Disrespect for the Dead in Arlington National Cemetery

[Bn2f]

LOL. The post Kamala Harris made about Donald Trump and Arlington Cemetery was her Michael Dukakis moment. And her campaign knows it.

Harris is done. It's all down hill for her from here.

How disappointing you have allowed yourself to become. I warned you that placating to these idiots here for likes risked making you an idiot as well.

Yes, Chloe, you are correct. If one makes a statement on icebergs then that means they’re to blame for the Titanic sinking.

 

[icanhelp1]

Lol. I have no need to try and trick you with gotcha questions to show you to be a traitor. Did trump release 5000 of some of the most dangerous terrorists into Afghanistan? Did trump invite the Taliban to have peace talks on the totally insignificant day of 9/11?

Yes he did, and I had the courage to chastise his plan to withdraw from Afghanistan. We should never have left. We should never have given up Bagram air base. If, in my opinion, Trump fucks' up I don't double down, I point it out, unlike you obsequious Biden zealots.

 

[icanhelp1]

I suppose you know the actual background of what you’re talking about here, but as per your MO are omitting pertinent facts.

No, I focused on pertinent specific facts.

 

[jomar]

No, I focused on pertinent specific facts.

Well then, you missed a couple.

ETA: That is, @icanhelp1, a couple of pertinent facts that destroy your claim, as usual.

 

[jaF0]

6 more pages of pointless pooh flinging. Really?

 

[Bn2f]

It doesn't give anyone the right to call a gold star family member a traitor…

All I see here is someone spinning their wheels, deflecting and trying to illicit sympathy still off the deaths of the fallen.

Let's be clear: I'm not involved in the use of the term traitor,

dmallord? Hate you have to clarify your stance for the stated position of others here but I’ll try to stay on topic. I’ll kindly defer to your knowledge on past history and hope that maybe someday soon you can tell of the tale of one Cindy Sheehan.

Also, I again say that I take no joy in calling a fellow American a traitor, especially one who served. I believe though the reasoning to be sound those holding that opinion and none of the accused have been able to credibly refute. That said, screaming traitor to members here is not comparable to an American presidential candidate demeaning the Khan family. trump is unfit for the highest office!

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ll74]

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Post the Biden ad.

 

[Bn2f]

Yes he did, and I had the courage to chastise his plan to withdraw from Afghanistan. We should never have left. We should never have given up Bagram air base. If, in my opinion, Trump fucks' up I don't double down, I point it out, unlike you obsequious Biden zealots.

No. Nope. Not letting you off so easily.
Excuse me as I hit ya wit some icanhelp1 logical thinking.

1. It’s negligent, an abdication of responsibility to let these inmates go for free without concessions or informing our allies. These individuals returned to the battlefield and are responsible for many of the global terror happening now. You continually talking about the fall of Bagram doesn’t take away the blame from being laid at trump’s feet.

2. You rightfully didn’t comment on 9/11 because for anyone who lived through 9/11 it’s treasonous to think that a president would dishonor that day in that particular way.

 

[Lazaran]

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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...how-a-biden-ad-that-featured-arlington-natio/



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[ChloeTzang]

And if you are more upset about Donald Trump taking pictures near the graves in Arlington cemetery then you are at the Harris/Biden administration for putting people in those graves at Arlington cemetery you are the problem. Sorry, not sorry. That's a lot of you here, and you know who you are.

 

[icanhelp1]

No. Nope. Not letting you off so easily.
Excuse me as I hit ya wit some icanhelp1 logical thinking.

1. It’s negligent, an abdication of responsibility to let these inmates go for free without concessions or informing our allies. These individuals returned to the battlefield and are responsible for many of the global terror happening now. You continually talking about the fall of Bagram doesn’t take away the blame from being laid at trump’s feet.

Correct. Releasing those terrorist was a big mistake. But that being said Trump's plan was not to relinquish Bagram to the Taliban. Biden was CiC, he had the authority to tell the Taliban to go pound sand we're not leaving and if you stir up shit we'll bomb you back to the thirteenth century. The Afghan army was still a viable force. Biden withdrawing the military before civilians is just plain stupid. To use Kabul airport over Bagram air base as a staging area was just plain dumb. To leave military equipment behind wasn't in our best interest. Moving equipment can be expensive but they should of weighed leaving it in the hands of a terrorist group. The whole withdrawal plan from start to finish was a total disaster. Believing the Afghan Army would continue to be a cohesive force after we left was nothing more than wishful thinking. I understand my opinion of the Afghanistan withdrawal is not popular but I can't help thinking our big letdown to the women and girls who trusted us Americans. It's a complex issue but both presidents blew it.

