“Climate Change” Hoax Needs to Be Removed From All U.S. Education Books

Never, ever fall back on "Science was wrong before."


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[TD]“”Science is a liar sometimes![/TD]
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[TD]—Mac, from Always Sunny[1][/TD]
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The phrase "science was wrong before" (or variations thereof, such as "science has been wrong in the past", "science is only human", "science keeps changing", or "science is not infallible") is a fallacious technique used in order to reject or disparage a current scientific consensus, especially on topics such as evolution or global warming. It usually works like this:


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[TD]“”Alice: A scientific consensus has built around theory X and it is supported by many lines of robust evidence.
Bob: Ah, but science has been wrong before. Like bloodletting. So how can you be sure it's right this time?[/TD]
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The "science was wrong before" gambit exemplifies both the continuum fallacy and the nirvana fallacy. It is a sister-fallacy to "media was wrong before".

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Flaws[edit]​

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The Structure of Scientific Revolutions 2nd edition, Thomas Kuhn

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[TD]“”[W]hen people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.[/TD]
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The scientific method.
Usually (or at least often) "science was wrong before" is used to defend the existence of a disproven phenomenon — alternative medicine, perpetual motion, crank theories of everything, faster-than-light travel… the list is really endless for where this has been applied before. The usual examples of science being wrong (like the geocentric worldview that "science" used to hold) were theories that were in no way disprovable at the time, much in the way that string theory cannot be readily disproved at this time. Many alternative medical practices, on the other hand, have been carefully shown to be utterly ineffective in one study after another — no additional information will suddenly contradict these results. When used like this, the "science was wrong before" trope is effectively like suggesting that our observations that gravity is an attractive force are wrong, because one day in the future we might just see something go floating up instead of falling down, and therefore homeopathy works.

So while it is true that several believed-to-be-true theories turned out to be wrong, that doesn't mean that theories that have already been proven wrong might suddenly turn out to be right, or that all theories with an overwhelming scientific consensus will necessarily turn out to be wrong.

Missing the point[edit]​

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This is pretty easy to understand.[note 1]

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[TD]“”Scientific knowledge is often transitory: some (but not all) of what we find is made obsolete, or even falsified, by new findings. That is not a weakness but a strength, for our best understanding of phenomena will alter with changes in our way of thinking, our tools for looking at nature, and what we find in nature itself. Any "knowledge" incapable of being revised with advances in data and human thinking does not deserve the name of knowledge.[/TD]
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[TD]—Jerry Coyne, Faith Versus Fact: Why Science and Religion are Incompatible (2015)[/TD]
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The logic behind this argument is fallacious in a number of ways. Primarily it misrepresents how science actually works by forcing it into a binary conception of "right" and "wrong". To describe outdated or discredited theories as "wrong" misses a major subtlety in science: discarded theories aren't really wrong, they just fail to explain new evidence, and more often than not the new theory to come along is almost the same as the old one, but with some extensions, caveats, or alternatives.[note 2] Often enough, these "new" theories are already in existence and just waiting in the wings, ready for new evidence to come along and differentiate them. This is well exemplified in Thomas Kuhn's writing on scientific revolutions, who's work has been co-opted by many cranks.
 

https://phys.org/news/2024-01-scientists-russian-arctic-climate.html

Scientists warn missing Russian data causing Arctic climate blind spots​


Also...

https://arctic-russia.com/en/article/reviving-russian-meteorology-in-the-arctic/

Reviving Russian meteorology in the Arctic​


The Russians closed roughly sixty manned weather stations after the end of the USSR. They also stopped maintaining several thousand automated weather stations around the country.

In 1992 that data stopped getting fed into international data sets.

Now, you propose that you're a smart guy. Tell me what you think happened to average global temperatures absent this data being reported from a country that's frozen solid for half the year?
 
https://phys.org/news/2024-01-scientists-russian-arctic-climate.html

Scientists warn missing Russian data causing Arctic climate blind spots​


Also...

https://arctic-russia.com/en/article/reviving-russian-meteorology-in-the-arctic/

Reviving Russian meteorology in the Arctic​


The Russians closed roughly sixty manned weather stations after the end of the USSR. They also stopped maintaining several thousand automated weather stations around the country.

In 1992 that data stopped getting fed into international data sets.

Now, you propose that you're a smart guy. Tell me what you think happened to average global temperatures absent this data being reported from a country that's frozen solid for half the year?
The climate scientists know that data is absent and will have taken that into account. It matters no more than the old dishonest canard that they are overestimating global temperatures because all the weather stations are in hot urban areas (see urban heat island).
 
