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[BrightShinyGirl]

More details have emerged about the final minutes of Sinwar. A random IDF patrol spotted someone suspicious hiding in a building and fired a tank shell at him.

Three men fled -- Sinwar and his two bodyguards one of whom was a UN employee.

In the running firefight that ensued, Sinwar got separated from his bodyguards and ran to the second floor of another building. The IDF sent in a drone to investigate, then fired another tank shell into the room where he was.

Sinwar's body was later found in the rubble. It's lucky it happened like this. Sinwar has kept himself surrounded by hostages to prevent the IDF from taking him out with an airstrike. This way no innocent Palestinians or hostages were killed in the operation.

 

[ll74]

Fuck him and anyone else who puts their bullshit ahead of their people.

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in Gaza, Israel says​

 

[deckardB26354]

Sinwar and his two bodyguards one of whom was a UN employee.

Point to me, on this doll of a dead Sinwar, where the UN hurt you.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Point to me, on this doll of a dead Sinwar, where the UN hurt you.

UNRWA supports Hamas. UNIFIL supports Hezbollah. UN organizations should not be collaborating with terrorists. It undermines the mission of the United Nations and endangers all UN workers worldwide.

There's no evidence that the International Red Cross has collaborated with Hamas, but they certainly haven't applied any pressure to ensure the health and safety of the Israeli hostages during their year of captivity.

 

[ll74]

UNRWA supports Hamas. UNIFIL supports Hezbollah. UN organizations should not be collaborating with terrorists. It undermines the mission of the United Nations and endangers all UN workers worldwide.

There's no evidence that the International Red Cross has collaborated with Hamas, but they certainly haven't applied any pressure to ensure the health and safety of the Israeli hostages during their year of captivity.

This is a more complex situation.

I suggest you watch Spy Game with Brad Pitt and Robert Redford...it does a good job of explaining that part of things

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This is a more complex situation.

I suggest you watch Spy Game with Brad Pitt and Robert Redford...it does a good job of explaining that part of things

It's very simple. The UN as a multinational institution should not be picking sides in a war, and they definitely should not be supporting terrorism. If UNIFIL had done its job in Lebanon over the last 20 years, the IDF would not be fighting on Israel's northern border. If UNRWA had done its job in Gaza over the last 75 years, IDF would not be fighting a war on Israel's western border.

 

[Lazaran]

UNRWA supports Hamas. UNIFIL supports Hezbollah. UN organizations should not be collaborating with terrorists. It undermines the mission of the United Nations and endangers all UN workers worldwide.

There's no evidence that the International Red Cross has collaborated with Hamas, but they certainly haven't applied any pressure to ensure the health and safety of the Israeli hostages during their year of captivity.

The moment Hamas refused to allow the Red Cross access to the hostages, my attitude towards the total war approach to dealing with Hamas in Gaza changed dramatically.

Hearing that Sinwar had a UN employee as a bodyguard is as infuriating as it is unsurprising.

Another stain on the UN and the international community.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Netanyahu calls on the Gazans holding the hostages to lay down their arms and let the hostages go.

“Sinwar destroyed your lives. He told you he was a lion, but in practice, he hid in a dark tunnel and was eliminated when he fled in a panic from our soldiers. His elimination is an important milestone in the demise of the Hamas axis of evil.

“Hamas will no longer rule Gaza. This is the beginning of the day after Hamas, and this is an opportunity for you, the residents of Gaza, to finally break free from its tyranny. And at the same time I say, whoever harms our hostages, his blood will be on his head. We will come to a reckoning with him.”

Let's hope the people of Gaza listen.

 

[ll74]

It's very simple. The UN as a multinational institution should not be picking sides in a war, and they definitely should not be supporting terrorism. If UNIFIL had done its job in Lebanon over the last 20 years, the IDF would not be fighting on Israel's northern border. If UNRWA had done its job in Gaza over the last 75 years, IDF would not be fighting a war on Israel's western border.

I offered up information. Ignore it if you want.

It's not simple.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I offered up information. Ignore it if you want.

It's not simple.

