2024 First Presidential Debate Thread: June 27th

[Lazaran]

I shouldn't laugh but I can't help it.

I laughed because It made me remember this Ryan Gosling skit on SNL.

 

[adrina]

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This sounds comforting. From Axios:

• The time of day is important as to which of the two Bidens will appear.
• From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
• Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/29/two-bidens-trump-debate-2024-president

 

[adrina]

This sounds comforting. From Axios:

• The time of day is important as to which of the two Bidens will appear.
• From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
• Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/29/two-bidens-trump-debate-2024-president

Well you should be highly comforted then as Trump makes verbal miscues several times a day every day.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Lazaran]

Well you should be highly comforted then as Trump makes verbal miscues several times a day every day.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That is. when the racist, corrupt orange traitor isn’t busy saying things like: Hispanic immigrants are all rapists and murderers from mental institutions and prison that are taking "black jobs", and "EVERYONE" wanted Roe overturned, etc…

 

[adrina]

Democrats: Stop Panicking​

As a former Republican who spent decades pointing out flaws in the Democratic Party, I watch the current Democratic panic over President Biden’s debate performance with a mix of bafflement and nostalgia. It’s baffling that so many Democrats are failing to rally around a wildly successful president after one bad night. But it does remind me of why Republicans defeated Democrats in so many races Republicans should have lost.

One debate does not change the structure of this presidential campaign. For all the talk of Mr. Biden’s off night, what is lost is that Mr. Trump missed a great opportunity to reset his candidacy and greatly strengthen his position.


He could have reassured voters who are horrified, in the wake of Roe v. Wade’s demise, by the stories of young girls who become pregnant by rape and then must endure extremist politicians eager to criminalize what was a constitutional right for two generations. But Mr. Trump bizarrely asserted that a majority pro-abortion-rights country hated Roe v. Wade and celebrated his role in replacing individual choice with the heavy hand of government. He could have said he would accept the outcome of the next presidential election. He refused.

For 90 minutes, Mr. Trump unleashed a virulent anti-American rant. The America he lives in is a postapocalyptic hellscape of violence, with people “dying all over the place” — more “Mad Max” than “morning in America.” Is this how Americans see themselves? When we watch the American flag carried at the Olympics in Paris, are we to feel ashamed, not proud? When Ronald Reagan was president, he believed that to be born in America was to win life’s lottery. Now, in Trump’s America, are we victims, chumps, losers?

Before Thursday’s debate, the presidential race was about the past versus the future. After the debate, it is about the past versus the future. And so it will be on Nov. 5. A bad night for Mr. Biden doesn’t change the fact that Mr. Trump opposes any mandatory vaccines for public school students. Do Americans really want to live through more polio, measles and whooping cough epidemics?

It’s easy to be for your guy on good nights, but it doesn’t mean much. The test is on bad nights.

Of all the Democratic pearl clutchers, the most disappointing and offensive are the Barack Obama insiders who can’t bring themselves to do what Mr. Biden did for their old boss: cover his back and fight. For them, politics is “Love Story,” that one true and pure love when they were young and the future stretched out before them in glorious possibility. Every non-Obama candidate will forever be like a fourth marriage, regrettable and unsatisfying.

It's a good article but it is behind a paywall. Archive is your friend.

ETA, forgot the link.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/29/opinion/democrats-panic-joe-biden.html

 

[KeithD]

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Precisely.

 

[KeithD]

You have to give the polls a couple of days

Getting the youth to vote is ALWAYS difficult, trust me.

Then the little darlings should be told afterward how stupid they are.

 

[adrina]

 

[jomar]

You laid out a plan that isn't feasible as the rules and laws have changed. And again, no one has put forth a replacement or come out as one.

He had a cold. He couldn't back out of the debate because his camp asked for it. He handled the debate poorly. This is the first and only time we've seen him like that. The next day he was back to his usual self.

Point blank, I think this is a huge over reaction.

I think it’s an oversimplification to blame his performance simply on a cold. But I was greatly encouraged to see his rally performance the following day.

