Disrespect for the Dead in Arlington National Cemetery

[dmallord]

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Would be. Can you post that Biden clip? Yeah, it's tough to speak against your boss, funny how that works. It even works for Trump's team members even though they know he is wrong, they fail to inform him... 'cause, well

 

[Lazaran]

Clearly, you can't answer basic military questions about Walz's rank, and you don't get to assume I'm okay with stolen valor just because I served in the military. You know damn little about me, so don't pretend otherwise.

I spent four years, seven months, and three days in the Army, working under a Command Sergeant Major (CSM) for part of that time. [I'll leave you wondering about my odd time span in service.] Your argument is littered with irrelevant distractions that have nothing to do with the core issue of stolen valor. You spout qualifications about CSM training but completely skip defining stolen valor or explaining what Walz allegedly did that qualifies. So, let’s take a few minutes to stand that argument up for an IG inspection.

First, let's clarify the process of promotion to Command Sergeant Major. Walz was selected and approved as a candidate for CSM by the Army Enlisted Board and promoted to E-9 accordingly. He served under that rank for some time and was officially recognized by the US Army and his unit commander as a CSM. This process isn’t arbitrary—it’s based on merit, dedication, and hard work.

Now, promotion to E-9 includes a requirement: completing the CSM training course after the promotion. If someone doesn’t finish the training within the given time, they revert to their former rank. Walz chose to retire and run for Congress before completing the course. As a result, he retired at a lower pay grade, per Army regulations. But let’s be clear—he earned the rank of CSM and served in that role. The fact that his retirement rank was lower due to his career shift doesn't change the reality of his service.

Instead of focusing on irrelevant details like rank at retirement, let's return to the point: Stolen valor involves deception and dishonesty. Walz never falsely claimed a rank he didn’t hold; he served as CSM. His situation doesn't meet the threshold for stolen valor—not by any reasonable interpretation.

Here's where your argument falls apart: Stolen valor refers to falsely claiming honors, awards, or ranks that were never earned. Walz didn’t wear unearned medals or boast false achievements. He served as CSM and was recognized for it during his time in uniform. The only issue is that his retirement pay grade was lower because he retired before completing the CSM course. That’s a technicality, not a deception. It doesn’t meet the definition of stolen valor by any reasonable standard.

For further context, consider this: a three-star general who retires as a one-star is still called "General" out of respect for the position they held, just as a former Congressman is addressed by their former title. No one accuses them of stolen valor because they earned those titles during their service. The same courtesy applies to Walz. Those leveling accusations of 'stolen valor' against him are simply trying to tarnish his reputation with no basis in fact. His brother-in-arms, a former Marine, is among them, much to most military veterans watching this sorted display disrespect to a fellow serviceman.

Hopefully, you don't tag this as TL;DR because getting this far will have helped clear some of your misperceptions about stolen valor and Tim Walz's honorable service time.

All of that ^ is completely valid, but I guarantee that ineedhelp1 was referring to Governor waltz’ comment (and I’m paraphrasing) that civilians shouldn’t carry weapons he carried in war. (Governor Walz obviously misspoke and meant to say “weapons he carried in the military”)



ineedhelp1 is trying to conflate a minor misstatement from Walz (which was corrected) with the very serious charge of “stolen valor”.

ineedhelp1 is a total POS.

 

[jomar]

LOL. No I did not forget. Biden. For a headline.

So the Doha Accord doesn’t ring a bell?

 

[icanhelp1]

Clearly, you can't answer basic military questions about Walz's rank, and you don't get to assume I'm okay with stolen valor just because I served in the military. You know damn little about me, so don't pretend otherwise.

I spent four years, seven months, and three days in the Army, working under a Command Sergeant Major (CSM) for part of that time. [I'll leave you wondering about my odd time span in service.] Your argument is littered with irrelevant distractions that have nothing to do with the core issue of stolen valor. You spout qualifications about CSM training but completely skip defining stolen valor or explaining what Walz allegedly did that qualifies. So, let’s take a few minutes to stand that argument up for an IG inspection.

First, let's clarify the process of promotion to Command Sergeant Major. Walz was selected and approved as a candidate for CSM by the Army Enlisted Board and promoted to E-9 accordingly. He served under that rank for some time and was officially recognized by the US Army and his unit commander as a CSM. This process isn’t arbitrary—it’s based on merit, dedication, and hard work.

