‘What did he know and when did he know it’

[Colonel Hogan]

I missed the whole blackmail angle.
How was Flynn at risk of being blackmailed?

Putin knew all about what he had done.

OMG!! He did??

So how would that work then? If Flynn at some point refused to 'play ball' Putin would call Trump and say, "Hey, your national security adviser is having secret negotiations with the Russ-- uh......never mind......wrong number!"

 

[KingOrfeo]

OMG!! He did??

So how would that work then? If Flynn at some point refused to 'play ball' Putin would call Trump and say, "Hey, your national security adviser is having secret negotiations with the Russ-- uh......never mind......wrong number!"

No, he could tell CNN.

 

[ishtat]

Baying for blood?

The one good thing about the Flynn fracas is the fact that there is a very clear conflict between the White House view of Russia/Putin and the almost unanimous anti - Russia/Putin views of the Republicans in Congress.

Tillerson, Pence and the security Pro's the only winners? Trump, Bannon et al, seriously diminished credibility.

I hope there is some sort of enquiry - bound to be blood on the floor.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Funny how these patriotic Americans have no concern about Trump very possibly being co-opted by Russia.

They so fulla shit!

 

[sr71plt]

OMG!! He did??

So how would that work then? If Flynn at some point refused to 'play ball' Putin would call Trump and say, "Hey, your national security adviser is having secret negotiations with the Russ-- uh......never mind......wrong number!"

I told you how it works. The mark gets so hooked and so much doesn't want anything to be revealed that 99 percent of the time he/she continues giving the blackmailers what they want. It's naive to think that they don't get hooked and hope it never gets out. For the other 1 percent, there are ways to make them suffer without revealing the blackmailer's role. But they normally get something that wakes them up to "I don't want to face the music" and takes them back into cooperation.

This is the real world, Hogan, not some theoretical construct.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is rumbling today (even the Republican chair) of bringing Flynn in to testimony. He seems the kind of guy who will spill his guts rather than accept the view from under the bus. I suggest he might start using a food taster and not walk by any open car trunks.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I told you how it works. The mark gets so hooked and so much doesn't want anything to be revealed that 99 percent of the time he/she continues giving the blackmailers what they want. It's naive to think that they don't get hooked and hope it never gets out. For the other 1 percent, there are ways to make them suffer without revealing the blackmailer's role. But they normally get something that wakes them up to "I don't want to face the music" and takes them back into cooperation.

Seems to me you know entirely too much about blackmail.

 

[sr71plt]

Seems to me you know entirely too much about blackmail.

It's a tough world. And as Trump said the other day, "You don't think it's only the Russians who do these things, do you?"

Folks got all huffy and "butter wouldn't melt" about that, but all but the starry eyed knew he was right. Doesn't mean he was smart to say it.

How do folks suppose we have the transcripts of Flynn's telephone discussions with the Russian foreign minister. A suppose it could be that Flynn was being targeted for intercept (which would be illegal), but we sure as hell know the U.S. listens to every Russian foreign minister telephone call (legally). Flynn's stupidity is in not taking that into account.

 

[irksomesauce]

This is the real world, Hogan, not some theoretical construct.

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You're going to have to click your heels together a lot more than that, dorothy.

 

[sr71plt]

Not even bothering to take you off ignore to read that last post, irksome. That's how impotent you are.

 

[OldJourno]

There are two routes to take (I was involved in doing this for two decades). You usually start with the soft route--giving the mark what he wants in exchange for getting what you want. This is often done with sex (combining the two oldest professions--prostitution and spying), but it can be done with wining and dining or money or even just upping the guy's status in some why that impresses him and plays his ego (guess how easy this is with someone like Flynn or Trump). This had already started with Flynn--probably with much more than we know, but we do know he was paid to attend the launching of Russia's new propaganda media vehicle and wined and dined. He went and he was paid (we don't know how much). We don't know what other bennies he was given, but this is Russia and they take the classic approach to this. As long as this is working--as in the Russians getting what they want from this guy--it may stay at this level. And, this, my naive friend, comes under "blackmail" in intell operations. And they already were here with Flynn (and are with Trump too--it's really easy with Trump; simple ego stroking gets you there).

Then, the other route: using having given what he wants to the guy--which moves into the realm of what he doesn't want others to know he wanted (e.g., hookers who do golden showers with him in a hotel room), if he gives you less of what you want from him, or balks at giving you more of what he didn't know you'd demand from him, or shows cold feet about the whole thing, you move into the "or else" phase. The number of people who won't play rather than being exposed to the world--especially full of themselves people like Trump and Flynn--can be counted on the fingers of your elbow.

