‘What did he know and when did he know it’

[EternalFantasy]

That equates to the argument that 3 percent of world scientists conclude the climate change isn't man made so the jury is still out on that one.

I don't see how.

It's as plainly simple as that. CNN and the left screamed Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo when Trump won, and went further into insanity. Gotta blame anyone else but themselves and primarily Hilary's record and image, to name one reason.

So yea, great idea, let's pin it on the Russians and call trump a traitor.

All you are simply not over the election. And the irony is, if anyone's supposed to be 'Russian apologists' if that term still exists, it's the left!

so the Russians are going, hey what, sanctions? Any balanced mind knows they do not deserve those at this point.

It's like someone getting pissed coz they would've elected the one they wouldn't have elected had they known the truth by themselves, but in this case, it appears the Russians may have informed them. So they got pissed.

Its absolutely ridiculous.

 

[doowdniw]

If Flynn or anyone else is playing footsie with the Russians, THE RUSSIANS AREN'T FUCKING GOING TO TELL ANYBODY!! It would be "burning" a valuable source.

I would agree, except that they might, if the whole aim was to create dissension, chaos, and a sense of backstabbing within the administration. Or if it got to the point where Flynn no longer wanted to "play footsie", then...poof, they would drop kick him in a heartbeat, if it furthered their agenda.

 

[sr71plt]

Since the phone call took place in December,



What did Obama know and when did he know it?


It's not like Flynn was caught on a hot mic assuring Medvedev that after the election he would have more flexibility...

That's a legitimate question that has crept into the reporting today. How long before the inauguration did Obama have this information? Then, though, you have to weigh in what he could/should do about it in the last days of his presidency considering that a transition not encouraging violence and disruption of an effective turnover of power was a priority with him and he made no bones about saying it was. Obama wasn't a "go for the jugular" president--which was both a good and a bad trait for his presidency.

No one is responsible for Trump's rollout of a government but Trump. Obama (and Hillary Clinton) gave him all of the rope he will take.

 

[sr71plt]

There is no proof of direct meddling. Also, the US has meddled in foreign elections ad infinitum. And, if there was meddling, it was only to bring out true info into the open. And, if that info hurt Hilary, its not cause the Russians would have meddled but because, it was simply bad and tips the iceberg on voting for her.

Yep, that's true. The difference is that we're doing it to maintain the American system. I did it to maintain the American system, and it's been established for lots of centuries that if you don't keep up with it, you get plowed under. That makes me an American rather than an internationalist (although I'm an internationalist as long as I feel comfortable my country is safe). It certainly doesn't make me an apologist for the Russian state, which has dealt heavily in this since the time of the tsars.

McCain is absolutely right that Putin, personally, a former KGB thug, is a heavy-handed murderer who takes this beyond the pale (and did so with the U.S. elections). He (like Israel's Mossad) doesn't even honor the agreement of limits that international spy organizations usually adhere to in their operations (and that the cold war kept in balance).

 

[sr71plt]

Not surprisingly, neither one of you idiots are grasping the point I was satirically making.

Aren't you the cat's pajamas? If posters don't fall into your agenda and propaganda, you have a tizzie fit.

Point out where I posted that the Russians were going to own up to anything. You just don't bother to read what anyone else posts, you're so full of yourself. Shall we call this Flynn Syndrome? If no one is trotting along behind you to discuss what the Russians will own up to, I think it's because that's sort of a naive "so what" issue among more important issues that we're discussing even if you don't want to.

 

[hashtag46]

McCain is absolutely right that Putin, personally, a former KGB thug, is a heavy-handed murderer who takes this beyond the pale (and did so with the U.S. elections). He (like Israel's Mossad) doesn't even honor the agreement of limits that international spy organizations usually adhere to in their operations (and that the cold war kept in balance).

Can you provide evidence that Putin is more of a murderer than US presidents?

 

[sr71plt]

Can you provide evidence that Putin is more of a murderer than US presidents?

Can you point to evidence to the contrary? I could certainly point out assassinations of specific, individual dissidents to Putin personally. (I won't, though, because you can jolly well do your own research--it's available on line.) It's not my fault you can't--or choose not to--connect the dots. You can choose to remain as blind as you want, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[hashtag46]

Can you point to evidence to the contrary? I could certainly point out assassinations of specific, individual dissidents to Putin personally. (I won't, though, because you can jolly well do your own research--it's available on line.) It's not my fault you can't--or choose not to--connect the dots. You can choose to remain as blind as you want, as far as I'm concerned.

Yes he has blood on his hands.

But it looks funny when you guys point out to and are appalled by Putin's crimes, while finding all sorts of justifications for those committed by your leaders.

 

[sr71plt]

Yes he has blood on his hands.

But it looks funny when you guys point out to and are appalled by Putin's crimes, while finding all sorts of justifications for those committed by your leaders.

Did you miss my "I'm an American first" post (for which I don't apologize) or my earlier one where I said what Trump said about the Russians not being alone in nefarious activities was true, just not smart to say, or several others where I lay out how it is done even by the United States?

