4000 men died on D-Day thanks to bad intelligence...

[huskie]

How many you got?

There's cut-and-run Mookie who recently ordered the Medhi to stand down...

sorry....you said "Civil War" I thought you where talking about the American Civil War which was sincerely a Civil War.......not like whats happening in Iraq.

As far as June 6th. 1944.......I think we did pretty good and where pretty lucky to only loss 4,000 troops that day. All things considered and given the size of operation and technology of the time.

 

[MisterEdMe]

Thank you for being consistent, all of you...

Can any of you name the generals in the "civil" war?

Which civil war might that be?

 

[Drixxx]

Blame everyone but Heretical Islam. It's what they want you to do...

You want the article again?

Heretical Islam is not responsible for the security of the United States. Republican president Bush is. And he has failed. He failed to prevent 9/11 after several warnings. He failed to respond on 9/11. He preferred to read a children's book. He has failed to capture Bin Laden. Preferring to outsource the job to Muslims at Tora Bora. And he has failed to win Iraq.

 

[sigh]

<snip> What is it with Republicans and responsibility? All their failures they try to blame on a Clinton. So pathetic.

Actually, what is it with baby-boomer presidents and responsibilty? We've had two so far and neither one could admit to a mistake if they were on fire and the judge held a mason jar full of gasoline.

 

[MisterEdMe]

Then you should recheck. He went to Congress for permission. They gave it. In fact they even demanded he come back a second time for even more permission because it was an even year and they had to get on record as being hawks for the upcoming elections.

You just cannot single out Republicans when bin laden was the one who set the train in motion...

That's where we got the famous, "I voted against it before I voted for it..."

When Bush is finally percieved as winning again next year, another even year, Democrats will begin to claim the victory as theirs as they claim the surge, which they were for before they were against, was the result of their winning the 06 election and the new course they forced on Bush.

What, exactly, are we suppose to be winning? Some folks are still wondering how the fuck a war that started on Iran ended up in Iraq. And just how many lives have been lost under Bush's command? How many more? Why are we supporting a war in the mid-east where no one else in the world wants' so much U.S. intervention? Why are we trying to enforce a constitution on in a foreign country when we can't even abide by our own? And ,furthermore, why are we continuing a war on a 3rd world country who's hatred for U.S. goes back way, way, before 9/11? Why doesn't anyone, especially the Republicans, have the f**king sense to see any of this?

 

[sigh]

And Cap'n, comparing Iraq to WWII is a sad attempt to legitimize a clusterfuck.

 

[MisterEdMe]

Actually, what is it with baby-boomer presidents and responsibilty? We've had two so far and neither one could admit to a mistake if they were on fire and the judge held a mason jar full of gasoline.

Oh, so now it's baby-boomer's fault? And on the mistakes, take a strong look at what types of mistakes they were.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Actually, what is it with baby-boomer presidents and responsibilty? We've had two so far and neither one could admit to a mistake if they were on fire and the judge held a mason jar full of gasoline.

That's too funny to be true, even though it is...

 

[ccnyman]

What if. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px_XBJHrs4I

 

[phrodeau]

AJ, you need to make up your mind, choose an attitude and stick with it. You're often on the vanguard of casting blame, but as soon as the finger points in your direction, you illustrate the futility of blame games.

And you want to bring up flip-floppers?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

And Cap'n, comparing Iraq to WWII is a sad attempt to legitimize a clusterfuck.

No, don't take it out of the bigger context of the conversation that sprung the aside...





Here's the context:

When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.

By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the 'Blair's bombs' line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2115832,00.html

 

[Drixxx]

Actually, what is it with baby-boomer presidents and responsibilty? We've had two so far and neither one could admit to a mistake if they were on fire and the judge held a mason jar full of gasoline.

Admitting to getting a blow job versus presiding over the biggest security breach in the nation's history that kills 3000 Americans and starting a major war getting over 3000 Americans killed on cooked intelligence is two completely different worlds.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

AJ, you need to make up your mind, choose an attitude and stick with it. You're often on the vanguard of casting blame, but as soon as the finger points in your direction, you illustrate the futility of blame games.

And you want to bring up flip-floppers?

Hey, point the finger in my direction. I don't care.

Let me say it again.

We are winning. If Bush made errors, he had plnety of cheerleaders from BOTH sides of the aisle. One side has subsequently accepted defeat and began assessing blame before the last pitch has even been tossed in order to win elections at home while leaving real men to die in foreign lands. I'm not here blaming Bill Clinton now am I? I have pointed out that the blame these posters are heaping on Bush is a shared blame, but the responsibility for all this mess is firmly upon heretical Islam, it is they who sought to bring death to us, not any American President.

 

[sigh]

Oh, so now it's baby-boomer's fault? And on the mistakes, take a strong look at what types of mistakes they were.

I don't know about baby-boomers in general, and I'm sorry if I offended. My folks were baby-boomers and don't fit the mold I cast at all.

But you have to admit, if Clinton had just said yep, I did have an affair, the whole mess would have run out of steam pretty quickly. Americans can understand that. But he lied under oath instead, and so was impeached, and rightly so.

