they didn't know.

Or is that different because they are just so damned WHITE???

The children, and the adults who didn't support the persecution of their own citizens for racist and ableist reasons? Absolutely. Not everyone voted for Hitler, not everyone broke windows and informed on Jews in hiding.

You're desperate to see some white persecution. Why?

 

[dolf]

[
Back on topic. The US' firebombing of Toyko caused more deaths and homelessness than Hiroshima. If the US had continued firebombing instead of using nuclear bombs - more Japanese would have died. The use of nuclear bombs convinced the Japanese military that they were facing a weapon they couldn't fight. Even though their cities were being reduced to square miles of ashes they wanted to fight on the Japanese mainland until the last Japanese. The cost in lives lost to the Allies and the Japanese would have been enormous. The nuclear weapons persuaded the military government that they could surrender with no loss of face because they were being attacked by a new weapon they couldn't resist.

PS. The Russians did declare war on Japan and invaded. They still occupy half of what had been a Japanese island.

I agree that it may well have prevented a worse nuclear event later, perhaps even an apocalyptic event between the USA and USSR. We'll never know how that alternative timeline would have ended up... Probably... I'm a bit of a sci-fi fan.

 

[surdeep]

I agree that it may well have prevented a worse nuclear event later, perhaps even an apocalyptic event between the USA and USSR. We'll never know how that alternative timeline would have ended up... Probably... I'm a bit of a sci-fi fan.

You seem so certain.

 

[dolf]

You seem so certain.

Being certain about the unknown isn't a sign of intelligence.

 

[WillJ8787]

Only by knowing actual history will one not repeat past mistakes.

The Japanese bombed pearl, the circumstances around this event are still being disputed today and it is clear they were an aggressor(obviously).

The Japanese fiercely responded to our unilateral fire bombing of civilian targets. We started it...they responded and defended their homeland so fiercely that the bomb(s) was finally used....
.... again, on civilians. This is a war crime and atrocity inspite of the outcome (real and imagined).

In WWII, the US lost some 400,000 lives in combat(related) activities. We entered way late, only thank to Japan, which was a deciding event to enter the war.

US propaganda from this times to today say, "US saved the world from Hitler and ended the war" or some similar bullshit like this.

35 million (give or take) Russians lost their lives in WWII and the total lost is up near 65 million. Most historians agree on similar numbers...the people who saved the world have gone unrecognized by the US. It's propaganda, what most people think.

 

[FescueFan]

The children, and the adults who didn't support the persecution of their own citizens for racist and ableist reasons? Absolutely. Not everyone voted for Hitler, not everyone broke windows and informed on Jews in hiding.

But silence is violence!!

It's complicity!

I just don't see why you can't hold white people responsible for the sins of their entire race across all of history.

You understand that makes you a white supremacist right?

You're desperate to see some white persecution. Why?

Incorrect, white persecution/guilt is RAMPANT in both our cultures....you can't look at an MSM source or even commercials for the most mundane of products without seeing #WhitePeople/menBAD!!!! virtue signaling.

And I'm poking fun at the racist idiots of "woke" who buy into the righteousness of their hatred of white people for being white. ESPECIALLY when they consider it being anti-racist.....to be definitively racist.

 

[FescueFan]

Only by knowing actual history will one not repeat past mistakes.

The Japanese bombed pearl, the circumstances around this event are still being disputed today and it is clear they were an aggressor(obviously).

The Japanese fiercely responded to our unilateral fire bombing of civilian targets. We started it...they responded and defended their homeland so fiercely that the bomb(s) was finally used....
.... again, on civilians. This is a war crime and atrocity inspite of the outcome (real and imagined).

In WWII, the US lost some 400,000 lives in combat(related) activities. We entered way late, only thank to Japan, which was a deciding event to enter the war.

US propaganda from this times to today say, "US saved the world from Hitler and ended the war" or some similar bullshit like this.

35 million (give or take) Russians lost their lives in WWII and the total lost is up near 65 million. Most historians agree on similar numbers...the people who saved the world have gone unrecognized by the US. It's propaganda, what most people think.

That's because in the end, the commies were NO BETTER than the Nazis....far worse in fact.

 

[surdeep]

About 400,000 American lives lost in WW2 in about 4 Years.

About 200,000 American lives lost in about 6 months to Covid.


https://d2nyfqh3g1stw3.cloudfront.net/photos/featured_jokes_rdp_Rosie_the_Riveter_covid_mask__Pat_Stejskal_42172.jpg

 

[hobbit.]

Hey look, y'all, it's one o' them idjits!!!

Stop looking at yourself in the mirror then.

 

[Rightguide]

At any time, but especially in a time before internet, in a place without free press, anyone who blames the Japanese civilian victims for the actions of their unelected government is a collosal cunt. I don't have white guilt, but I do have sympathy for the lives lost on both sides (with the exception of those who orchestrated committed atrocities).

Whether it was justified or not, whether it saved lives in the long run or not, Hiroshima was a tragic and terrible event.