A 20-year-old Hollywood spy drama is not relevant to today's situation in the Middle East.

 

[ll74]

A 20-year-old Hollywood spy drama is not relevant to today's situation in the Middle East.

It is.

But you can think it isn't

 

[coati]

Netanyahu calls on the Gazans holding the hostages to lay down their arms and let the hostages go.

“Sinwar destroyed your lives. He told you he was a lion, but in practice, he hid in a dark tunnel and was eliminated when he fled in a panic from our soldiers. His elimination is an important milestone in the demise of the Hamas axis of evil.

“Hamas will no longer rule Gaza. This is the beginning of the day after Hamas, and this is an opportunity for you, the residents of Gaza, to finally break free from its tyranny. And at the same time I say, whoever harms our hostages, his blood will be on his head. We will come to a reckoning with him.”

Let's hope the people of Gaza listen.

The problem is that Netanyahu is essentially telling Gaza residents to break free from Hamas's tyranny and then starve to death in a refugee camp.

He has 29 days to either reverse that policy or lose access to offensive weapons from the Biden administration.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The problem is that Netanyahu is essentially telling Gaza residents to break free from Hamas's tyranny and then starve to death in a refugee camp.

He has 29 days to either reverse that policy or lose access to offensive weapons from the Biden administration.

When Hamas stops stealing the aid that Israel sends to Gaza, there won't be any danger of starvation. The death of Sinwar makes the liberation of the Palestinian people infinitely more likely. There is now a route forward to end the killing and suffering in Gaza.

 

[RobDownSouth]

When Hamas stops stealing the aid that Israel sends to Gaza, there won't be any danger of starvation. The death of Sinwar makes the liberation of the Palestinian people infinitely more likely. There is now a route forward to end the killing and suffering in Gaza.

There won't be any starvation anymore because the rules have changed.

The United States of America essentially ordered a "cease and desist" on Israel from using that particular excuse on Tuesday.

America made it clear that food and medicine are to be delivered to Gaza relief efforts without conditions or exceptions, and if some is stolen so be it.

The USA also demanded "dual use" items (civilian stuff that could theoretically be used by Hamas) no longer to be subject to embargo by Israel. I suspect that means importing gasoline into Gaza.

The consequence of failure to abide by the new US dictates is suspension of offensive military aid to Israel beginning in 29 days.

Israel has proven that they are incapable of basic human decency in Gaza and in a 24/7 news cycle they no longer even try to hide their culpability in their war crimes. They convinced themselves that the United States would always "have their back", no matter what. It's obviously the Israeli government miscalculated badly. Actions finally have consequences, and the United States is stepping in to change the rules of engagement as a result.

About damned time.

The US State Department has to certify every single munitions export as being used in accordance with the rules of war. President Biden has instructed the State department to withhold certification on munitions export to Israel if they refuse to "bend the knee" and conduct military operations with an emphasis on minimizing civilian casualties. The deadline for compliance is in 29 days.

No certification, no military aid leaves the confines of the United States.

 

[RobDownSouth]

UNRWA supports Hamas.

The State Department explicity rejects that assertion.
After the 10/7 attack on Israel, Israel claimed (without proof) that "1200" UNRWA workers were active in Hamas and 12 of those 1200 (of the 13,000 total) actually participated in the attack itself.

After investigation, it was determined that 0.22% (far less than one percent) of UNRWA workers were involved in Hamas activities.

The United States, as part of the "new rules", declared Israel MUST allow UNRWA workers to return to Gaza.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Bunch of old men in suburban america speaking with authority about the middle east.

Hilarious!

…….and a wank spanner like you presuming he knows peoples background.

 

[coati]

There won't be any starvation anymore because the rules have changed.

The United States of America essentially ordered a "cease and desist" on Israel from using that particular excuse on Tuesday.

America made it clear that food and medicine are to be delivered to Gaza relief efforts without conditions or exceptions, and if some is stolen so be it.

The USA also demanded "dual use" items (civilian stuff that could theoretically be used by Hamas) no longer to be subject to embargo by Israel. I suspect that means importing gasoline into Gaza.

