Trump Opens Door To Segregated Education

[Baztrachian]

I stand corrected on this, I assumed in the American system it would be the opposite.

I hold intellectual honesty in high esteem. Respects.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I hold intellectual honesty in high esteem. Respects.

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. No one is 100% right all the time, nor 100% wrong all the time. I should have doubled checked my opinion.

 

[Baztrachian]

If you ban collective bargaining, then a union is ineffective....it's kind of like having a gun with no ammunition or a car with no tires...

No, collective bargaining is just one of the things an effective union can do. Lobbying for work place safety, lobbying for civil rights, voter outreach, campaign donations and campaign volunteer efforts, legal assistance for union members...all of these things are things the unions can and should do regardless of collective bargaining.

 

[Baztrachian]

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. No one is 100% right all the time, nor 100% wrong all the time. I should have doubled checked my opinion.

Now I want to buy you a beer.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No, collective bargaining is just one of the things an effective union can do. Lobbying for work place safety, lobbying for civil rights, voter outreach, campaign donations and campaign volunteer efforts, legal assistance for union members...all of these things are things the unions can and should do regardless of collective bargaining.

Without collective bargaining, the employer doesn't have to include anything you wrote in the agreement. It's a "here's our offer", take it or leave it.Kinda like the employers do where there is no Union.

Further, the 5 states also score the lowest on SAT tests as well it seems.

 

[Baztrachian]

Without collective bargaining, the employer doesn't have to include anything you wrote in the agreement. It's a "here's our offer", take it or leave it. Kinda like the employers do where there is no Union.

True. But if your US union is smart then they'll do the other things I mentioned and get their contract positions enshrined in LAW. It's a heavier lift than a contract but unions used to do this all the time which is why we have minimum wage laws, slavery was ended, workplace safety became a thing, wage laws became a thing, and etc.

 

[Baztrachian]

I should add that I am pro-union but I am decidedly against union leadership that's only in it for themselves or to serve an agenda that's harmful to their members.

The United Auto Workers are one example. They demanded too much and the result was their jobs were sent overseas.

The United Mine Workers are another. They adamantly supported Democrats who adamantly wanted to shut down every last mining operation in the US. The result?

in 1920 they had 600,000 members. Not too shabby.

In 2025 they have just 80,000 members the majority of whom are not even miners. They had to expand their scope to include health care workers, truck drivers, industrial workers and government employees.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What state doesn't have a teacher's union? Name one.

https://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions-are-illegal-2011-2

The states with the lowest test scores.

 

[Politruk]

The United Mine Workers are another. They adamantly supported Democrats who adamantly wanted to shut down every last mining operation in the US. The result?

There was never any "war on coal." The coal industry is dying because natural gas is cheaper.

 

[RobDownSouth]

On the other side of the argument is that Louisiana schools are required to reserve seats for black students who otherwise may not qualify according to race-neutral criteria.

As can be seen in practice here:

https://www.deltacs.org/about-us/enrollment



In short, the school is intended to serve residents of the Concordia Parish but they have to bring in black students from outside of their purview in order to satisfy what is now an onerous court order.

A court order that was intended to get rid of racial discrimination is now being used to implement it because when an insufficient number of black students is recruited to this school then a corresponding number of other students have to be denied access in order to achieve court ordered percentages of racial distribution.

Around fifty years ago there were a few racial discrimination cases against government agencies that didn't have any black people on staff for the simple reason that they had no black people living in their jurisdictions. When the activist courts ordered that black people were to be recruited from outside the jurisdiction (in one case a state) the appellate courts said this was overreach.

Back to the schools, barring a white kid access to an educational opportunity because not enough black kids can be found is patently discriminatory.

The court order is past its best-by date and it's time to end it.

Just say you're a fucking White Supremacist and be done with it, spanky.
I hope your daughters gift you with mulatto grandchildren.

 

[Baztrachian]

Just say you're a fucking White Supremacist and be done with it, spanky.
I hope your daughters gift you with mulatto grandchildren.

 

[Baztrachian]

There was never any "war on coal." The coal industry is dying because natural gas is cheaper.

Even Politico has reported on the war on coal as a war on coal.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/05/inside-war-on-coal-000002/

 

[Politruk]

Well, anyway, ending this order does not mean the public schools will again be segregated.

The real danger in that regard is "vouchers," or any other form of public support for private schools. There are private schools all over the South that were founded in the 1960s as all-white "segregation academies."

Texas governor signs $1B voucher bill in milestone for school choice supporters

AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas will implement a $1 billion school voucher program, one of the largest in the country, that uses public dollars to fund private school tuition under a bill Gov. Greg Abbott signed Saturday, capping off a yearslong effort by Republicans.

School voucher supporters have long targeted the state, where past efforts buckled for decades against resistance from Democrats and rural Republicans. Last month President Donald Trump called lawmakers before a key vote needed to finally get the bill to Abbott’s desk.

Texas joins more than 30 other states that have implemented a similar program, of which about a dozen have launched or expanded their programs in recent years to make most students eligible.

School vouchers have been Abbott’s primary focus this year, coming off a 2024 election cycle in which he led a campaign to oust GOP lawmakers who voted against a similar bill last session.