Now, promotion to E-9 includes a requirement: completing the CSM training course after the promotion. If someone doesn’t finish the training within the given time, they revert to their former rank. Walz chose to retire and run for Congress before completing the course. As a result, he retired at a lower pay grade, per Army regulations. But let’s be clear—he earned the rank of CSM and served in that role. The fact that his retirement rank was lower due to his career shift doesn't change the reality of his service.

Instead of focusing on irrelevant details like rank at retirement, let's return to the point: Stolen valor involves deception and dishonesty. Walz never falsely claimed a rank he didn’t hold; he served as CSM. His situation doesn't meet the threshold for stolen valor—not by any reasonable interpretation.

Here's where your argument falls apart: Stolen valor refers to falsely claiming honors, awards, or ranks that were never earned. Walz didn’t wear unearned medals or boast false achievements. He served as CSM and was recognized for it during his time in uniform. The only issue is that his retirement pay grade was lower because he retired before completing the CSM course. That’s a technicality, not a deception. It doesn’t meet the definition of stolen valor by any reasonable standard.

For further context, consider this: a three-star general who retires as a one-star is still called "General" out of respect for the position they held, just as a former Congressman is addressed by their former title. No one accuses them of stolen valor because they earned those titles during their service. The same courtesy applies to Walz. Those leveling accusations of 'stolen valor' against him are simply trying to tarnish his reputation with no basis in fact. His brother-in-arms, a former Marine, is among them, much to most military veterans watching this sorted display disrespect to a fellow serviceman.

Hopefully, you don't tag this as TL;DR because getting this far will have helped clear some of your misperceptions about stolen valor and Tim Walz's honorable service time.

He was temporarily promoted which means he met the eligibility requirements for the position, all time sensitive. He was allowed to carry the slot till he satisfied all the requirements for CSM, it’s a temporary promotion allowing for pay status. IN OTHER WORDS he walked like a CSM, talked like a CSM but wasn’t a CSM. He was granted official capacity and was federal recognized as a candidate for CSM. I’m sure he was his Bn commander’s right hand man and conducted himself as a model for his enlisted members under him. What confuses me is how he overstepped senior *first shirts* for the position. I don’t recall any info on his MOS as an E-8. What slot he filled. If he met all the qualifications which requires passing the promotion board… orders are cut officially promoting him to CSM once he met the criteria and qualifications.. He was basically an acting CSM. He was perhaps the most senior qualified E-8 based on time in grade and exceptional NCOERs and was selected and granted the opportunity to fill the slot on the mtoe as opposed to TOE. He can wear the rank and operate in its official capacity but is not officially a CSM till orders are cut promoting him to CSM. His CSM status was temporary. Soldiers will address him as CSM out of respect of the slot he holds. I’d like to know how Walz was allowed to skip over Sergeant Major to CSM. His service record was a good one, no one disputes that. Him leaving while unit deployment orders to Iraq were in the pipeline didn’t sit well with his soldiers. Had he deployed with his unit he’d be a hero today and possibly CSM and entitled to quite a nice retirement pay, perhaps combat pay and all those active duty retirement points, 19 months worth.

The stolen valor comes into focus when he retired and reverted back to E-8 status but continued to refer to himself as CSM.

You talk about generals. Some brig generals are given a command of a division while still a one star, they are allowed to wear the rank of a two star but the second star is called a wooden star. He’s still the commander of the division and can wear the second star, just protocol I guess till he completes the process of being federally recognized as a Major general and orders are cut., it is upon federal recognition the individual is then promoted to major general

The rank of General is a 4 star. The rank structure is Brig, Major General, Lieutenant General then General. There all addressed as general for expediency.

A retired congressman is addressed as congressman out of respect because he officially held the position. Walz was never federally recognized as a CSM. He never received promotion orders promoting him to CSM because he never met the standards for promotion. He held the slot and unfortunately another individual was denied the opportunity to be promoted because Walz held the slot.

 

[icanhelp1]

All of that ^ is completely valid, but I guarantee that ineedhelp1 was referring to Governor waltz’ comment (and I’m paraphrasing) that civilians shouldn’t carry weapons he carried in war. (Governor Walz obviously misspoke and meant to say “weapons he carried in the military”)



ineedhelp1 is trying to conflate a minor misstatement from Walz (which was corrected) with the very serious charge of “stolen valor”.

ineedhelp1 is a total POS.

So Walz gets a pass but Trump is held accountable.
.

 

[ChloeTzang]

So the Doha Accord doesn’t ring a bell?

Irrelevant. We should never have been there and Trump negotiated getting us out. Afghans can sort out their own shit. Biden however, completely fucked up getting US troops out and walked out on our allies, causing chaos.