And Bush still thinks his train wreck of a presidency is great. Too bad 70% of Americans don't think it's been good for them.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I don't know about baby-boomers in general, and I'm sorry if I offended. My folks were baby-boomers and don't fit the mold I cast at all.

But you have to admit, if Clinton had just said yep, I did have an affair, the whole mess would have run out of steam pretty quickly. Americans can understand that. But he lied under oath instead, and so was impeached, and rightly so.

And Bush still thinks his train wreck of a presidency is great. Too bad 70% of Americans don't think it's been good for them.

And at that, he still enjoys TWICE the approval of the Democrat Congress...






And that's what really stings the Left!


With that, I'm gonna make like the Democrat I used to be and cut'n run to the pregame show...

 

[sigh]

Admitting to getting a blow job versus presiding over the biggest security breach in the nation's history that kills 3000 Americans and starting a major war getting over 3000 Americans killed on cooked intelligence is two completely different worlds.

Of course it is, but at the heart of both is an ego that just can't accept being wrong. And sure, we do want strength in the office, but there's strength in saying you made a mistake too. In fact, that might take more courage than standing up in the clear light of an obvious fuck-up, and denying reality until you're blue in the face.

 

[Saint Peter]

I get the impression the Capt is not feeling the Democratic Love this morning.

 

[sigh]

No, don't take it out of the bigger context of the conversation that sprung the aside...





Here's the context:




http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2115832,00.html

I missed that conversation. I'll read up on it. Thanks.

 

[Drixxx]

Hey, point the finger in my direction. I don't care.

Let me say it again.

We are winning. If Bush made errors, he had plnety of cheerleaders from BOTH sides of the aisle. One side has subsequently accepted defeat and began assessing blame before the last pitch has even been tossed in order to win elections at home while leaving real men to die in foreign lands. I'm not here blaming Bill Clinton now am I? I have pointed out that the blame these posters are heaping on Bush is a shared blame, but the responsibility for all this mess is firmly upon heretical Islam, it is they who sought to bring death to us, not any American President.

This war is Bush's baby and everybody knows it. Anybody who didn't cheerlead for Bush's war was quickly labled a anti-troop, anti-American, etc. To now claim everybody cheerleaded from both sides of the aisle after threatening those who disagee with being unpatriotic is disingenuous at best.


And once again, heretical Islam is not responsible for U.S. security. That's Bush's job and he failed.

 

[MisterEdMe]

I don't know about baby-boomers in general, and I'm sorry if I offended. My folks were baby-boomers and don't fit the mold I cast at all.

But you have to admit, if Clinton had just said yep, I did have an affair, the whole mess would have run out of steam pretty quickly. Americans can understand that. But he lied under oath instead, and so was impeached, and rightly so.

And Bush still thinks his train wreck of a presidency is great. Too bad 70% of Americans don't think it's been good for them.

Actually, I sensed what you were getting at. No offense, and I barely qualify as a boomer (I was born last 4 days, of the last yr of that generation, my folks are also baby boomers).

Clinton's problem, though he 'tarnished' our oval office, was a marriage/personal relationship (s) problem. Not lies about wars and our involvement w/foreign nations. Nor was this country in such debt. There was no struggling economy. People got so caught up in his "oh so horrid treacherous behavior ", they failed to see any good he did. Impeached?

And yes, I agree w/you on Bush.

 

[MisterEdMe]

Hey, point the finger in my direction. I don't care.

Let me say it again.

We are winning. If Bush made errors, he had plnety of cheerleaders from BOTH sides of the aisle. One side has subsequently accepted defeat and began assessing blame before the last pitch has even been tossed in order to win elections at home while leaving real men to die in foreign lands. I'm not here blaming Bill Clinton now am I? I have pointed out that the blame these posters are heaping on Bush is a shared blame, but the responsibility for all this mess is firmly upon heretical Islam, it is they who sought to bring death to us, not any American President.

I hear what you are saying, but WHAT are we winning? Why should it be so damned important?

And, yes, the vast majority of Bush's 'cheerleaders' are indeed FICKLE; but that's how today's Americans are. We don't THINK about what or why we are supporting certain issues. Nor why we cheer/not cheer on our Commander-In-Chief. Most of us think w/what's popular and with our billfolds.

 

[The Mutt]

Who do you blame?

FDR or Hitler?

And in response, FDR invaded Argentina, figuring the Nazis would show up there eventually.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

And at that, he still enjoys TWICE the approval of the Democrat Congress...

Wrong again. I've repeatedly posted evidence that shows Republicans in Congress are less popular than Democrats in Congress. REPEATEDLY posted it.

 

[Lost Cause]

Iwo Jima was supposed to be a light assault too...

That's what you get when you have no eyes on the ground~

 

[The Mutt]

I think there is a GARGANTUAN difference between bad intel about the enemy's numbers and capabilities, and figgerin' we don't need none of that post-war plannin' stuff cos weeza gonna be greeted as liberators.

One is bad intel.

The other is being a man of one book.