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[BrightShinyGirl]

hostage's family voices their concerns about Israel's north-bound actions:










he continues on to explain his frustration about the peace treaty that had been on the table as little as a month ago, with hamas having agreed to stipulations, but now it seems out of reach with new proposals being put forward that people know are never going to be accepted.

the pain these people must be living through, since Oct.7th's massacre and hostage grab, with dead family members' bodies as yet not returned and with living family still held in extremely dangerous conditions, cannot be imagined at a realistic level.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=30fb728416a14ef2b309236f01569484&ei=95

the pain these people must be living through, since Oct.7th's massacre and hostage grab, with dead family members' bodies as yet not returned, with living family still held in

For months Israel prioritized saving the hostages in Gaza in the south over the plight of the Israelis being killed and driven from their homes by Hezbollah's unrelenting missile attacks in the north. Hopefully, the international community will finally pressure Hamas, Hezbollah, and their backers to release the hostages and stop attacking Israel so peace can return to the middle east.

 

[butters]

The UN says the attacks have forced more than 90,000 people in Lebanon from their homes, with around 100 civilians and 366 Hezbollah fighters killed in Israeli strikes. In Israel, officials say 60,000 civilians have had to abandon their homes and 33 people have been killed, including 10 civilians, because of attacks by Hezbollah.

the displacement and murder of civilian populations is unacceptable, no matter which side they occur on. It breeds fear, resentment, and lends itself to radicalisation. Not helpful.

Israel says they have to move into Lebanon to stop hezbollah attacking them; hezbollah says when Israel stops attacking Gaza then they'll stop bombing the North.

Israel had the ability to get the hostages back; multiple countries pressured both sides for a ceasefire to achieve this. Israel decided, instead, to expand attacks on hezbollah as a preferred route.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o

Huge swathes of land in both countries has seen burn damage, with Israeli land taking the worst of it:
hezbollah's attacks on Israeli land have largely been about destroying agricultural land; it knows that the Iron Dome doesn't target missiles it deems as not being a threat to well-populated areas, allowing them to fall... hezbollah has taken full advantage of that. For people depending on that land for crops, it's devastating.
Israel, on the other hand, continues to target towns and cities, heavily-populated areas, with the reasoning that hezbollah hides amongst civilians. No doubt it does, just as hamas does, though hamas can barely do anything else given the tiny amount of land Palestinians can live on (which has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk). Nevertheless, Israeli bombing of civilian areas is a fact, just as it is a fact the IDF has attacked aid trucks/workers and seem to feel civilian deaths are justified if they can take out a few hamas operatives.


It's unconscionable, to me, that anyone can lay all the blame at the feet of hamas, iran-backed hezbollah and the lack of pressure from outside countries but fail to even consider Israel's own responsibility in all of this.

 

[butters]

and yet another strike on a shelter in Gaza, killing 15

Israel breaks the most basic tenet of warfare, just as Russia does in Ukraine, by just yet another example of bombing places Palestinian civilians are supposed to be safe in. It is not an isolated incidence but an integral part of the IDF's methodology.

 

[deckardB26354]

This conflict will never end until they’re all dead.

It’s a very simple statement that doesn’t point to any one group or government. It’ll be a fact that is proven when it actually happens. We’ll keep supplying Israel arms and give military support. The Russians will assist Iran and Syria with whatever they can scrape up that hasn’t been committed to attacking Ukraine. Those with the most toys wins. Hopefully either side aren’t stupid enough to employ nuclear weapons, but that would certainly fulfill some prophecies that the hard right in the US are jerking to almost daily.

No treaty will change this. No cease fire will happen—at least while Netanyahu has his iron glove around the throat of Israel. It’s been attempted before many times and it will boil down to the basic fact that my god is better than your god. Fuck your stupid fucking made up god and fuck any worshipper of any religion that would use it to justify the death of another human being.

 

[RobDownSouth]

*snort*
https://i.imgur.com/xefDu66.png

 

[Lazaran]

the displacement and murder of civilian populations is unacceptable, no matter which side they occur on. It breeds fear, resentment, and lends itself to radicalisation. Not helpful.

10/7 happened before any of that, so…

 

[deckardB26354]

*snort*
https://i.imgur.com/xefDu66.png

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

After 360 days, the Secretary General of the UN has finally condemned Hamas for not allowing the International Red Cross to visit the hostages in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...t-allowing-red-cross-visits-to-gaza-hostages/

 

[ll74]

After 360 days, the Secretary General of the UN has finally condemned Hamas for not allowing the International Red Cross to visit the hostages in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...t-allowing-red-cross-visits-to-gaza-hostages/

I honestly just don't get it. Seems like an obvious thing. If Israel did this, they'd condemn them and probably seek prosecution.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I honestly just don't get it. Seems like an obvious thing. If Israel did this, they'd condemn them and probably seek prosecution.