The consequence of failure to abide by the new US dictates is suspension of offensive military aid to Israel beginning in 29 days.

Israel has proven that they are incapable of basic human decency in Gaza and in a 24/7 news cycle they no longer even try to hide their culpability in their war crimes. They convinced themselves that the United States would always "have their back", no matter what. It's obviously the Israeli government miscalculated badly. Actions finally have consequences, and the United States is stepping in to change the rules of engagement as a result.

About damned time.

The US State Department has to certify every single munitions export as being used in accordance with the rules of war. President Biden has instructed the State department to withhold certification on munitions export to Israel if they refuse to "bend the knee" and conduct military operations with an emphasis on minimizing civilian casualties. The deadline for compliance is in 29 days.

No certification, no military aid leaves the confines of the United States.

Tonight new MAGAt election commercials in Arizona have already jumped on this Biden policy, alleging that being critical of Netanyahu is "anti-Semitic", and that Harris will be even worse in this regard.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tonight new MAGAt election commercials in Arizona have already jumped on this Biden policy, alleging that being critical of Netanyahu is "anti-Semitic", and that Harris will be even worse in this regard.

I suspect the ad was paid for by AIPAC. "Errything critical of Israel is ipso facto anti-Semitic!"

 

[Politruk]

I've maintained all along that Hamas was a cancer on Gaza, ruthlessly stealing from the Gazan people and hiding behind them to attack Israel.

Joining Hamas might well seem like the best available option, to many a patriotic Palestinian of good heart and civic virtue.

It is at any rate a more reasonable and honorable choice than voting Likud would be to an Israeli.

 

[deckardB26354]

UNRWA supports Hamas. UNIFIL supports Hezbollah. UN organizations should not be collaborating with terrorists. It undermines the mission of the United Nations and endangers all UN workers worldwide.

There's no evidence that the International Red Cross has collaborated with Hamas, but they certainly haven't applied any pressure to ensure the health and safety of the Israeli hostages during their year of captivity.

So any agency that provides aid to Palestinians is evil—right, gotcha.

So a little internet searching and voila, facts (if you believe in that sort of thing). If you read everything Jewish, you’ll come to the scorching conclusion that UNRWA is in league with Hamas. If you read other news sources, you might find that it’s not quite the way it was (or is).

First, let UNRWA ‘splain for themselves…

UNRWA: CLAIMS VERSUS FACTS​

https://www.unrwa.org/unrwa-claims-versus-facts-february-2024

The Claim: Citing alleged intelligence estimates, several media have relayed claims that around 10% of all UNRWA staff in Gaza, or about 1,200 people, have links to Hamas or the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
The Facts: UNRWA has not received any information, let alone any evidence, from the Israeli Authorities or any other Member State about the above claim. UNRWA became aware of this claim first from international media and later from a press briefing by an Israeli government official.   
Like any other UN organization, UNRWA carries out detailed reference checks on any staff the Agency recruits. In addition, UNRWA shares the names, employee numbers, and functions of all staff members every year in all five areas of operations with the host authorities (Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestinian Authority) and, for the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza, with Israel as the occupying power.  This means that at all times, host states and Israel are fully informed and aware of the details of all staff members working for UNRWA. Other UN Member States also receive these lists upon request.

Now a not-quite-biased news source…

An independent review finds no evidence for Israel's claims about UNRWA and Hamas​

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/28/1247...ence-for-israels-claims-about-unrwa-and-hamas