So was WWII, Pearl harbor, the Rape of Nanking, and the rest of the Fascism that led to the deaths of a 75 million people.

 

[oggbashan]

The Japanese started WW2 way before anyone else with their invasion of Manchuria and eventually China.

If the Western democracies had stood up for Ethiopia at the League of Nations then maybe, there wouldn't have been a war in Europe at all. If France had resisted Hitler's remilitarsation of the SAAR and the Rhineland, he wouldn't have been able to move on to other targets.

The UK, often blamed for appeasement, had no choice when France said they wouldn't act. The UK didn't have forces near Italy or Germany. France did but was led by politicians frightened of war after their losses in WW1. Even in 1940 France had many more troops who had never seen a German than the total of German invaders - but the politicians surrendered.

 

[sundries]

At any time, but especially in a time before internet, in a place without free press, anyone who blames the Japanese civilian victims for the actions of their unelected government is a collosal cunt. I don't have white guilt, but I do have sympathy for the lives lost on both sides (with the exception of those who orchestrated committed atrocities).

Whether it was justified or not, whether it saved lives in the long run or not, Hiroshima was a tragic and terrible event.

seriously? so lets just gloss over the atrocities carried out by the Japanese against anyone who they felt was inferior to them - such as women and children and anyone who happened to surrender or be otherwise taken prisoner?

I'm with team dolf on this one.

I'm puzzled that even in this woke day and age,
I hear no debates about the most morally questionable genocidal event in History.

I see Busybody being labelled a murderous nazi for screaming the 'n' wrds at the clouds on a porn board, Trump being called a murderer in the making for putting 'kids in cages' (whereas Obama, who did 2wice the same - not)
--- but nothing about Hiroshima.

 

[surdeep]

So was WWII, Pearl harbor, the Rape of Nanking, and the rest of the Fascism that led to the deaths of a 75 million people.

Don't forget the fire bombing of Dresden!

 

[oggbashan]

...

I see Busybody being labelled a murderous nazi for screaming the 'n' wrds at the clouds on a porn board, Trump being called a murderer in the making for putting 'kids in cages' (whereas Obama, who did 2wice the same - not)
--- but nothing about Hiroshima.

Or the Rape of Nanking, the chemical experiments on the Chinese, the death of thousands of prisoners of war, the forced 'comfort girls'...

 

[Rightguide]

Don't forget the fire bombing of Dresden!

Hamburg might have been worse, but tough shit. The Germans shouldn't have declared war on the US.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm with team dolf on this one.

I'm puzzled that even in this woke day and age,
I hear no debates about the most morally questionable genocidal event in History.

I see Busybody being labelled a murderous nazi for screaming the 'n' wrds at the clouds on a porn board, Trump being called a murderer in the making for putting 'kids in cages' (whereas Obama, who did 2wice the same - not)
--- but nothing about Hiroshima.

It's been whined about for years by the left. If today's left were running the country back then we'd be speaking Japanese and German now. The conventional bombing of Tokyo might have killed more people.

 

[sundries]

Or the Rape of Nanking, the chemical experiments on the Chinese,
the death of thousands of prisoners of war, the forced 'comfort girls'...

Gosh, you're right.
And to be less pc:

I would add that Chinese have behaved equally atrociously towards Uygurs, and behaved like racist cunts towards Blacks, Malaysians, Fijians &.
I think that, if you compare races, Asian leaders have been 100 times more brutal than even the most atrocious of White colonists.

Hiroshima&Nagasaki are interesting from that point.
They stopped genocidal regimes in their tracks, but at the cost of innocent people who had nothing to do with the war.

 

[Rightguide]

Gosh, you're right.
And to be less pc:

I would add that Chinese have behaved equally atrociously towards Uygurs, and behaved like racist cunts towards Blacks, Malaysians, Fijians &.
I think that, if you compare races, Asian leaders have been 100 times more brutal than even the most atrocious of White colonists.

Hiroshima&Nagasaki are interesting from that point.
They stopped genocidal regimes in their tracks, but at the cost of innocent people who had nothing to do with the war.

They had everything to do with the war. they supported the Emperor and the war. Their sons were killing Americans and they were producing the material to make it all happen. In war civilian factories and economic infrastructure are legitimate targets.

 

[surdeep]

Hamburg might have been worse, but tough shit. The Germans shouldn't have declared war on the US.

They're only atrocities when they happen to you?

 

[sundries]

It's been whined about for years by the left. If today's left were running the country back then we'd be speaking Japanese and German now. The conventional bombing of Tokyo might have killed more people.

But the other thing is:
Why weren't I (raised in an ex-socialist/commie country) and you (raised in a capitalist one) taught about the duplicitous role of rich industrialists in the war?

I only became aware on Lit., that American and other rich moguls had financed&armed Hitler.
Very few movies -I think only Bugsy- alluded to that.

History has always been written by a subgroup of historians who are selected based on 'the only ones who suck rich cock, will be published.'
Thank God for youtube and the internet. They have their downsides, but they also give a platform to dissenting vouces.