Both parties should totally be listening to this guy. Forget polls. This guy.

 

[Rotadom]

This sounds comforting. From Axios:

• The time of day is important as to which of the two Bidens will appear.
• From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
• Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/29/two-bidens-trump-debate-2024-president

Well you should be highly comforted then as Trump makes verbal miscues several times a day every day.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807016400084488402

 

[adrina]

I think it’s an oversimplification to blame his performance simply on a cold. But I was greatly encouraged to see his rally performance the following day.


Both parties should totally be listening to this guy. Forget polls. This guy.

I don't disagree. I think it's multiple factors. His schedule has been very busy. He's been actively campaigning, fundraising, attending events, doing debate prep... oh and running the damn country. Add one cold and.... viola, he screwed the pooch at debate night. But it was a one off. Not a pattern.

Unlike Trump's absolute insanity. Which happens every day multiple times a day, even into the wee hours.

 

[YDB95]

There's an easy remedy. If Biden cares about the country, his party, he could take a good look at himself and just walk away. He could do what president Johnson did back when and tell the people he will not run for another term and will not accept the nomination. SIMPLE. Biden is pulling another democrat stunt similar to RBG, just too selfish to do what's best.

I think the very fact of just who is calling for Biden to step down, tells you everything you need to know about why he should not.

 

[ll74]

 

[Lazaran]

I think the very fact of just who is calling for Biden to step down, tells you everything you need to know about why he should not.

Corporate media, the far left, and "republicans" would love to see President Biden throw in the towel after ONE bad DEBATE. (A debate that saw his opponent perform JUST AS POORLY in a different, and easily arguable, MORE IMPORTANT way.)

The individuals mentioned above don’t understand President Biden, the Irish, or “The Big Picture” when it comes to politics and political campaigns.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807269217277980945

 

[dkovic77]

This sounds comforting. From Axios:

• The time of day is important as to which of the two Bidens will appear.
• From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
• Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/29/two-bidens-trump-debate-2024-president

Look from axios.. easier to work when you you do so much less of it!

https://www.axios.com/2018/01/07/scoop-trumps-secret-shrinking-schedule-1515364904

But all versions of Joe are better than “good people on both sides“.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

More comforting news.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807252295572226519

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

A private call of top Democrats fuels more insider anger about Biden’s debate performance​

Multiple committee members on the call, most granted anonymity to talk about the private discussion, described feeling like they were being gaslighted — that they were being asked to ignore the dire nature of the party’s predicament. The call, they said, may have worsened a widespread sense of panic among elected officials, donors and other stakeholders.

https://apnews.com/article/bidendebatetrumpdnc-aa08cc2b556b315e728d1e9c2bf81be9

 

[dkovic77]

More comforting news.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807252295572226519

You found news of another criminal act your candidate will be convicted of but the base will excuse because… it’s like Nazi Germany?

You are so predictable.

 

[adrina]

 

[icanhelp1]

A private call of top Democrats fuels more insider anger about Biden’s debate performance​

Multiple committee members on the call, most granted anonymity to talk about the private discussion, described feeling like they were being gaslighted — that they were being asked to ignore the dire nature of the party’s predicament. The call, they said, may have worsened a widespread sense of panic among elected officials, donors and other stakeholders.

https://apnews.com/article/bidendebatetrumpdnc-aa08cc2b556b315e728d1e9c2bf81be9

I would say the Dems find themselves in a predicament that is considerably more precarious than the Republican’s earlier search for a new speaker.

 

[dkovic77]

You think our friends here already have their pins ordered??

I know traitor tater will take a few days to even know the order is available, he might miss out. I’m sure @BabyBoomer50s will order a second one to send him.

 

[dkovic77]

I would say the Dems find themselves in a predicament that is considerably more precarious than the Republican’s earlier search for a new speaker.

Look, make sure you get your pin! Don’t miss out sending even more of your hard earned fry boy money to your grifter in chief!