2. You rightfully didn’t comment on 9/11 because for anyone who lived through 9/11 it’s treasonous to think that a president would dishonor that day in that particular way.

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[Saint_Ann]

It was all downhill for Jeremiah Johnson after he crossed thru the Crow burial grounds.

 

[Lazaran]

And if you are more upset about Donald Trump taking pictures near the graves in Arlington cemetery then you are at the Harris/Biden administration for putting people in those graves at Arlington cemetery you are the problem. Sorry, not sorry. That's a lot of you here, and you know who you are.

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang needs to be educated…again:

Traitor Trump bears 100% of the blame for the conditions President Biden inherited in Afghanistan that made the withdrawal more chaotic than it needed to be - which contributed to the deaths of those 13 service members.



That ^ being objectively factual and true, traitor Trump’s Arlington National Cemetery desecration stands alone for condemnation.



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang’s attempt at deflection and distraction is an EPIC FAILURE - just like traitor Trump’s presidency / policies.



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[deckardB26354]

Post the Biden ad.

It won’t post it. Misdirect with more “alternative facts.”

 

[ll74]

It won’t post it. Misdirect with more “alternative facts.”

The Internet only provided them with a picture. Finding any additional information would take time and effort.

 

[Lazaran]

It won’t post it. Misdirect with more “alternative facts.”

I believe this is what Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang was referring to:

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...how-a-biden-ad-that-featured-arlington-natio/

 

[jomar]

And if you are more upset about Donald Trump taking pictures near the graves in Arlington cemetery then you are at the Harris/Biden administration for putting people in those graves at Arlington cemetery you are the problem. Sorry, not sorry. That's a lot of you here, and you know who you are.

I guess you forgot who forced the Afghan withdrawal.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I guess you forgot who forced the Afghan withdrawal.

LOL. No I did not forget. Biden. For a headline.

 

[Lazaran]

I guess you forgot who forced the Afghan withdrawal.

The MAGAts claim that President Biden could have simply canceled the withdrawal when the peace talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government failed.



Of course, if President Biden HAD canceled the withdrawal, and HAD sunk another TRILLION or so dollars into Afghanistan, and HAD sacrificed another THOUSAND or so MORE American service members in a renewed full scale engagement with a strengthened and enraged Taliban, the MAGAts WOULD HAVE blamed President Biden for EVERYTHING.



I literally hate MAGAts.

 

[deckardB26354]

I believe this is what Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang was referring to:

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...how-a-biden-ad-that-featured-arlington-natio/

If that’s what it meant, then it can provide the “facts”—stop doing their work for them. I’m sure they have a trough of Breitfart and Gateway Dumbshit links to share.

 

[dmallord]

All I see here is someone spinning their wheels, deflecting and trying to illicit sympathy still off the deaths of the fallen.



dmallord? Hate you have to clarify your stance for the stated position of others here but I’ll try to stay on topic. I’ll kindly defer to your knowledge on past history and hope that maybe someday soon you can tell of the tale of one Cindy Sheehan.

Also, I again say that I take no joy in calling a fellow American a traitor, especially one who served. I believe though the reasoning to be sound those holding that opinion and none of the accused have been able to credibly refute. That said, screaming traitor to members here is not comparable to an American presidential candidate demeaning the Khan family. trump is unfit for the highest office!

I appreciate your effort to point out the heartlessness of Trump's actions.

Cindy deserves her own monument in recognition of her campaigns against politically motivated wars. She was a simple mom until her son Casey became another war victim. After his passing, she took on the establishment with a vengeance, and people took note of her courage. Trump would not understand her or her son. Both are losers in his eyes; Casey gave his life for nothing he would espouse, and his mom, as valiant as her efforts were, had little effect on how we still play the game of war today.

God Bless America. And to hell with Trump!

 

[Bn2f]

I appreciate your effort to point out the heartlessness of Trump's actions.

Cindy deserves her own monument in recognition of her campaigns against politically motivated wars. She was a simple mom until her son Casey became another war victim. After his passing, she took on the establishment with a vengeance, and people took note of her courage. Trump would not understand her or her son. Both are losers in his eyes; Casey gave his life for nothing he would espouse, and his mom, as valiant as her efforts were, had little effect on how we still play the game of war today.

