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[Lazaran]

UNWRA accepts that 9 of their roughly 12,000 employees were directly involved in Oct. 7th's terrorism

I’m talking more about the terrorist infrastructure (Hamas, / Hezbollah terror tunnels, command posts, training facilities, weapons stashes, etc.) that were / are embedded / intertwined with UNWRA / UN facilities.



And, yes, only a small number of 10/7 terrorists who actively participated in the genocidal atrocities inside Israel could be positively identified as connected to UNRWA, but that means literally nothing. It would be nigh impossible to identify those in UNWRA who helped facilitate the 10/7 rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation, but who didn’t actively participate in the atrocities in Israel - not to mention, it is quite likely that not all the UNWRA employees who participated in the atrocities in Israel have been (or ever will be) identified.

UNRWA and the UN have failed in Gaza and Lebanon, and it is worth looking at other ways of providing aid to innocent Palestinians without providing aid and comfort to Hamas and Hezbollah.

JMTCW.

 

[butters]

I have ZERO excuses or sympathy for hamas... yes, they shoulder blame for the deaths of Palestinians... but don't any of you tell me that Israel isn't just as culpable in the deaths of innocent civilians after this latest attack on a building, murdering 93 people including at least 20 children

this was in a school, where people were sheltering

the IDF claims hamas operatives were below the school

they bombed it anyway. How is that 'making sure to minimize civilian casualties? They didn't give a flying fuck about the civilians, the babies... they were just throwaways in this war. THIS makes the IDF JUST as bad as hamas.

if anyone is defending this action, defending the indefensible, may your conscience forgive you.

 

[lessOHmo]

UNICEF

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851653648192811094

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, it's very very different.
Allies in World War 2 focused on defeating the Axis military, and to do so they had to cripple the industrial heart of the Axis powers, as well as destroying their transportation infrastructure. As far as humanly possible, they tried to minimize civilian casualties.

The Israeli military action appears to be to the opposite: maximize civilian casualties. They have been documented shooting aid workers, medical staff, and especially foreign journalists. They routinely bomb mosques, hospitals and refugee camps, under the blanket excuse of "well, we thought Hamas was hiding there".


Why should we "mustn't forget"? 9/11 happened, and that was 22 years ago.

The reason we got hit on 9-11 was because we had forgotten Pearl Harbor. When we forget about 9-11 and let our guard down we'll get hit again.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The reason we got hit on 9-11 was because we had forgotten Pearl Harbor. When we forget about 9-11 and let our guard down we'll get hit again.

It staggers the adult mind just how ignorant you are sometimes.
The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Extremist (Wahabbi) Saudi Arabians flew planes into the World Trade Center.
What Americans "forgot" (and which Israel will soon understand) is that Arabs carry a grudge for a very very long time.
Why were Arab extremists so angry?
Three major things

• Sanctions against Iraq
• The United States turning a blind eye to Israeli atrocities in Lebanon
• Prince Sultan Air Force Base.

The third item appears to have been the biggest. President George H.W. Bush used his friendship with aging dotard Saudi King ibn Saud to strongarm him into allowing US troops to be garrisoned in Saudi Arabia. Arabs as a whole hated that, and there were sporadic protests and attacks on US personnel. The US suggested moving their forces to the middle of nowhere (essentially the equivalent of "Idaho" in Saudi Arabia) and build the massive Prince Sultan AFB. The local yokels (think: "evangelical Idahoans") really despised this, blamed the US CIA and attempted to bomb the parking garage of the WTC in New York, believing (possibly correctly) that the CIA managed operations from there. In 2001, a complacent United States was introduced to the concept of massive terrorist attacks.

 

[Politruk]

Famine in Gaza

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851252868772172220

Not even you believe that's for real.

 

[Lazaran]

if anyone is defending this action, defending the indefensible, may your conscience forgive you.

There is “defending the indefensible”, and then there is “putting / keeping things in perspective”.

The U.S., etc, did some pretty horrific things to knock the fight out of the fanatical Germans and Japanese in World War II to end the years-long fighting and achieve a lasting peace. (Yes, the Israelis ARE doing some pretty horrific things - and for what I would submit are nearly identical reasons.)

 

[Rightguide]

Bill Clinton clues in the ignorant, which is most of the Democrat Party:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852116637752705343

 

[Rightguide]

If Vice President Harris wins, Israel will continue to receive the military support it has received under President Biden. She won’t bow to left-wing pressure to abandon our ally.

BS.

