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[icanhelp1]

General Jack Keane points out the failure of the Biden administration’s policy towards Israel.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

The poster above seems to believe Israel would announce the taking out of a terrorist commander. I disagree with that premise. Keeping them guessing is the epitome of phycological warfare.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

Using the tech that Iran used on US forces on them. Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Noor]

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

There have been many reports including that the Republicans guards did it because the Supreme leader was getting tired of Hamas of Hamas was getting tired of him. Then there is the money motive, who gets his $8 billion? . Apparently 40
Government security people have been arrested in Irain so far.
If Mossad did it, Israel will own it once they are sure.
There is also the possibility of sleeper agents who need to get out and home before it’s announced.
However considering that the bombs were supposedly planted around the same time the helicopter carrying the prime minister and the heir apparent to the supreme leader crashed, at this point I suspect it is part of an internal Iranian government power struggle and blaming it on Israel is convenient.

 

[Rightguide]

Using the tech that Iran used on US forces on them. Turnabout is fair play.

I think the Israelis have the Iranians on their heels. Israel just demonstrated what the US should have been demonstrating all along. They have taken down three individual terror leaders, one in downtown Tehran. They have wiped out the Houthis infrastructure and they've taken out all of the air defense sites around Iran's nuclear sites. I think Iran has read the tea leaves and now understands if they attack Israel in any significant way they will face significant destruction of their infrastructure. These are things we should have done long ago, but now we see the fruits of the weakness Biden/Harris has demonstrated on the international stage. There is no deterrent value in a huge military establishment if its leadership is to craven to use it when necessary. Joe Biden doesn't scare anyone.

 

[Rightguide]

There have been many reports including that the Republicans guards did it because the Supreme leader was getting tired of Hamas of Hamas was getting tired of him. Then there is the money motive, who gets his $8 billion? . Apparently 40
Government security people have been arrested in Irain so far.
If Mossad did it, Israel will own it once they are sure.
There is also the possibility of sleeper agents who need to get out and home before it’s announced.
However considering that the bombs were supposedly planted around the same time the helicopter carrying the prime minister and the heir apparent to the supreme leader crashed, at this point I suspect it is part of an internal Iranian government power struggle and blaming it on Israel is convenient.

The Mossad did it and the Iranian army is completely preoccupied with running around the country and putting down the revolutionary efforts of their citizens.

 

[icanhelp1]

I think the Israelis have the Iranians on their heels. Israel just demonstrated what the US should have been demonstrating all along. They have taken down three individual terror leaders, one in downtown Tehran. They have wiped out the Houthis infrastructure and they've taken out all of the air defense sites around Iran's nuclear sites. I think Iran has read the tea leaves and now understands if they attack Israel in any significant way they will face significant destruction of their infrastructure. These are things we should have done long ago, but now we see the fruits of the weakness Biden/Harris has demonstrated on the international stage. There is no deterrent value in a huge military establishment if its leadership is to craven to use it when necessary. Joe Biden doesn't scare anyone.

I’m just waiting to see what Biden does if there’s a two prong attack on Israel, one from Hezbollah and the other from Iran. If the Houthis fire one fucking missile and Biden doesn’t flatten every military asset they have then I just don’t know what it takes for Biden to respond. It used to be that if you fire upon a ship in international waters it was a declaration of war.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think the Israelis have the Iranians on their heels. Israel just demonstrated what the US should have been demonstrating all along. They have taken down three individual terror leaders, one in downtown Tehran. They have wiped out the Houthis infrastructure and they've taken out all of the air defense sites around Iran's nuclear sites. I think Iran has read the tea leaves and now understands if they attack Israel in any significant way they will face significant destruction of their infrastructure. These are things we should have done long ago, but now we see the fruits of the weakness Biden/Harris has demonstrated on the international stage. There is no deterrent value in a huge military establishment if its leadership is to craven to use it when necessary. Joe Biden doesn't scare anyone.

With Chobham "sunsetting" as he entered his 8th and final decade of life, the "might makes right" torch has been passed to Rightguide, a man with no military experience, to espouse the principle of "violence as the first option" and "perpetual conflict".

How is that "perpetual conflict" playing out domestically in Israel? Not well, I understand. The Israeli citizenry is sobering up to the understanding that Netanyahu is fully invested in "perpetual conflict", as he understands he is deeply unpopular domestically and his fragile saber-rattling domestic coalition will most likely evaporate once a ceasefire is reached.