I've noted that states either do it or get plowed under. If you don't think you are doing what you are to preserve what you have and affirm as better than what another state (here the Russians--elsewhere the anti-you terrorist of whatever stripe) want you to have, than you jolly well can stop being protected by your system and to go the other one.

In Trump's case, he's typically two-faced, spouting "America First" to hold supporters but separating himself from that in unnecessary statements and actions and baldly revealing he's Trump first on an international scale that supersedes loyalty, commitment, and subject to nation. We haven't had a president before who openly showed his "me first, above my country." We're seeing whether that will work out for Trump.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Aren't you the cat's pajamas? If posters don't fall into your agenda and propaganda, you have a tizzie fit.

Point out where I posted that the Russians were going to own up to anything. You just don't bother to read what anyone else posts, you're so full of yourself. Shall we call this Flynn Syndrome? If no one is trotting along behind you to discuss what the Russians will own up to, I think it's because that's sort of a naive "so what" issue among more important issues that we're discussing even if you don't want to.

Okay. Let's reset. The issue here for me was your pathetic answer to Old Journo's repeated question as to what the basis was for blackmailing Mike Flynn. This was your best attempt to answer it:

There are two routes to take (I was involved in doing this for two decades). You usually start with the soft route--giving the mark what he wants in exchange for getting what you want. This is often done with sex (combining the two oldest professions--prostitution and spying), but it can be done with wining and dining or money or even just upping the guy's status in some why that impresses him and plays his ego (guess how easy this is with someone like Flynn or Trump). This had already started with Flynn--probably with much more than we know, but we do know he was paid to attend the launching of Russia's new propaganda media vehicle and wined and dined. He went and he was paid (we don't know how much). We don't know what other bennies he was given, but this is Russia and they take the classic approach to this. As long as this is working--as in the Russians getting what they want from this guy--it may stay at this level. And, this, my naive friend, comes under "blackmail" in intell operations. And they already were here with Flynn (and are with Trump too--it's really easy with Trump; simple ego stroking gets you there).

Then, the other route: using having given what he wants to the guy--which moves into the realm of what he doesn't want others to know he wanted (e.g., hookers who do golden showers with him in a hotel room), if he gives you less of what you want from him, or balks at giving you more of what he didn't know you'd demand from him, or shows cold feet about the whole thing, you move into the "or else" phase. The number of people who won't play rather than being exposed to the world--especially full of themselves people like Trump and Flynn--can be counted on the fingers of your elbow.

This doesn't stop at Flynn in the Trump gang--and it started with Trump a long time ago. It's part of why we don't see his taxes; it's in the Russians' quite blatant activity to undermine Clinton's campaign, but not Trump's; it's in the British intell op's dossier that's slowly becoming public--and it's in some of the people Trump has gathered around him. And that it's working with Trump can be seen in the outrageous statements we've all heard him make (starting with the invitation to the Russians to hack Clinton's e-mails even further. They didn't need such an invitation, but it certainly assured them he was in their bed.)

Methinks you just don't know what the scope of blackmail is. In this case it isn't anything Flynn might be open to--it's in what Flynn, Trump, and some others already are embroiled in with the Russians.

Are you satisfied now that I've actually READ your tripe?

Now I am happy to acknowledge that you, like anyone beyond the fifth grade, have a fundamental understanding of HOW blackmail works. What you don't have, by your own admission, is the slightest bit of evidence that the Russians had given Flynn "what he wants" in exchange for AN INAPPROPRIATE QUID PRO QUO!!! We have the man being financially compensated and served a meal or two at a well-covered public event. I'm going out on a limb and assume that his room and bed were reasonably comfortable while he was there.

I don't care what you call it in the "intel business." It doesn't come CLOSE to anything resembling "blackmail" when a person openly accepts and participates in a public commercial business transaction.

As for the "or else phase," you (wisely) offered even less evidence (read that as LESS than none) that Flynn was anywhere close to such a compromised position vis-a-vis the Russians. And my point AGAIN with regard to such an "or else phase" was simply that THE RUSSIANS WOULD HAVE HAD TO REVEAL FLYNN'S COMPROMISED POSITION TO SOMEONE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE NORMALLY WANTED TO REVEAL IT TO in order to make good on the threat, ffs! And that would have not only jeopardized further getting what THEY wanted, but quite possibly invalidating information or influence they had already GAINED!! That's called THE LAST of the "last resorts," and it illustrates why, as I would hope you know, blackmail in the intelligence business ain't exactly the same as extorting money from an adulterous pervert simply by ratting him out to his wife.

Now former Assistant Attorney General Sally Yates HAS raised the prospect of Flynn being subject to potential blackmail -- something that the FBI with apparent access to the same information did NOT conclude.

But the point is, until SOMEBODY comes forth with hard evidence that Flynn either accepted favors and material benefits for which he SHOULD be ashamed OR accepted such benefits for which we WAS IN FACT ASHAMED AND TRIED TO CONCEAL, then no one, least of all YOU, inspector Clouseau, has any business tossing around the word "blackmail."