There's a different standard for Jews in the international community.

 

[Lazaran]

There's a different standard for Jews in the international community.

It’s has been mentioned before, but bears repeating:

The UN is basically FIBA or the IOC.

I suspect that a fuckton of oil money from Arab states to the UN, and an appeasement of radical Islam by the UN, for obvious reasons, is making a mockery of the UN as a serious body of arbitration. (See also: Russia, China, India, Turkey, etc.)

 

[Noitall]

After 360 days, the Secretary General of the UN has finally condemned Hamas for not allowing the International Red Cross to visit the hostages in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...t-allowing-red-cross-visits-to-gaza-hostages/

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! Condemnation by the UN........Im sure Hamas will comply now\

STFU!

 

[deckardB26354]

When Canada suggested this amendment be added to a UN resolution about Israel (titled
Illegal Israeli actions in Occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, subsection of Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations), they didn’t get the votes.

Unequivocally rejects and condemns the terrorist attacks by Hamas that took
place in Israel starting on 7 October 2023 and the taking of hostages, demands the
safety, well-being and humane treatment of the hostages in compliance with
international law, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release;

Instead they went with this…

…

Expressing grave concern at the latest escalation of violence since the 7 October
2023 attack and the grave deterioration of the situation in the region, in particular in
the Gaza Strip and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East
Jerusalem, and in Israel,

Condemning all acts of violence aimed at Palestinian and Israeli civilians,
including all acts of terrorism and indiscriminate attacks, as well as all acts of
provocation, incitement and destruction,

…

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/ltd/n23/319/20/pdf/n2331920.pdf

 

[DeluxAuto]

Harsh take, not wrong.

 

[deckardB26354]

Not wrong at all.

 

[lessOHmo]

Tough,

Stop whining

 

[Hel_Books]

Recently, the Muslim nation of Azerbaijan expelled from their territory about a hundred thousand citizens because they were not Muslims. For some reason, this didn't make many headlines . . .

 

[Sappho_CGN]

Recently, the Muslim nation of Azerbaijan expelled from their territory about a hundred thousand citizens because they were not Muslims. For some reason, this didn't make many headlines . . .

Azerbaijan has oil ...

 

[Hel_Books]

What are the possible outcomes in that part of the world?

Will it escalate to a full-blown war? Tanks, planes, drones, missiles, soldiers from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, even Pakistan and Afghanistan on the march, cities burning and refugees fleeing as ethnic hatreds blossom into combat on a dozen different fronts?

Will everyone back down after exhaustion sets in and some temporary resolution is reached? Iran confronting growing domestic unrest, Syria too busy coping with refugees to keep fighting, the hostages rescued from Gaza (or murdered), the Turks running out of money for their occupation forces, Egypt struggling to afford to subsidize bread prices for their teeming millions, Israel's government calling new elections . . .

Will Iran finally build a nuke and set it off, vaporizing Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, provoking a response in kind and leaving the Middle East uninhabitable for decades?

Will the Palestinians relinquish their claims for a caliphate and evacuate Gaza and the West Bank as the Nazis fled from East Prussia after World War II?

Will Israel collapse as suicide terrorism and endless barrages of conventional missiles overwhelm their defenses and devastate their cities, factories and farms, enemy soldiers sweeping in and exterminating the survivors in a second Holocaust?

Will the conflict spill out to the wider world? Pakistan or Turkey destabilized, leading to conflicts over Kashmir or Cyprus, Chinese or Russian shipping targeted by Houthi missiles in the Red Sea, oil supplies disrupted leading to an economic crisis and unrest everywhere, conflict over Taiwan or the Koreas begun by madmen hoping the rest of the world is too distracted to respond?

Or will everything just eventually go back to the "normal" of October 6, leaving everyone waiting for the next atrocity?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

What are the possible outcomes in that part of the world?

Will it escalate to a full-blown war? Tanks, planes, drones, missiles, soldiers from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, even Pakistan and Afghanistan on the march, cities burning and refugees fleeing as ethnic hatreds blossom into combat on a dozen different fronts?

Will everyone back down after exhaustion sets in and some temporary resolution is reached? Iran confronting growing domestic unrest, Syria too busy coping with refugees to keep fighting, the hostages rescued from Gaza (or murdered), the Turks running out of money for their occupation forces, Egypt struggling to afford to subsidize bread prices for their teeming millions, Israel's government calling new elections . . .