RASCOE: So late January until this past week - this review took about nine weeks. What are some of the key findings?
NORTHAM: Well, the review found that, in fact, UNRWA was doing everything in his power to ensure its neutrality. However, it also found some employees had expressed political views and said critical breaches of neutrality could include the discovery of weapons and tunnels, which the agency always protests. I spoke with William Deere, and he heads UNRWA's Washington representative office, and he felt that the report was fair and balanced. Here he is here.
WILLIAM DEERE: Foreign Minister Colonna said - you know, confirmed that we actually have procedures and mechanisms in place to address neutrality better than any other U.N. agency or NGO, and that's because of the politically challenging part of the world in which we operate. But like anyone, you can do better, and hence the recommendations that she included in the report.
NORTHAM: You know, and some of the recommendations include better training, a more robust screening of employees. You know, until just recently, Israel received lists of UNRWA employees, but without Palestinian identification numbers. And then in March, the list did have ID numbers, and that's when Israel says a significant number of employees were members of terrorist organizations. But, you know, Ayesha, the report said Israel has yet to provide supporting evidence of that. Israel, for its part, dismissed the findings of the review, saying it doesn't deal with the, quote, "scope of Hamas' infiltration" into UNRWA.

Now, just to show that I’m not cherry picking facts…

Nine UNRWA staff members were possibly involved in attack on Israel, UN says​

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...olved-oct-7-attack-israel-says-un-2024-08-05/

"For us, any participation in the attacks is a tremendous betrayal of the sort of work that we are supposed to be doing on behalf of the Palestinian people."

The United Nations launched the investigation after Israel charged in January that 12 UNRWA staff took part in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks that triggered the Gaza war. Seven more cases were brought to the U.N.'s attention in March and April.

Israel stepped up its accusations in March, saying over 450 UNRWA staff were military operatives in Gaza terrorist groups. UNRWA employs 32,000 people across its area of operations, 13,000 of them in Gaza.

Shortly after the U.N. announcement, Israeli military spokesperson Nadav Shoshani posted on social media platform X, saying "Your 'relief' agency has officially stooped to a new level of low and it is time that the world sees your true face."

The U.N,'s Haq said the United Nations investigation had made findings in relation to 19 UNRWA staff members. Apart from those who may have been involved in the attack, no evidence was obtained to support allegations of one staff member's involvement, while in the other cases the evidence was insufficient to support their involvement.

The numbers seem to vacillate between reports as time passed, but I’ve not seen anything that indicates the numbers involved in the attack that the Israelis are pushing (over 400). It can’t be that difficult to infiltrate an organization like this to do harm against Israel, but to make a blanket statement like the entire organization is against Israel is reckless at best.

 

[lessOHmo]

So any agency that provides aid to Palestinians is evil—right, gotcha.

So a little internet searching and voila, facts (if you believe in that sort of thing). If you read everything Jewish, you’ll come to the scorching conclusion that UNRWA is in league with Hamas. If you read other news sources, you might find that it’s not quite the way it was (or is).

First, let UNRWA ‘splain for themselves…

UNRWA: CLAIMS VERSUS FACTS​

https://www.unrwa.org/unrwa-claims-versus-facts-february-2024


Now a not-quite-biased news source…

An independent review finds no evidence for Israel's claims about UNRWA and Hamas​

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/28/1247...ence-for-israels-claims-about-unrwa-and-hamas


Now, just to show that I’m not cherry picking facts…

Nine UNRWA staff members were possibly involved in attack on Israel, UN says​

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...olved-oct-7-attack-israel-says-un-2024-08-05/


The numbers seem to vacillate between reports as time passed, but I’ve not seen anything that indicates the numbers involved in the attack that the Israelis are pushing (over 400). It can’t be that difficult to infiltrate an organization like this to do harm against Israel, but to make a blanket statement like the entire organization is against Israel is reckless at best.

STFU with these BS sources from anti JEW sites

fuck off freak degenerate putz

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

If Netanyahu had listened to Biden and hadn’t sent troops into Rafah, Sinwar would still be alive.

 

[lessOHmo]

CamelHO studied the maps

 

[lessOHmo]

Of Course: Sinwar's Bodyguard Was a UNRWA Teacher​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846982392147595503

go run to NP etc and say the UN is innocent

FUCK YOU DIRTBAG

 

[RobDownSouth]

If Netanyahu had listened to Biden and hadn’t sent troops into Rafah, Sinwar would still be alive.

If Netanyahu had concentrated on finding Sinwar instead of running up the civilian body count in Gaza, there would be a lot more civilians alive in Gaza right now.

But he didn't, so they aren't.

See? I can do that too!