The lack of US 500-pound dumb bombs has crippled Netanyahu's strategy of not putting lives of Israeli soldiers at risk while levelling Gaza. With only 250 pounders being supplied by America, the siege of Gaza will continue much much longer (good for Netanyahu and the war hawks) but result in higher Israeli military casualties on the ground, because the IDF will no longer have the capacity for as much "destruction from 20,000 feet" and actually be forced to put themselves at risk.

And let's face it, Israel is ill-equipped to prosecute war on two fronts (Gaza and Iran). They are stretched to the limit right now, with the majority of the IDF committed to Gaza,and a single battalion of "Special Forces" Orthodox "terror squads" in the West Bank.

Interesting times ahead for belligerent Israel. They have been "fucking around" as a country for almost a year now, and I think they are about to "find out" about the consequences of their actions. Right now they are in a holding pattern, stalling and playing for time hoping to G-d that convicted felon Donald J Trump wins his election and will reopen the 500 pound bomb pipeline to Israel.

 

[Rightguide]

I’m just waiting to see what Biden does if there’s a two prong attack on Israel, one from Hezbollah and the other from Iran. If the Houthis fire one fucking missile and Biden doesn’t flatten every military asset they have then I just don’t know what it takes for Biden to respond. It used to be that if you fire upon a ship in international waters it was a declaration of war.

Those ships have tremendous capability within their design and limits of their tactical areas of responsibility, but they are just targets if their commanders are leashed by a feckless national command authority afraid to act, or if the adversary understands and accepts the limits placed on that capability.

 

[Rightguide]

With Chobham "sunsetting" as he entered his 8th and final decade of life, the "might makes right" torch has been passed to Rightguide, a man with no military experience, to espouse the principle of "violence as the first option" and "perpetual conflict".

Might does not make right. The use of the military is diplomacy taken to another level. Whether it's going to be defensive or offensive or its violence of action, is guided by political objectives, strategic goals, and initial actions on the ground.

How is that "perpetual conflict" playing out domestically in Israel? Not well, I understand. The Israeli citizenry is sobering up to the understanding that Netanyahu is fully invested in "perpetual conflict", as he understands he is deeply unpopular domestically and his fragile saber-rattling domestic coalition will most likely evaporate once a ceasefire is reached.

Right now as we speak. I think the Iranians are thinking twice about how they are going to respond to the Israeli strike. Israel has sent them a clear message that they are ready to go deep into Iran and inflict catastrophic destruction to Iranian infrastructure. Like they just did to the Houthis. They have demonstrated the logistical ability to go after Iranian oil infrastructure for instance.

The lack of US 500-pound dumb bombs has crippled Netanyahu's strategy of not putting lives of Israeli soldiers at risk while levelling Gaza. With only 250 pounders being supplied by America, the siege of Gaza will continue much much longer (good for Netanyahu and the war hawks) but result in higher Israeli military casualties on the ground, because the IDF will no longer have the capacity for as much "destruction from 20,000 feet" and actually be forced to put themselves at risk.

The estimate of nuclear weapons held by the Israelis is 80-400. This is a nation facing the possibility of complete annihilation by the Islamic world. Is it your position they would not put these weapons in play if they felt a serious existential need to do so? Do you think the Arab world wants to chance even one of these landing on any of their capitals? How about Iran with all of its internal problems, do you think they want to chance losing their nuclear or energy sectors? For your information the Israelis make their own 2000 lbs bombs (BLU-109) domestically as do the following countries, Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, India, Italy, Pakistan, Spain, Switzerland, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. It isn't as if they don't have any or can't get their hands on them. They will make their own if we cut them off.

And let's face it, Israel is ill-equipped to prosecute war on two fronts (Gaza and Iran). They are stretched to the limit right now, with the majority of the IDF committed to Gaza,and a single battalion of "Special Forces" Orthodox "terror squads" in the West Bank.

Interesting times ahead for belligerent Israel. They have been "fucking around" as a country for almost a year now, and I think they are about to "find out" about the consequences of their actions. Right now they are in a holding pattern, stalling and playing for time hoping to G-d that convicted felon Donald J Trump wins his election and will reopen the 500 pound bomb pipeline to Israel.