The climate scientists know that data is absent and will have taken that into account. It matters no more than the old dishonest canard that they are overestimating global temperatures because all the weather stations are in hot urban areas (see urban heat island).

Then why do meteorologists need to reactivate the Russian weather observation stations if they can just take that missing data 'into account'?

You should write to these people and let them know they're wasting time and money on their pursuit.
 
Because it is always better to have scientific data than not to.

You said it was meaningless since it was 'taken into account'.

Curious, if the Russians do bring back these stations and the data contradicts the global warming narrative will you oppose collecting this data?
 
:rolleyes: No, it's not meaningless, it's better to have it, but they can do science without it. Knock it off with the dishonest sealioning.

Okay...

Curious, if the Russians do bring back these stations and the data contradicts the global warming narrative will you oppose collecting this data?
 
Why does everyone here feel the need to explain how things work here? Even when I was new to this forum, I understood how forums work. I was on the internet in 1992 before AOL existed. (Before anyone even got the discs in the mail)

Nothing has changed except the number of stupid people has increased
The easier the Internet got, the dumber the participants.

I was on the original Usenet thread that introduced "Godwin's Law". Usenet was the real training ground.
 
The easier the Internet got, the dumber the participants.

I was on the original Usenet thread that introduced "Godwin's Law". Usenet was the real training ground.
What was your first modem's speed, Methusalah? ;)

I had a corporate Compuserve account back when they were numerical and connection time was $4 per minute.
 
What was your first modem's speed, Methusalah? ;)

I had a corporate Compuserve account back when they were numerical and connection time was $4 per minute.
Hah. I was a starving college student then so used the University's Internet access. We used FTP clients to get dirty jpegs from known servers that had good porn collections. Nothing like VGA nudes.
 
This theory is rebutted by the Medieval Warming Period which occurred in approximately between 950 and 1250 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
Did you even read your link?? This only happened in one part of the world and they gave reasons why, reasons scientists can study and exclude.

Did you really think you found something that every expert who studies this missed??
 
None of it caused by man.

6,000–10,000 years ago, during a period known as the African Humid Period, the Sahara was a green, habitable region with lakes, grasslands, and even forests. 21,000 years ago, the Amazon rainforest was significantly drier and fragmented. Some scientists suggest large portions were open savanna or dry scrub. None of that, or their evolution into their present environmental state today, was caused by man.

Why would you assume that none of that was caused by man? You know man, even in our most modern iteration are quite a bit older than that right?
 
https://phys.org/news/2024-01-scientists-russian-arctic-climate.html

Scientists warn missing Russian data causing Arctic climate blind spots​


Also...

https://arctic-russia.com/en/article/reviving-russian-meteorology-in-the-arctic/

Reviving Russian meteorology in the Arctic​


The Russians closed roughly sixty manned weather stations after the end of the USSR. They also stopped maintaining several thousand automated weather stations around the country.

In 1992 that data stopped getting fed into international data sets.

Now, you propose that you're a smart guy. Tell me what you think happened to average global temperatures absent this data being reported from a country that's frozen solid for half the year?
LOL! Did you even read your links, they’re not scientific papers.
 
Why would you assume that none of that was caused by man? You know man, even in our most modern iteration are quite a bit older than that right?
Even primitive humans can change the environment. The American landscape when Columbus landed was very different from what it was when the first humans arrived.
 
Even primitive humans can change the environment. The American landscape when Columbus landed was very different from what it was when the first humans arrived.

I love you. You remind me of a close friend of mine who because he's smart fucking ruins the hell out of jokes cus he'll jump to the punchline while I'm still laying down tracks.

Fucking BEAVERS can change the environment and are one of very few animals that do so "intentionally". There are also some douchebag birds collectively called 'firehawks' that intentionally spread fires so they can hunt the cowardly animals as they flee. So yeah just knowing exactly how trees absorb CO2, burning trees (And coal) releases CO2 right there humans across the fucking planet cutting down trees some for fuel, some just for buildings, some to get them out of the fucking way so we can grow crops logically caused changes in the environment.

Lakes have been drained, created, entire species of plant an animal wiped out that of course we've been affecting the environment for longer than we like to talk about. We focus almost entirely on Greenhouse gases which were discovered i the 1850s! Imagine being so smart you were planning on taxing cars before cars were invented. Jesus fucking Christ.

Now the fact that we are doing it at faster and faster paces because all the things we are doing is an issue. The changes in the past have been "gradual" at least most of them were from a human perspective.
 
Well of course climate change isn't real.

It's the fucking jewish space lasers.

But all will be well when the first escort Melania shows us her tits again.
 
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