15-minute cities

[VinnyVeritas]

Robert Silverberg wrote a SciFi novel, the name of it escapes me, but the premise was that eventually, most of mankind came to live in very big, tall self-contained buildings and never strayed from them to venture into the wild because inside was hermetically sanitized and outside was a death sentence.

The part that most Litizens would enjoy is that doors were not locked, you could enter any domicile you wished and it was considered rude, if not criminal, to turn down sex. I thought I would just throw that in, but I could see something like that occurring after having witnessed the supercilious pandemic lockdowns.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

You have direction of money flow exactly backwards. City dwellers tend to pay higher taxes in exchange for fewer services. Rural and suburban dwellers get more back from the government than they pay. Sparsely populated areas have alway needed subsidized infrastructure. For example, rural electrification was a big part of Roosevelt’s New Deal.

Have you even visited out here?

 

[Chobham]

It's all about taxes and tax base. From what I can see so far a lot of cities administrations are pissing the money away on projects related to Federal grant monies involving transportation. Transportation that goes from one nowhere to another. And the same can be said for many of the states. If you want small business to grow and thrive you have to put taxes in place to encourage same and in most communities/states that's a serious obstacle. Lawmakers and tax authorities would rather get checks from a few large concerns rather than have to deal with a multitude of small concerns. It's the taxing side of the 'Big Box' mentality.

Chernosoth has hit on a truism. Communities are organic and go through natural life cycles. They are born, mature, and then decline. A new generation takes advantage of the declining property prices and rebuilds the community. This occurs on a 40 year cycle. The trick for the various cities is to identify those neighborhoods that are near the end of their life cycle and to implement the "15 minute" program there. The down side is that this necessarily requires that the low income owners/renters be displaced. There is NO alternative to that. Low income properties are generally dirty, poorly maintained, and attract crime. NO ONE wants to invest in those areas.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

My plan would include identifying every decade, the worst 10% of a city, condemning it, evacuating it, razing it and then reselling the property(ies) for new development.

Everyone who has experienced an orchard knows that the unproductive, rotten and diseased must be pruned to ensure the health of the grove.

 

[Chobham]

There's an goodly portion of a generation out there that think the rot is desirable.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

There's an goodly portion of a generation out there that think the rot is desirable.

Pretty much the same great thinkers of a woke generation who think that it is Racist and Xenophobic culture-hate/fear to elucidate the drugs, violence and blatant misogyny of Rap Music/Lyrics.

You know, the champions of women.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

My plan would include identifying every decade, the worst 10% of a city, condemning it, evacuating it, razing it and then reselling the property(ies) for new development.

Everyone who has experienced an orchard knows that the unproductive, rotten and diseased must be pruned to ensure the health of the grove.

So, urban renewal. It was very popular in the 1960s. Many American cities still bear its scars.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

It was never carried out to scale, so, no, not the same thing.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It was never carried out to scale, so, no, not the same thing.

Are you envisioning something on the scale of Le Corbusier’s Plan Voisin?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

No, I was thinking more, The Fountainhead.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

BTW, where was that built? I might like to visit.

 

[Chobham]

BTW, where was that built? I might like to visit.

Looks like a Chinese project. Essentially the same layout anyway.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

BTW, where was that built? I might like to visit.

Fortunately it was rejected, so we still have Paris.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

They wore grey...

 

[Chobham]

Ghost cities.

Wait for Ordos.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

That's one of the weird things about driving around in China. You're in modern city with modern (unused) interstate-quality roads and you hit the city limit and it immediately turns into rutted dirt road and shanties...

 

[coati]

Fortunately it was rejected, so we still have Paris.

We'll always have Paris.

 

[ll74]

It's all about taxes and tax base. From what I can see so far a lot of cities administrations are pissing the money away on projects related to Federal grant monies involving transportation. Transportation that goes from one nowhere to another. And the same can be said for many of the states. If you want small business to grow and thrive you have to put taxes in place to encourage same and in most communities/states that's a serious obstacle. Lawmakers and tax authorities would rather get checks from a few large concerns rather than have to deal with a multitude of small concerns. It's the taxing side of the 'Big Box' mentality.

Chernosoth has hit on a truism. Communities are organic and go through natural life cycles. They are born, mature, and then decline. A new generation takes advantage of the declining property prices and rebuilds the community. This occurs on a 40 year cycle. The trick for the various cities is to identify those neighborhoods that are near the end of their life cycle and to implement the "15 minute" program there. The down side is that this necessarily requires that the low income owners/renters be displaced. There is NO alternative to that. Low income properties are generally dirty, poorly maintained, and attract crime. NO ONE wants to invest in those areas.

The transportation is for poor people that live in what you consider to be nowhere...the ones who can't afford cars.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The transportation is for poor people that live in what you consider to be nowhere...the ones who can't afford cars.

“An advanced city is not one where even the poor use cars, but rather one where even the rich use public transport.”

-Enrique Peñalosa

 

[VinnyVeritas]

The rich are not ever going to use public transportation.

The poor have a proclivity towards things like kidnapping, ransom and death...

 

[ll74]

The rich are not ever going to use public transportation.

The poor have a proclivity towards things like kidnapping, ransom and death...

You forgot a proclivity towards needing public transportation

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Why the fuck are you even talking about. Is comprehension your fucking short suit?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The rich are not ever going to use public transportation.

The poor have a proclivity towards things like kidnapping, ransom and death...

Yet the rich do use public transportation in cities that have good systems.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Do they.

Of course, you have proof of that contention that lies outside of your limited imagination.

Bonus: Define "good" for our edification and where these "good" transport systems exist.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Do they.

Of course, you have proof of that contention that lies outside of your limited imagination.

Bonus: Define "good" for our edification and where these "good" transport systems exist.

Yes, they do.
You of course have proof of your claim, right?
Maybe you’ll have better luck next time.