Will Iran finally build a nuke and set it off, vaporizing Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, provoking a response in kind and leaving the Middle East uninhabitable for decades?

Will the Palestinians relinquish their claims for a caliphate and evacuate Gaza and the West Bank as the Nazis fled from East Prussia after World War II?

Will Israel collapse as suicide terrorism and endless barrages of conventional missiles overwhelm their defenses and devastate their cities, factories and farms, enemy soldiers sweeping in and exterminating the survivors in a second Holocaust?

Will the conflict spill out to the wider world? Pakistan or Turkey destabilized, leading to conflicts over Kashmir or Cyprus, Chinese or Russian shipping targeted by Houthi missiles in the Red Sea, oil supplies disrupted leading to an economic crisis and unrest everywhere, conflict over Taiwan or the Koreas begun by madmen hoping the rest of the world is too distracted to respond?

Or will everything just eventually go back to the "normal" of October 6, leaving everyone waiting for the next atrocity?

Or … the Islamic regime in Iran is overthrown by an internal revolution. Hamas and Hezbollah collapse because their leadership has been eliminated and they no longer have Iran’s backing, Lebanon and the new government of Iran sign peace treaties with Israel.

I worry that Hamas might execute the remaining hostages out of spite if the IDF can’t get to them in time, but otherwise prospects are looking good for peace in the Middle East.

 

[deckardB26354]

Or … the Islamic regime in Iran is overthrown by an internal revolution. Hamas and Hezbollah collapse because their leadership has been eliminated and they no longer have Iran’s backing, Lebanon and the new government of Iran sign peace treaties with Israel.

As much as I would love to see that happen, I think it’s a bit of a pipe dream. Men have had their way for too long in that part of the country. Women try to resist and they’re murdered—probably by their own families. The woman that was killed while in custody for refusing to wear a head scarf is just one example.

The main reason that Hamas is possibly collapsing is because they’ve been bombed into the Stone Age—along with a lot of innocent women and children. Gaza is now the surface of the moon where Tel Aviv continues to build. They have state of the art medical facilities—some makeshift ERs in garages, but it’s light years ahead of what the Gazans have.

If any peace treaties are signed by Hamas and Israel, it’ll be because there’s nobody left to make up Hamas. It’ll be more like a surrender—much like Japan after we nuked them—then Israel can move in and start making Gaza into another Israeli “settlement.”

I worry that Hamas might execute the remaining hostages out of spite if the IDF can’t get to them in time, but otherwise prospects are looking good for peace in the Middle East.

Hostages, schmostages—Bibi has to “defend” Israel by invading the surrounding countries. That’s more important now. I’m sure you’ve noticed that nothing has been said about the whereabouts and wellbeing of the hostages since Israel started blowing up personal electronics and rolling tanks.

I’m guessing that the longer Netanyahu takes to “negotiate” getting the hostages out, the more reports you’re going to see of the recovery of dead hostages. It could be from starvation, or a rocket attack on a civilian target, or more “oops, we thought you were a terrorist” accidental deaths. Israel will use it as justification to continue in “defending themselves” from evil Hamas.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This thread will be updates related to the war between Hamas and Israel. The other thread on the topic was focused on Biden's foreign policies. This is related to political and military happenings by those involved as well as reaction from the International community.

Starting off, the immediate actions of Israel against Hamas. (I support the destruction of Hamas)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1710949527652298769

One year. It’s been one year since Hamas broke the ceasefire and invaded Israel, killing, raping, and taking hostages.

Over 100 innocents are still being held. Hamas won’t even let the Red Cross visit them to check on their wellbeing. Hopefully the IDF will rescue them before Hamas executes them.

Bring them home!

Am Yisrael Chai!

 

[deckardB26354]

~1,500 Israeli deaths > ~45,000 Palestinian deaths

 

[Rightguide]

One year. It’s been one year since Hamas broke the ceasefire and invaded Israel, killing, raping, and taking hostages.

Over 100 innocents are still being held. Hamas won’t even let the Red Cross visit them to check on their wellbeing. Hopefully the IDF will rescue them before Hamas executes them.

Bring them home!

Am Yisrael Chai!

Iran is the problem. At least five Presidents have promised the Iranians would never get a nuclear weapon, except Joe Biden. By being weak on Iran, giving them billions upon billions, and not enforcing American sanctions, Joe Biden has funded this war against Israel. The bottom line is if Joe won't do it, Israel will have to go after Iran's nuclear infrastructure in order to survive as a nation.

 

[lessOHmo]

~2,000 Israeli deaths > ~45,000 Palestinian deaths

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Not until 4,500,000

Where did u get 45k?