This doesn't stop at Flynn in the Trump gang--and it started with Trump a long time ago. It's part of why we don't see his taxes; it's in the Russians' quite blatant activity to undermine Clinton's campaign, but not Trump's; it's in the British intell op's dossier that's slowly becoming public--and it's in some of the people Trump has gathered around him. And that it's working with Trump can be seen in the outrageous statements we've all heard him make (starting with the invitation to the Russians to hack Clinton's e-mails even further. They didn't need such an invitation, but it certainly assured them he was in their bed.)

Methinks you just don't know what the scope of blackmail is. In this case it isn't anything Flynn might be open to--it's in what Flynn, Trump, and some others already are embroiled in with the Russians.

This is all really interesting, but where are you getting the information that this was happening? When did it happen?

 

[Fala]

This is bigger than just Flynn.

Did he get sworn in after the DOJ formally notified the WH counsel that he was a blackmail risk? And they let him be sworn in anyway?


The biggie: Did he act at the direction of the President?

Orange is the new black.

 

[sr71plt]

This is all really interesting, but where are you getting the information that this was happening? When did it happen?

For the general remarks, I worked in U.S. intelligence for twenty-seven years (and have published books on the concept of a CIA "candy store" unit doing just what I put in that post.). It's a classic operational scheme for all major spy organizations.

The specific references are in national reporting and from watching the live press conferences on TV. You can hardly have missed the Russian hacking of the DNC emails and use of same in the media during the election campaign. Trump asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails in a press conference televised live. Flynn's trip to Russia to speak at the opening of the new national TV service was reported at the time (including that he was heavily wined and dined and paid). The business interests of Trump and various members of his gang have been well covered (for instance, there's a juxtapositioned image of two tweets--one by Trump saying he has no Russian business interests and one by his son saying the Trumps have lots of Russian business interests floating on Facebook).

If you've missed the Trump-Russian connections, you've been living under a rock for the most part of the last year. And I don't think you have--I think you pick and choose would you recognize as having happened according to your preset agenda.

 

[Fala]

For the general remarks, I worked in U.S. intelligence for twenty-seven years (and have published books on the concept of a CIA "candy store" unit doing just what I put in that post.). It's a classic operational scheme for all major spy organizations.

The specific references are in national reporting and from watching the live press conferences on TV. You can hardly have missed the Russian hacking of the DNC emails and use of same in the media during the election campaign. Trump asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails in a press conference televised live. Flynn's trip to Russia to speak at the opening of the new national radio service was reported at the time (including that he was heavily wined and dined and paid). The business interests of Trump and various members of his gang have been well covered (for instance, there's a juxtapositioned image of two tweets--one by Trump saying he has no Russian business interests and one by his son saying the Trumps have lots of Russian business interests floating on Facebook).

If you've missed the Trump-Russian connections, you've been living under a rock for the most part of the last year. And I don't think you have--I think you pick and choose would you recognize as having happened according to your preset agenda.

I was going to mention how difficult it was to read your post due to the atrocious lack of breaks in your writing.

Then, I saw the word "spy". I surely stopped right there. Your secrets are safe with me.

 

[sr71plt]

IYour secrets are safe with me.

Especially if you don't read them.

And this concept is hardly a secret. It's been going on for centuries.

 

[Fala]

Especially if you don't read them.

And this concept is hardly a secret. It's been going on for centuries.

I truly meant no insult to you doll. I was just playfully trying to remind you to paragraph...break up your sentences for easier reading.

I appreciate yours and everyone else's contribution to this board.

You are an interesting read, as always.

 

[OldJourno]

Trump asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails in a press conference televised live. .

As a matter of fact, the emails had already been hacked and were out there for anyone to read. Trump's comments were designed to make the MSM report on them. Up to that point the hacked emails gathered from an unsecure server were generally being ignored.

 

[sr71plt]

As a matter of fact, the emails had already been hacked and were out there for anyone to read. Trump's comments were designed to make the MSM report on them. Up to that point the hacked emails gathered from an unsecure server were generally being ignored.

Not the emails Trump referred to in the press conference. He said that perhaps the Russians could resurface ones that had gone missing. You apparently didn't watch the press conference live like I did. And you are avoiding addressing the major point. A candidate in a U.S. presidential election was publicly inviting Russian spying to help him win a U.S. election. They did and he did.