"Don't underestimate the ability of Joe to fuck things up." Obama was right, and Joe fucked it up.

 

[icanhelp1]

Irrelevant. We should never have been there and Trump negotiated getting us out. Afghans can sort out their own shit. Biden however, completely fucked up getting US troops out and walked out on our allies, causing chaos.

"Don't underestimate the ability of Joe to fuck things up." Obama was right, and Joe fucked it up.

Once UBL was eliminated we should have immediately gotten the fuck out.

 

[Lazaran]

So Walz gets a pass but Trump is held accountable.
.

ineedhelp1 doesn’t get a pass for conflating Governor Walz’ veeeeeery minor slip with “stolen valor”. Shame on ineedhelp1. ineedhelp1 is a total POS and a traitor. Just like Corporal DonOld “brave soldier” Bone spurs.

 

[Lazaran]

I guess you forgot who forced the Afghan withdrawal.

LOL. No I did not forget. Biden. For a headline.

So the Doha Accord doesn’t ring a bell?

Irrelevant. We should never have been there and Trump negotiated getting us out.

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang obviously can’t do logic or common sense.



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang obviously can’t do logic or common sense.



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

LOL. You're a hoot.

 

[Aglaopheme]

the 3(?) families that invited trump had to get mike johnson to intervene to allow him to be present at the wreath placing ceremony. THEY DID NOT RECEIVE PERMISSION to allow filming for a political campaign there in Section 60, and were specifically warned MORE than once and prior to his being there of this fact.
Just because a few want him there, doesn't mean all of the others do and since Arlington Cemetery is run by the Army through gov't finances, their rules and policy aren't up for being ignored just because someone feels like it.

Other family members of the fallen in graves appearing in the footage HAVE complained at the utter disrespect and desecration of the sanctity of their loved ones' gravesites.

I just learned the other day that you can request an official photographer and ANC will provide one for you. Said photog will make certain photos taken do not include any of our other fallen.

 

[icanhelp1]

ineedhelp1 doesn’t get a pass for conflating Governor Walz’ veeeeeery minor slip with “stolen valor”. Shame on ineedhelp1. ineedhelp1 is a total POS and a traitor. Just like DonOld “brave soldier” Trump.

Claiming, on several occasions, a higher rank than he earned, deserve... is not a minor detail and is not a minor slip up. No one slips up pretending to be a Command Sergeant Major. . Along with rank comes integrity.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Once UBL was eliminated we should have immediately gotten the fuck out.

Absolutely 100%. My husband did two tours there with the Marines and it was a shitshow from start to finish.

 

[RoryN]

not a minor slip up.

This definitely isn't one:

I wonder if it's all those black daddies living by the 4 fs ( find them, feel them, fuck them, forget them ).

Post in thread 'The real badbabysitter finally revealed..' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-real-badbabysitter-finally-revealed.1504564/post-90980000

blacks have a higher propensity of violence than all races combined.

Post in thread 'If America Is Racist, Why Have Millions of Blacks Emigrated Here?' https://forum.literotica.com/thread...f-blacks-emigrated-here.1547263/post-93907526

 

[Aglaopheme]

You'll never hear a veteran, active or retired, chastise you for your choice. They understand your choice, whether they agree or disagree with it, took an oath to protect your choice at all cost. You should be ashamed of yourself

What are you talking about? This happens all of the time, even on here.

 

[icanhelp1]

Absolutely 100%. My husband did two tours there with the Marines and it was a shitshow from start to finish.

Several Of my friends did tours, Bagram and FOBs, Most of their patrols went without incident. One friend doing contracting business at Bagram had to duck a few mortar attacks every now and then but everyone made it home safely. "Semper Fi"

 

[icanhelp1]

This definitely isn't one:



Post in thread 'The real badbabysitter finally revealed..' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-real-badbabysitter-finally-revealed.1504564/post-90980000



Post in thread 'If America Is Racist, Why Have Millions of Blacks Emigrated Here?' https://forum.literotica.com/thread...f-blacks-emigrated-here.1547263/post-93907526

56,060

 

[Lazaran]

Claiming, on several occasions, a higher rank than he earned, deserve... is not a minor detail and is not a minor slip up. No one slips up pretending to be a Command Sergeant Major. . Along with rank comes integrity.

Even less valid.

Governor Waltz did indeed serve as a Command Sargeant Major.

It was the rank he held at the time he put in his retirement papers. Just because he didn’t complete some course work to cement the title in retirement doesn’t mean a damn thing.