Israel has plenty of 500 Lbs bombs.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Might does not make right. The use of the military is diplomacy taken to another level. Whether it's going to be defensive or offensive or its violence of action, is guided by political objectives, strategic goals, and initial actions on the ground.
Right now as we speak. I think the Iranians are thinking twice about how they are going to respond to the Israeli strike. Israel has sent them a clear message that they are ready to go deep into Iran and inflict catastrophic destruction to Iranian infrastructure. Like they just did to the Houthis. They have demonstrated the logistical ability to go after Iranian oil infrastructure for instance.
The estimate of nuclear weapons held by the Israelis is 80-400. This is a nation facing the possibility of complete annihilation by the Islamic world. Is it your position they would not put these weapons in play if they felt a serious existential need to do so? Do you think the Arab world wants to chance even one of these landing on any of their capitals? How about Iran with all of its internal problems, do you think they want to chance losing their nuclear or energy sectors? For your information the Israelis make their own 2000 lbs bombs (BLU-109) domestically as do the following countries, Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, India, Italy, Pakistan, Spain, Switzerland, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. It isn't as if they don't have any or can't get their hands on them. They will make their own if we cut them off.
Israel has plenty of 500 Lbs bombs.

What a remarkably innocent world view!
Okay, let's dive in:
Nukes: Israel will not be a "first use" nation, ever. They may be bellicose, they may even be evil, but they're not stupid.

Bombs: Israel loves to drop bombs on people/nations they don't like, in the name of "domestic security". Their use of bombs far exceeds their domestic capacity to make conventional bombs. So they need another source. They need the United States. Yes, other countries can and do manufacture bombs that Israel could use, but Israel will never purchase bombs from other sources other than the USA. Why? Because Israel would have to pay hard currency to purchase these bombs.

The "dirty little secret" of the Camp David Accords of 1978 is that the United States pays danegeld (in essence, bribes) to both Egypt and Israel each year not to war on each other. Billions are sent to poor little Israel from daddy USA each year....but woo hoo....the Israelis routinely use their American largesse credits to replenish their arsenals of bombs.

It doesn't cost the Israeli taxpayers a dime.
American bomb makers profit,
the Israeli military gets to break stuff,
and the American taxpayer gets stuck with the bill.

Win-win for errybody except the American Taxpayer.

 

[Rightguide]

What a remarkably innocent world view!
Okay, let's dive in:
Nukes: Israel will not be a "first use" nation, ever. They may be bellicose, they may even be evil, but they're not stupid.

Bombs: Israel loves to drop bombs on people/nations they don't like, in the name of "domestic security". Their use of bombs far exceeds their domestic capacity to make conventional bombs. So they need another source. They need the United States. Yes, other countries can and do manufacture bombs that Israel could use, but Israel will never purchase bombs from other sources other than the USA. Why? Because Israel would have to pay hard currency to purchase these bombs.

The "dirty little secret" of the Camp David Accords of 1978 is that the United States pays danegeld (in essence, bribes) to both Egypt and Israel each year not to war on each other. Billions are sent to poor little Israel from daddy USA each year....but woo hoo....the Israelis routinely use their American largesse credits to replenish their arsenals of bombs.

It doesn't cost the Israeli taxpayers a dime.
American bomb makers profit,
the Israeli military gets to break stuff,
and the American taxpayer gets stuck with the bill.

Win-win for errybody except the American Taxpayer.

I notice you donned your water wings and offered a fearful toe to the shallow end of the pool.

 

[Rightguide]

The poster above seems to believe Israel would announce the taking out of a terrorist commander. I disagree with that premise. Keeping them guessing is the epitome of phycological warfare.

I agree. The big problem now is how do we establish deterrence in the Middle East and if the American people will even support it. I'm thinking four carrier battlegroups, a Marine division, and an Airborne Division, on alert, but we can't spare them.

 

[icanhelp1]

I agree. The big problem now is how do we establish deterrence in the Middle East and if the American people will even support it. I'm thinking four carrier battlegroups, a Marine division, and an Airborne Division, on alert, but we can't spare them.

Sure could use Bagram air base today!

 

[Noor]

The Mossad did it and the Iranian army is completely preoccupied with running around the country and putting down the revolutionary efforts of their citizens.

If they did it, and I won’t believe it until the Israelis confirm it, that would be pretty amazing and makes the republican guards and top Iranian security look worse that rental guards.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I agree. The big problem now is how do we establish deterrence in the Middle East and if the American people will even support it. I'm thinking four carrier battlegroups, a Marine division, and an Airborne Division, on alert, but we can't spare them.

Does the phrase have any special resonance with you?

 

[icanhelp1]

I think the Israelis have the Iranians on their heels. Israel just demonstrated what the US should have been demonstrating all along. They have taken down three individual terror leaders, one in downtown Tehran. They have wiped out the Houthis infrastructure and they've taken out all of the air defense sites around Iran's nuclear sites. I think Iran has read the tea leaves and now understands if they attack Israel in any significant way they will face significant destruction of their infrastructure. These are things we should have done long ago, but now we see the fruits of the weakness Biden/Harris has demonstrated on the international stage. There is no deterrent value in a huge military establishment if its leadership is to craven to use it when necessary. Joe Biden doesn't scare anyone.

