15-minute cities

[BrightShinyGirl]

There’s been a lot of talk on transit Twitter lately about 15-minute cities. The idea is to try to build cities with the necessary amenities for life within a 15-walk or bike ride of where people live. It’s an umbrella term for higher density, more mass transit, and reducing car dependency.

Some cities in Europe approach the 15-minute ideal, like Paris and Barcelona. My neighborhood in LA is close — if there were more protected bike lanes on the cross streets I would never need to drive. Culver City and Santa Monica are also close to being 15-minute cities.

It’s hard for a lot of other American cities to implement, because they have so much legacy infrastructure built around cars, but I still think it’s a useful vision for how public spending can be redirected away from sprawl to more human-scale development.

 

[Rightguide]

There’s been a lot of talk on transit Twitter lately about 15-minute cities. The idea is to try to build cities with the necessary amenities for life within a 15-walk or bike ride of where people live. It’s an umbrella term for higher density, more mass transit, and reducing car dependency.

Some cities in Europe approach the 15-minute ideal, like Paris and Barcelona. My neighborhood in LA is close — if there were more protected bike lanes on the cross streets I would never need to drive. Culver City and Santa Monica are also close to being 15-minute cities.

It’s hard for a lot of other American cities to implement, because they have so much legacy infrastructure built around cars, but I still think it’s a useful vision for how public spending can be redirected away from sprawl to more human-scale development.

San Francisco and Los Angeles are on the verge of self-destruction. They are dying cities under California's one-party rule. San Francisco, once the American jewel of the West Coast, is now an unfolding wasteland. Amazon-owned Whole Foods, on Market Street for God's sake, is closing down because it cannot survive the criminality in the city. Major parts of both towns look worse than Calcutta and are probably more dangerous.

 

[Chernosoth]

There's no easy and painless route to 15 minute cities. America burned that bridge 40 years ago. Abandoning the suburbs and all those sunk costs will be hard work and plenty of anger for at least a decade.

 

[icanhelp1]

San Francisco and Los Angeles are on the verge of self-destruction. They are dying cities under California's one-party rule. San Francisco, once the American jewel of the West Coast, is now an unfolding wasteland. Amazon-owned Whole Foods, on Market Street for God's sake, is closing down because it cannot survive the criminality in the city. Major parts of both towns look worse than Calcutta and are probably more dangerous.

The 15 minute cities in LA, SF are tent cities. Don't need transit>

 

[Rightguide]

The 15 minute cities in LA, SF are tent cities. Don't need transit>

Yep, one's dope source is just feet away.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The 15 minute cities in LA, SF are tent cities. Don't need transit>

In my original post I gave three examples of 15-minute cities in LA: my neighborhood in Westwood, Santa Monica, and Culver City. None are “tent cities”. In fact one criticism of 15-minute cities is that it encourages gentrification because the desirability of living in one displaces low-income residents who already live there.

 

[DeluxAuto]

In my original post I gave three examples of 15-minute cities in LA: my neighborhood in Westwood, Santa Monica, and Culver City. None are “tent cities”. In fact one criticism of 15-minute cities is that it encourages gentrification because the desirability of living in one displaces low-income residents who already live there.

Histrionics trump logic and facts with many of these simps.

 

[DeluxAuto]

There's no easy and painless route to 15 minute cities. America burned that bridge 40 years ago. Abandoning the suburbs and all those sunk costs will be hard work and plenty of anger for at least a decade.

How have you not murdered yourself yet? You have got to be the most depressed and depressing poster ever.

 

[Lazaran]

How have you not murdered yourself yet? You have got to be the most depressed and depressing poster ever.

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Fatalistic would be an understatement.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Yep, one's dope source is just feet away.

Does that proximity work the same way for the huge opioid-addicted populace in red-state towns and cities?

 

[DeluxAuto]

Does that proximity work the same way for the huge opioid-addicted populace in red-state towns and cities?

First rule of opioid crisis is we don't talk about opioid crisis.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

They’re also called Urban Villages, at least in Northern California. The concept is appealing to urban planners and city politicians because they theoretically provide a pathway toward meeting regional housing allocations by densification in already urbanized areas near mass transit hubs without encroaching on suburbanites. Attracting developers and fighting off neighborhood opposition is why they are not materializing very often.