You do like to dissimulate to try to serve your preset agendas, don't you? You make a typical spokesperson for the Trump gang.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Since the phone call took place in December,



What did Obama know and when did he know it?


It's not like Flynn was caught on a hot mic assuring Medvedev that after the election he would have more flexibility...

 

[water505]

Putin knew all about what he had done.

What a burden it must be trying to contain your vast intellect and complete understanding of everything on the face of the earth. Your mind is a treasure.

I guess we all have our crosses to bear.

 

[EternalFantasy]

This is bigger than just Flynn.

Did he get sworn in after the DOJ formally notified the WH counsel that he was a blackmail risk? And they let him be sworn in anyway?


The biggie: Did he act at the direction of the President?

I didn't reply to this thread. But honestly, why on earth would anyone care?

There is no proof of direct meddling. Also, the US has meddled in foreign elections ad infinitum. And, if there was meddling, it was only to bring out true info into the open. And, if that info hurt Hilary, its not cause the Russians would have meddled but because, it was simply bad and tips the iceberg on voting for her.

etc etc etc.

Yet, the whiners want sanctions anyway even given all that.

Fair to the Russians? hell no. So the newbie went on the honk old style and said: don't ya worry.

Its very, very dumb.

Damn. Now I need a Himalayan salt bath.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I didn't reply to this thread. But honestly, why on earth would anyone care?

There is no proof of direct meddling. Also, the US has meddled in foreign elections ad infinitum. And, if there was meddling, it was only to bring out true info into the open. And, if that info hurt Hilary, its not cause the Russians would have meddled but because, it was simply bad and tips the iceberg on voting for her.

etc etc etc.

Yet, the whiners want sanctions anyway even given all that.

Fair to the Russians? hell no. So the newbie went on the honk old style and said: don't ya worry.

Its very, very dumb.

Damn. Now I need a Himalayan salt bath.

That equates to the argument that 3 percent of world scientists conclude the climate change isn't man made so the jury is still out on that one.

 

[Rightguide]

Since the phone call took place in December,



What did Obama know and when did he know it?


It's not like Flynn was caught on a hot mic assuring Medvedev that after the election he would have more flexibility...

General Flynn, a spy himself, knew that his phone conversation would be recorded by the Intel agencies in the United States. What he didn't know was there was a traitor in that community that would unmask his name and leak this classified info to the media in order to attack the President.

 

[Queertag45]

As a matter of fact, the emails had already been hacked and were out there for anyone to read. Trump's comments were designed to make the MSM report on them. Up to that point the hacked emails gathered from an unsecure server were generally being ignored.

There should have been an investigation of some sort.

 

[Queertag45]

General Flynn, a spy himself, knew that his phone conversation would be recorded by the Intel agencies in the United States. What he didn't know was there was a traitor in that community that would unmask his name and leak this classified info to the media in order to attack the President.

Poor president snowflake.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

No, he could tell CNN.

I told you how it works. The mark gets so hooked and so much doesn't want anything to be revealed that 99 percent of the time he/she continues giving the blackmailers what they want. It's naive to think that they don't get hooked and hope it never gets out. For the other 1 percent, there are ways to make them suffer without revealing the blackmailer's role. But they normally get something that wakes them up to "I don't want to face the music" and takes them back into cooperation.

This is the real world, Hogan, not some theoretical construct.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is rumbling today (even the Republican chair) of bringing Flynn in to testimony. He seems the kind of guy who will spill his guts rather than accept the view from under the bus. I suggest he might start using a food taster and not walk by any open car trunks.

Not surprisingly, neither one of you idiots are grasping the point I was satirically making.

If Flynn or anyone else is playing footsie with the Russians, THE RUSSIANS AREN'T FUCKING GOING TO TELL ANYBODY!! It would be "burning" a valuable source. It's not like they got him in bed with a hooker. And even if they did presumably Flynn would be intelligent enough about his value to call their bluff. Not to mention the possibility of a victim of such clumsiness getting pissed off and becoming a full-blown double agent against his "handlers."

The only thing that makes one vulnerable to blackmail is having the psychological dysfunction of being a weak ass pussy who CLEARLY violated his publicly held (but false) values and didn't have the personal fortitude to face the music when caught. Whatever his error in this fiasco, that in no way describes Mike Flynn.

Didn't anyone ever tell you guys that in a Mexican standoff the Mexican has as much to lose as the gringo.

I'm sorry. It's my fault for trying to be subtle with morons.