 

[Politruk]

The reason we got hit on 9-11 was because we had forgotten Pearl Harbor.

That is some world-class idiocy.

 

[Politruk]

Bill Clinton clues in the ignorant, which is most of the Democrat Party:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852116637752705343

It was not Arafat who scuttled the Oslo Accords. It was the Israeli who assassinated Rabin who did that.

 

[Rightguide]

It was not Arafat who scuttled the Oslo Accords, it was the Israeli who assassinated Rabin

Fuck off dipshit. He knows more about it than you do.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The US election has changed the game in Israel and the rest of the Middle East. The $40 billion in oil revenue Iran has collected due to Biden’s non enforcement of US sanctions is about to shut down. The maximum pressure campaign is coming back. And Iran’s nuclear facilities will no longer be off limits from any attack. Iran and it’s surrogates Hamas and Hezbollah have some serious recalculating to do.

 

[south7eventh]

For fourteen hundred years the extreme friction between Shia and Sunni Moslems has been THE norm and will never change.As a lifelong believer in the right of Israel to exist as the home for those who follow the Jewish faith, I think that the enmity shown by the Moslem tribes to Israel is secondary to the religious civil war. I know that may be an extremely crass statement but I believe it to be true.

That is why it is so important for President Trump to continue with peace making, via the Abraham Accords, that he achieved in his first term.TINA…there is no alternative. Biden’s relative lack of attention to the Middle East has been a disaster.

 

[butters]

Northern Gaza at imminent risk of famine, WHO says

Trump’s election sparked celebrations in Israel, and has fueled concerns among analysts of further escalation amid a deepening humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

IDF says:

It also said that 713 aid trucks were brought into northern Gaza since the beginning of October.

However, this amounts to an average of just 18 trucks per day, far short of what is required. Before the current conflict began in October 2023, more than 500 trucks per day crossed into Gaza, according to the International Rescue Committee.

Israel's parliament also voted in October to ban the operations of UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees, the primary agency delivering humanitarian aid in Gaza, that also provides essential services such as health care, education and psychological support.

 

[butters]

PM’s aides said suspected of blackmailing IDF officer to alter records from Oct. 7

On Tuesday, the court made public the existence of another investigation into “events related to the beginning of the war.” Hebrew media indicated the probe was related to a July report on Ynet that Netanyahu’s former military secretary, Maj. Gen. Avi Gil, had some months before warned the attorney general of efforts to change protocols of security discussions.

Channel 13 said Netanyahu’s office was especially spooked by the probe that was publicized on Tuesday, and that Gallant’s ouster hours later was a bid to divert the public’s attention.

According to Channel 12, as part of the alleged attempt to change protocols, Netanyahu’s aides are thought to have used “sensitive footage” of a military secretariat officer in order to coax him into changing protocols discussions from the night of October 6-7, 2023 — hours before thousands of Hamas-led terrorists stormed southern Israel to kill some 1,200 people and take 251 hostages, sparking the war in Gaza.

 

[butters]

While Israel's wars with Hamas and Hezbollah continue in Gaza and Lebanon, Qatar officials no longer will mediate a cease-fire deal on behalf of Hamas, NBC News reported. CNN and Fox News unnamed U.S. officials also confirmed the decision.

The IDF has targeted Hamas and Hezbollah militants during dozens of military actions begun Friday morning and continuing through the overnight hours and into Saturday.

Hamas recently rejected a cease-fire proposal mediated by Qatar.

Qatar officials notified Hamas, Israeli and U.S. officials regarding its decision to expel Hamas 10 days ago.

"Qatar has become increasingly frustrated with a lack of progress toward a cease-fire by both Hamas and Israel," one of the diplomats told NBC News Saturday morning.

"Hamas has been told that if this continues then Qatar cannot continue to host them."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=681722126c6e4248bb1aaf443a0f994d&ei=229

 

[Lazaran]

For fourteen hundred years the extreme friction between Shia and Sunni Moslems has been THE norm and will never change.As a lifelong believer in the right of Israel to exist as the home for those who follow the Jewish faith, I think that the enmity shown by the Moslem tribes to Israel is secondary to the religious civil war. I know that may be an extremely crass statement but I believe it to be true.

That is why it is so important for President Trump to continue with peace making, via the Abraham Accords, that he achieved in his first term.TINA…there is no alternative. Biden’s relative lack of attention to the Middle East has been a disaster.