The Houthis should have been removed as a threat to shipping right from the beginning, sending a very stern warning to Iran that any more errant missile attacks would put downtown Tehran and Iranian oil infrastructure in the crosshairs. There is no negotiation with the Mullahs. JCPOA was farcical right from its inception. Analysts predict any Iran missile strike on civilian targets could initiate all out war. What a fucking mess and to think this could all have been avoided.

 

[Rightguide]

The Houthis should have been removed as a threat to shipping right from the beginning, sending a very stern warning to Iran that any more errant missile attacks would put downtown Tehran and Iranian oil infrastructure in the crosshairs. There is no negotiation with the Mullahs. JCPOA was farcical right from its inception. Analysts predict any Iran missile strike on civilian targets could initiate all out war. What a fucking mess and to think this could all have been avoided.

Instead, Biden gave Iran enough billions to finance their war against Israel. Nobody has been more fucked up on foreign policy than Joe Biden.

 

[Rightguide]

Sure could use Bagram air base today!

There ya go. I think the Chinese are sitting on it now.

 

[Rightguide]

Biden policy freed $70 billion in funds for Iran, which is eyeing retaliation against Israel, U.S.​

The extra cash influx for the Islamic regime has coincided with its proxies' continued strikes against U.S. bases and support for terror groups in their fight against Israel.

By Steven Richards

Published: August 6, 2024 11:04pm
Updated: August 7, 2024 10:29am

As the Middle East braces for yet another retaliatory strike on Israel from Iran, critics have flagged a Biden administration policy that freed up an estimated $70 billion in funding for the Islamic theocracy since it took office.

The cash provides extra breathing room for the Islamic regime, which has coincided with its proxies' continued strikes on U.S. bases and support for terror groups in their fight against Israel.

On Monday, U.S. troops at the Al Assad Airbase in Iraq were injured after a reported attack by Iranian-backed militant groups, the BBC reported. The attack is likely only the first in a series of retaliatory actions planned by the Islamic Republic of Iran and its militant proxies in response to Israel’s assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, who was killed in the Iranian capital of Tehran while attending the inauguration of the country’s new president.

Last week, Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, vowed “harsh punishment” for the assassination.

More here: https://justthenews.com/world/middl...s-iran-country-prepares-retaliation-israel-us

Joe Biden the great enabler.

 

[jaF0]

Tell us there is no intent to harm.

Western allies condemn Israeli finance minister's suggestion that starving Gaza might be justified​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC|3 hours ago
Israel's Western allies have condemned remarks by its far-right finance minister, who suggested that causing the starvation of Gaza's population of more than 2 million Palestinians "might be just and ...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tell us there is no intent to harm.

Western allies condemn Israeli finance minister's suggestion that starving Gaza might be justified​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC|3 hours ago
Israel's Western allies have condemned remarks by its far-right finance minister, who suggested that causing the starvation of Gaza's population of more than 2 million Palestinians "might be just and ...

Israel's naval blockade has been in effect for almost two decades now. They prohibit the importation of most food and virtually all medical supplies. More than one Israeli politician has referred to Gaza as "the world's largest outdoor prison camp".

 

[ExxWhyZee]

Tell us there is no intent to harm.

Western allies condemn Israeli finance minister's suggestion that starving Gaza might be justified​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC|3 hours ago
Israel's Western allies have condemned remarks by its far-right finance minister, who suggested that causing the starvation of Gaza's population of more than 2 million Palestinians "might be just and ...

He is right

 

[Rightguide]

Tell us there is no intent to harm.

Western allies condemn Israeli finance minister's suggestion that starving Gaza might be justified​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC|3 hours ago
Israel's Western allies have condemned remarks by its far-right finance minister, who suggested that causing the starvation of Gaza's population of more than 2 million Palestinians "might be just and ...

Democrat Harry Truman contemplated starving 40% of the remaining German population after the war. Study the details around the Morgenthau Plan. I mentioned it a couple of years ago in a post.

 

[Rightguide]

What a remarkably innocent world view!
Okay, let's dive in:
Nukes: Israel will not be a "first use" nation, ever. They may be bellicose, they may even be evil, but they're not stupid.

How many American Presidents have promised that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon? How many Israeli leaders? how do you think those promises were going to be ultimately enforced?