God Bless America. And to hell with Trump!

Thank you for this. I asked about Cindy Sheehan because heroes to me are people who sacrifice and because members from the right were claiming that it was inexcusable to call a Gold Star family member a traitor. I can’t recall if those words were directly attributed to this grieving mother but I remember the mocking actions of politicians, the press, Fox News, and bush jr whenever and wherever this woman tried to set up her solitary protest asking the reason why her son had died. Thanks again for offering up this refresher.

 

[dmallord]

You being prior service you're OK with stolen valor. Do you understand the sacrifices, the amount of training, the intense academic challenges that it takes to be a Command Sergeant Major. The requirement to be 50 level qualified in 5 separate MOSs. The leadership training as well as teaching leadership, not counting combat Training or physical training. To promote oneself as a retired CSM is despicable. He should have promoted his service for 22 years as an E-8 which in itself is a remarkable feat, he chose to identify as a CSM without earning that title. It's an affront to legit CSMs

Clearly, you can't answer basic military questions about Walz's rank, and you don't get to assume I'm okay with stolen valor just because I served in the military. You know damn little about me, so don't pretend otherwise.

I spent four years, seven months, and three days in the Army, working under a Command Sergeant Major (CSM) for part of that time. [I'll leave you wondering about my odd time span in service.] Your argument is littered with irrelevant distractions that have nothing to do with the core issue of stolen valor. You spout qualifications about CSM training but completely skip defining stolen valor or explaining what Walz allegedly did that qualifies. So, let’s take a few minutes to stand that argument up for an IG inspection.

First, let's clarify the process of promotion to Command Sergeant Major. Walz was selected and approved as a candidate for CSM by the Army Enlisted Board and promoted to E-9 accordingly. He served under that rank for some time and was officially recognized by the US Army and his unit commander as a CSM. This process isn’t arbitrary—it’s based on merit, dedication, and hard work.

Now, promotion to E-9 includes a requirement: completing the CSM training course after the promotion. If someone doesn’t finish the training within the given time, they revert to their former rank. Walz chose to retire and run for Congress before completing the course. As a result, he retired at a lower pay grade, per Army regulations. But let’s be clear—he earned the rank of CSM and served in that role. The fact that his retirement rank was lower due to his career shift doesn't change the reality of his service.

Instead of focusing on irrelevant details like rank at retirement, let's return to the point: Stolen valor involves deception and dishonesty. Walz never falsely claimed a rank he didn’t hold; he served as CSM. His situation doesn't meet the threshold for stolen valor—not by any reasonable interpretation.

Here's where your argument falls apart: Stolen valor refers to falsely claiming honors, awards, or ranks that were never earned. Walz didn’t wear unearned medals or boast false achievements. He served as CSM and was recognized for it during his time in uniform. The only issue is that his retirement pay grade was lower because he retired before completing the CSM course. That’s a technicality, not a deception. It doesn’t meet the definition of stolen valor by any reasonable standard.

For further context, consider this: a three-star general who retires as a one-star is still called "General" out of respect for the position they held, just as a former Congressman is addressed by their former title. No one accuses them of stolen valor because they earned those titles during their service. The same courtesy applies to Walz. Those leveling accusations of 'stolen valor' against him are simply trying to tarnish his reputation with no basis in fact. His brother-in-arms, a former Marine, is among them, much to most military veterans watching this sorted display disrespect to a fellow serviceman.

Hopefully, you don't tag this as TL;DR because getting this far will have helped clear some of your misperceptions about stolen valor and Tim Walz's honorable service time.

 

[dmallord]

Kamala Harris attacking Gold Star families is disgusting, and by far the biggest mistake thus far in her humiliating campaign. These Families should never have had to fo through the pain caused by the Biden Harris administration; the real salt in the wound was seeing how heartless Biden was when the bodies arrived and how they didn't visit them in Arlington....Harris of course, was a no show from the very start.

Imagine being so heartless and narcissistic as to try to ruin the honor for those families and their children. Imagine putting your hate for your opponent ahead of what is best for those who fell in the service of the USA and their families. Imagine always putting yourself ahead of your country. Today’s Democrats are the worst thing to ever happen to the USA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830639947625476233

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Now, do Trump, as the local pundits that defend him would say about Biden or Harris! Please include the narcissist's factors, as we all know he is one. And add the appropriate comments he used to disparage other Gold Star families. Give him top billing in your comments. I'll hang around for your efforts.