Um, DonOld assassinated Iran’s national hero, tried to collapse Iran’s economy, excluded the Palestinians from the Abraham accords, moved the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, imposed Muslim bans, made the “Doha Deal” with the Taliban that released 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters and collapsed the Afghanistan government, etc, etc, etc,

 

[UltraChad]

Um, DonOld assassinated Iran’s national hero, tried to collapse Iran’s economy, excluded the Palestinians from the Abraham accords, moved the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, imposed Muslim bans, made the “Doha Deal” with the Taliban that released 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters and collapsed the Afghanistan government, etc, etc, etc,

Trump was against the declared enemies of the USA!!

No wonder Democrats hate him so much.

 

[Rightguide]

Um, DonOld assassinated Iran’s national hero, tried to collapse Iran’s economy, excluded the Palestinians from the Abraham accords, moved the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, imposed Muslim bans, made the “Doha Deal” with the Taliban that released 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters and collapsed the Afghanistan government, etc, etc, etc,

Biden turned it all around and rebuilt Iran's economy by dropping Trump's sanctions, he allowed them to sell oil, and gave them billion upon billions of both American and sequestered dollars they needed to fund the current war in the Middle east. Yes Biden paid for all of Iran's war efforts currently underway. The money that went to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Biden did that. When Trump left office Iran was economically crippled. They were all but done. Then along came Joe Biden and the war hawks.

 

[Politruk]

Trump was against the declared enemies of the USA!!

No wonder Democrats hate him so much.

Trump made the “Doha Deal” with the Taliban that released 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters and collapsed the Afghanistan government, etc. Those are declared enemies of the USA.

 

[UltraChad]

Trump made the “Doha Deal” with the Taliban that released 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters and collapsed the Afghanistan government, etc. Those are declared enemies of the USA.

WHATTABOUT ORANGE MAN!!! LOL

 

[Lazaran]

For fourteen hundred years the extreme friction between Shia and Sunni Moslems has been THE norm and will never change.As a lifelong believer in the right of Israel to exist as the home for those who follow the Jewish faith, I think that the enmity shown by the Moslem tribes to Israel is secondary to the religious civil war. I know that may be an extremely crass statement but I believe it to be true.

That is why it is so important for President Trump to continue with peace making, via the Abraham Accords, that he achieved in his first term.TINA…there is no alternative. Biden’s relative lack of attention to the Middle East has been a disaster.

Um, DonOld assassinated Iran’s national hero, tried to collapse Iran’s economy, excluded the Palestinians from the Abraham accords, moved the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, imposed Muslim bans, made the “Doha Deal” with the Taliban that released 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters and collapsed the Afghanistan government, etc, etc, etc,

Biden turned it all around and rebuilt Iran's economy by dropping Trump's sanctions, he allowed them to sell oil, and gave them billion upon billions of both American and sequestered dollars they needed to fund the current war in the Middle east. Yes Biden paid for all of Iran's war efforts currently underway. The money that went to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Biden did that. When Trump left office Iran was economically crippled. They were all but done. Then along came Joe Biden and the war hawks.

Rightard FAILS to understand / comprehend the point that was being made:

DonOld was NOT a “peace” maker, and DonOld fucked up the Middle East in maaaaaany ways.

Fuckwits, like Rightard, FAIL to recognize / acknowledge DonOld’s contributions to the conflicts in the Middle East AND Ukraine, etc (not to mention weakening the U.S. alliances). Just like they FAIL to recognize / acknowledge DonOld’s contributions to the Covid crisis AND the subsequent economic crisis (inflation) - not to mention DonOld’s contributions to domestic social unrest. (The Derek Chauvin riots and looting occurred under DonOld’s administration - after Derek Chauvin was “rough” on (murdered) a handcuffed George Floyd at DonOld’s instruction..)

Fuckwits, like Rightard, NEVER hold DonOld or republicans accountable and make them take responsibility for ANYTHING. (Including rape, other criminality, and treason.)

Hope that ^ helps.



Rightard

 

[RobDownSouth]

Welp, Biden's 30-day ultimatum to Israel to come up with a plan to cease their campaign of genocide hit the deadline yesterday.

Israel celebrated the deadline by bombing a few schools in Gaza to thumb their nose at America, a giant "fuck you" to the Biden administration.

The Biden administration....did nothing.

Extremely disappointed that Israel has backed the United States of America down.

To make matters worse, in fiscal year 2024 America has sent more weapons (mostly bombs) to Israel than any other year since 1948. Twice as much, in fact.

I thought Biden might use his "lame duck" status to shore up his reputation in history.

 

[lessOHmo]

Good