24 years of service says it all.

ineedhelp1 is a total POS and a traitor - just like Corporal DonOld “brave soldier” Bone spurs.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Biden's alleged criminal violations was as VP and senator.

LOL President, Vice President....hmmm I'm pretty sure the VP shares the same immunity as the President for "Official Acts".

Been a long time since Biden was a Senator, any so called crimes are sure to have past the statues of limitations....

Delusional ranting, take a pill!

Well you know all about "Delusional Ranting" and the pills that control them. Guess you missed your pill today.

 

[RoryN]

56,060

You're omitting a number from this tally: I get "likes" for my Reaction Score every single time I call attention to your abhorrent racism - because members appreciate what I'm doing.

Count that too.

 

[icanhelp1]

What are you talking about? This happens all of the time, even on here.

Chastising a gold star member for choosing Trump, that choice, That's what lowlife Lorazepam did. That's what happens when you inject yourself into a conversation, you're detached from the spirit of the conversation.

 

[jomar]

Irrelevant. We should never have been there and Trump negotiated getting us out. Afghans can sort out their own shit. Biden however, completely fucked up getting US troops out and walked out on our allies, causing chaos.

"Don't underestimate the ability of Joe to fuck things up." Obama was right, and Joe fucked it up.

lol, your indoctrination is complete.

 

[Aglaopheme]

So what you're saying is that brave soldier died in vain because you suffer from TDS. Sick. Freedom of choice and freedom of speech extends to all Americans even if it upsets your little feetsies.

You'll never hear a veteran, active or retired, chastise you for your choice. They understand your choice, whether they agree or disagree with it, took an oath to protect your choice at all cost. You should be ashamed of yourself

You are a delusional dark heart. The fact that you believe your choice is superior to others reflects back to the 1930s. Your total disrespect for others of opposing views is a cancer that permeates the very fiber of your being. SAD!

Does this look like a post chastising
for someone’s opposing views? It sure does to me, and you do it all day every day.

 

[adrina]

He was temporarily promoted which means he met the eligibility requirements for the position, all time sensitive. He was allowed to carry the slot till he satisfied all the requirements for CSM, it’s a temporary promotion allowing for pay status. IN OTHER WORDS he walked like a CSM, talked like a CSM but wasn’t a CSM. He was granted official capacity and was federal recognized as a candidate for CSM. I’m sure he was his Bn commander’s right hand man and conducted himself as a model for his enlisted members under him. What confuses me is how he overstepped senior *first shirts* for the position. I don’t recall any info on his MOS as an E-8. What slot he filled. If he met all the qualifications which requires passing the promotion board… orders are cut officially promoting him to CSM once he met the criteria and qualifications.. He was basically an acting CSM. He was perhaps the most senior qualified E-8 based on time in grade and exceptional NCOERs and was selected and granted the opportunity to fill the slot on the mtoe as opposed to TOE. He can wear the rank and operate in its official capacity but is not officially a CSM till orders are cut promoting him to CSM. His CSM status was temporary. Soldiers will address him as CSM out of respect of the slot he holds. I’d like to know how Walz was allowed to skip over Sergeant Major to CSM. His service record was a good one, no one disputes that. Him leaving while unit deployment orders to Iraq were in the pipeline didn’t sit well with his soldiers. Had he deployed with his unit he’d be a hero today and possibly CSM and entitled to quite a nice retirement pay, perhaps combat pay and all those active duty retirement points, 19 months worth.

The stolen valor comes into focus when he retired and reverted back to E-8 status but continued to refer to himself as CSM.

You talk about generals. Some brig generals are given a command of a division while still a one star, they are allowed to wear the rank of a two star but the second star is called a wooden star. He’s still the commander of the division and can wear the second star, just protocol I guess till he completes the process of being federally recognized as a Major general and orders are cut., it is upon federal recognition the individual is then promoted to major general

The rank of General is a 4 star. The rank structure is Brig, Major General, Lieutenant General then General. There all addressed as general for expediency.

A retired congressman is addressed as congressman out of respect because he officially held the position. Walz was never federally recognized as a CSM. He never received promotion orders promoting him to CSM because he never met the standards for promotion. He held the slot and unfortunately another individual was denied the opportunity to be promoted because Walz held the slot.

So you're saying walz should have faked bone spurs to avoid the military and then he'd have your support.

 

[Lazaran]

lol, your indoctrination is complete.

That MAGAt clone (drone?) hit every talking point…