 

[DeluxAuto]

They’re also called Urban Villages, at least in Northern California. The concept is appealing to urban planners and city politicians because they theoretically provide a pathway toward meeting regional housing allocations by densification in already urbanized areas near mass transit hubs without encroaching on suburbanites. Attracting developers and fighting off neighborhood opposition is why they are not materializing very often.

Did you ask AI to summarize the wiki page?

 

[candm4fun]

The older I get the more space I want away from people. The more densely populated the area, the less I want to be there.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Did you ask AI to summarize the wiki page?

Did you ask AI to summarize the wiki page?

Nah, just triggering you

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

They’re also called Urban Villages, at least in Northern California. The concept is appealing to urban planners and city politicians because they theoretically provide a pathway toward meeting regional housing allocations by densification in already urbanized areas near mass transit hubs without encroaching on suburbanites. Attracting developers and fighting off neighborhood opposition is why they are not materializing very often.

Yeah NIMBYs are always a problem. I understand they're particularly bad up in Northern California, where right-wing NIMBYs often make common cause with left-wing NIMBYs.

Fortunately there's also a growing YIMBY movement that's pushing back.

 

[LizVegas79]

BSG - I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the idea of 15-minute cities!

My niece lives in Santa Monica and I dream of leaving my husband and two kids here in Las Vegas to go live with her (for various reasons including yours.

Las Vegas is generally a 30-minute-car-required city, which isn't too bad I guess, but what you describe sounds magical to me.

P.S. to everyone else - can we please leave political ranting and name calling OUT of this discussion please? TY.

 

[jomar]

I live up n a tucked away neighborhood 10 walking minutes from a Walmart, a jimmy johns, a Starbucks and a UPS store. I’m set.

 

[jaF0]

Nothing, NOTHING is within 15 minutes walking distance of here. It takes 20 minutes to walk to my next door neighbor's house. It can take 10 minutes or more to walk to the end of my yard. About a half hour to drive to a real grocery store or gas station.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

BSG - I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the idea of 15-minute cities!

My niece lives in Santa Monica and I dream of leaving my husband and two kids here in Las Vegas to go live with her (for various reasons including yours.

Las Vegas is generally a 30-minute-car-required city, which isn't too bad I guess, but what you describe sounds magical to me.

P.S. to everyone else - can we please leave political ranting and name calling OUT of this discussion please? TY.

Santa Monica is great! It's super walkable and there are bike paths everywhere. Get on the train and you're in Culver City in 15 minutes. Another 30 and you're downtown. LA is lucky in that it was a train city before it became a car city, so there's still a route back out of sprawl.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

BSG - I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the idea of 15-minute cities!

My niece lives in Santa Monica and I dream of leaving my husband and two kids here in Las Vegas to go live with her (for various reasons including yours.

Las Vegas is generally a 30-minute-car-required city, which isn't too bad I guess, but what you describe sounds magical to me.

P.S. to everyone else - can we please leave political ranting and name calling OUT of this discussion please? TY.

Google is making a huge investment in an urban village in the city of San Jose. The term NIMBY in this context referred to local residents who were worried about gentrification and being displaced from their older, affordable homes. The YIMBYs were Google, developers, and elected officials who see it as a way to grow the tax base and make progress toward the state-mandated housing targets. Google won both sides over by pledging hundreds of millions toward things each side wants. It was contentious early on but there doesn’t seem to be much opposition anymore. Rising interest rates and less use of central offices might slow things down though.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Nah, just triggering you

By quoting me twice like a triggered moron?

 

[Chernosoth]

Most of the 15 minute cities that actually happen will be small towns. There are many semi-depopulated small towns now, with practical infrastructure at least partially intact. Part of a working 15 minute city will be proximity to food supply on nearby farms.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I'd rather have the second 6" of my pecker cut off, than live nut-to-butt in a city. People are stacked on top of each other like hamsters.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Hamsters seem to be happy and they fuck an awful lot...