And IF the ONLY evidence of that shame is his less than fully candid briefing to Vice President Pence, then that "blackmail" ship is already several days out to sea, ain't that right, Mr. Bond.

Mr. James Bond.

 

[sr71plt]

I think this is playing out in an entirely different, real-life league, than the fairy tale one you live in , CH. Possibly a whole different sport. I'm sure that calling others names adds to your regard for your posts. Thanks for sharing.

 

[irksomesauce]

Remember when the wannabe sr71plt only graced the GB with his admonitions about how he was the only one posting here that actually wrote the stories which keep this entire site alive? Compared to GBers who simply freeloaded off "talent" like him?

Then, he kept posting on the GB as he decided to let the Board in on the top secret that, yes, he was indeed once a Blackbird pilot just as his username implies - and a cocksucking one at that.

Today, one of the Internet's most successfully fictional self-published ebook authors is now letting us all in on his - what - "27 years" career as one of America's top spies/analysts, by posting on the GB JUST AS MUCH, AND JUST AS GRATUITOUSLY as those he first showed-up here to specifically belittle for doing exactly that.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif

KEEP STROKING THAT STARVING EGO, WANNABE!

 

[nerfhearder]

I think this is playing out in an entirely different, real-life league, than the fairy tale one you live in , CH. Possibly a whole different sport. I'm sure that calling others names adds to your regard for your posts. Thanks for sharing.

I see you're still pretending to be the pilot/spy. That's a shame.

 

[Jennifer]

Is this a comedy thread? Satire? Anything?

 

[irksomesauce]

I see you're still pretending to be the pilot/spy. That's a shame.

And didn't you specifically post on this Board to him directly that you have the goods that clearly expose him as the wannabe he plays here?

So, what's the difference between him pretending to be who he isn't, and you pretending you can prove he isn't what he pretends to be?

 

[nerfhearder]

And didn't you specifically post on this Board to him directly that you have the goods that clearly expose him as the wannabe he plays here?

So, what's the difference between him pretending to be who he isn't, and you pretending you can prove he isn't what he pretends to be?

The difference would be I'm not pretending but it's really none of your business because I wouldn't expose him here, there's no harm in that.

 

[irksomesauce]

The difference would be I'm not pretending but...

As the axiom goes...

Everything before the "but" is bullshit.

...poser.

 

[nerfhearder]

As the axiom goes...

Everything before the "but" is bullshit.

...poser.

What difference does it make to you? Has nothing to do with you and never will. You want to see one or both of us exposed but that isn't going to happen here so I suggest getting over it.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Is this a comedy thread? Satire? Anything?

Is this your ass in your avatar?

 

[KingOrfeo]

What a burden it must be trying to contain your vast intellect and complete understanding of everything on the face of the earth. Your mind is a treasure.

I guess we all have our crosses to bear.

If Flynn was communicating with the Russian Foreign Minister, the RFM can tell Putin, therefore he knows.

 

[KingOrfeo]

NIf Flynn or anyone else is playing footsie with the Russians, THE RUSSIANS AREN'T FUCKING GOING TO TELL ANYBODY!! It would be "burning" a valuable source.

In such a situation, blackmail is always a card up the sleeve, even if it is one only to be played in the most extreme circumstances; and the mark is all the more cooperative because he knows it's there.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I don't see how.

It's as plainly simple as that. CNN and the left screamed Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo when Trump won, and went further into insanity. Gotta blame anyone else but themselves and primarily Hilary's record and image, to name one reason.

So yea, great idea, let's pin it on the Russians and call trump a traitor.

All you are simply not over the election. And the irony is, if anyone's supposed to be 'Russian apologists' if that term still exists, it's the left!

so the Russians are going, hey what, sanctions? Any balanced mind knows they do not deserve those at this point.

It's like someone getting pissed coz they would've elected the one they wouldn't have elected had they known the truth by themselves, but in this case, it appears the Russians may have informed them. So they got pissed.

Its absolutely ridiculous.

Do you seriously believe that? Ask yourself if you have ever seen this level of negative response to anyone else being elected president. I mean aside from the Tea Party.

 

[sr71plt]

If Flynn was communicating with the Russian Foreign Minister, the RFM can tell Putin, therefore he knows.

I was looking around for my posts on that. Flynn was communicating with the Russian ambassador to the United States, not the Russian foreign minister--as far as I can tell. But it's same/same.

I also think it's becoming increasingly evident that Flynn was calling at Trump's behest, not in his own capacity, and is on the cusp of saying so directly because he's not the type of person who likes falling on his sword for someone else. A clause in his resignation letter implies it was only the VP who didn't know what he was doing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

All you are simply not over the election. And the irony is, if anyone's supposed to be 'Russian apologists' if that term still exists, it's the left!

Not on the Earth with the blue sky. Heck, the biggest Russian apologist on this board is renard ruse and he ain't no liberal.

 

[irksomesauce]

What difference does it make to you? Has nothing to do with you and never will. You want to see one or both of us exposed but that isn't going to happen here so I suggest getting over it.

You really shouldn't announce on the GB you can expose a pretender on the GB unless you actually long to expose yourself as one, too.

Good job!