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[RobDownSouth]

There are, or used to be, American nukes stored in Turkey.

I'd have wagered a lot of money that Turkey no longer had American nuclear weapons, but I would have been wrong.

Turkey is one of five "trusted nations" that the United States "shares" medium range ballistic nuclear missiles. I don't know what "shares" means in this instance...are the missiles crewed by American forces or Turkish forces?

JFK dispatched nuclear missiles to Turkey in the immediate aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis, so Turkey has had nuclear weapons since 1963.

I distinctly recall the SALT talks, and thought Turkey gave up the American nukes then. What I think happened is that the USA agreed NOT to put mobile missile launchers in Germany and/or Turkey. The launchers that can fire the then-brand spanking new nuclear-enabled cruise missiles.

The mobile launchers had limited kiloton nukes, enough to ruin a city completely, but the primary benefit was that Ivan (back then, anyway) couldn't track these launchers in real-time and couldn't pre-emptively strike to knock them out.

Anyway, so we now know both Israel and Turkey have nuclear weapons. This is a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) scenario not unlike the Cold War, so any warfare would likely be conventional.

 

[Rightguide]

My error.
I misread fighter aircraft with dedicated attack aircraft.
You were right, I was mistaken.

I find it odd that Turkey has no air-to-ground attack aircraft (I'm assuming something similar to the A-10 Warthog)

They are a major part of the NATO alliance. They do have 111 attack helicopters. They have 234 F-16 C/Ds some with Block 30, 40, and 50, upgrades. They have 19 F-4 E Phantom fighter/bombers, as well. They have some ballistic missile systems and advanced drone systems that have been field-tested in Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Turkish_Land_Forces

 

[Rightguide]

I'd have wagered a lot of money that Turkey no longer had American nuclear weapons, but I would have been wrong.

Turkey is one of five "trusted nations" that the United States "shares" medium range ballistic nuclear missiles. I don't know what "shares" means in this instance...are the missiles crewed by American forces or Turkish forces?

JFK dispatched nuclear missiles to Turkey in the immediate aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis, so Turkey has had nuclear weapons since 1963.

I distinctly recall the SALT talks, and thought Turkey gave up the American nukes then. What I think happened is that the USA agreed NOT to put mobile missile launchers in Germany and/or Turkey. The launchers that can fire the then-brand spanking new nuclear-enabled cruise missiles.

The mobile launchers had limited kiloton nukes, enough to ruin a city completely, but the primary benefit was that Ivan (back then, anyway) couldn't track these launchers in real-time and couldn't pre-emptively strike to knock them out.

Anyway, so we now know both Israel and Turkey have nuclear weapons. This is a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) scenario not unlike the Cold War, so any warfare would likely be conventional.

It is said we have a number, possibly 50, B-61 nuclear weapons stored in Turkey. Here is an article that is 5 years old that will shed some light on the subject:

https://theconversation.com/why-the...rkey-and-may-try-to-put-the-bombs-away-125477

 

[Rightguide]

Anyway, so we now know both Israel and Turkey have nuclear weapons. This is a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) scenario not unlike the Cold War, so any warfare would likely be conventional.

Those B-61s were originally unguided air-launched nuclear gravity bombs. The present B-61-12 nuclear bomb is using a radar-aided system designed to guide the weapon in GPS-degraded environments. I'm not sure if those models are in Turkey or not. Another thing, the F-16 is configured to carry the B-61. I'm not sure if that configuration has been extended to the Turkish Air Force F-16s or not. The B-61s that are or were in Turkey are under heavy American guard.

 

[censurat]

Rot Down South in mourning

Jews just killed Hamas leader

Totz

n

Prey Errrz

 

[ChloeTzang]

Today, tears are flowing across the Middle East and amongst all decent people in the West. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has Confirmed the Assassination earlier tonight of Hamas Chief Political Leader, Ismail Haniyeh, who was Murdered alongside one of his Bodyguards at his Residence in Tehran, Haniyeh, a key interlocutor in the Gaza ceasefire and hostage negotiations, was in parliament in Tehran on Tuesday for the formal swearing-in of President Masoud Pezeshkian of Iran. Haniyeh has been part of Hamas for decades, in recent years running the militant group’s political operations from exile, and emerging as one of its most visible leaders during the war with Israel in Gaza. He was a key interlocutor with international mediators in hostage and ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas.

Experts say the assassinations cast an ominous shadow on hopes of a ceasefire and hostage deal and stifle any progress toward de-escalation between Israel and its Iran-backed enemies. Negotiations were already deadlocked before Haniyeh’s assassination, and this new development only puts the lives of hostages still held captive in danger. His assassination, in all probability at the blood-stained hands of murderous Israeli thugs, reduces the chances of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. We can only hope that the wisdom and experience that Joe Biden brings to the foreign policy arena can reduce tensions and avert a disastrous outcome leading to even more deaths across the Middle East.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to our very own Rep. Rashida Tlaib tonight, mourning the loss of her bestie. We can only assure her that our thoughts and prayers are with both her, Haniyeh and the Palestinian masses as they struggle for liberation from the oppressive yoke of the Israeli Domination.



Chloe ("Call me Che") Tzang
Pronouns: Comrade / Comradeself

 

[Chobham]

"Experts", huh? There will be a just and lasting peace when Hamas and Hezbollah have been eliminated to the very last man. Maybe the PLO will get the hint.

 

[ExxWhyZee]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818608999597584598

 

[ExxWhyZee]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818608271688622450

 

[ExxWhyZee]

Rot Down South pulls trigger

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818614059027079479

 

[ExxWhyZee]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818601662178902117

 

[RobDownSouth]

"Experts", huh? There will be a just and lasting peace when Hamas and Hezbollah have been eliminated to the very last man. Maybe the PLO will get the hint.

Good ole Chobham, advocating a "Final Solution" for years now.

Israel has a "right" to eliminate anyone anywhere in the world they do not like, in teh name of "national security", and in the name of G-d.

Sometimes, ya just gotta genocide.

Fuckin' Gazans were squatting on valuable beachfront property, Jared Kusher hisself said so.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Good ole Chobham, advocating a "Final Solution" for years now.

Israel has a "right" to eliminate anyone anywhere in the world they do not like, in teh name of "national security", and in the name of G-d.

Sometimes, ya just gotta genocide.

Fuckin' Gazans were squatting on valuable beachfront property, Jared Kusher hisself said so.

Attacking a military target isn’t “genocide”.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I guess we owe Israel 5 million buckos.

 

[Rightguide]

Rot Down South in mourning

Jews just killed Hamas leader

Totz

n

Prey Errrz

I think the one they killed in Iran was responsible for 1983 Beirut barracks bombings as well as his present terror activity.

 

[ll74]

Amazing video of the iron dome doing its job

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hezbollah-launches-50-rockets-israel-090653583.html

 

[Rightguide]

Good ole Chobham, advocating a "Final Solution" for years now.

Israel has a "right" to eliminate anyone anywhere in the world they do not like, in teh name of "national security", and in the name of G-d.

Sometimes, ya just gotta genocide.

Fuckin' Gazans were squatting on valuable beachfront property, Jared Kusher hisself said so.

This is Rob's Sisyphean struggle to climatic release, hammering his keyboard as if it were his groin and sweating his way to another collapse into flaccid frustration where each new stroke towards his dream of a final solution fails in a Hitlerian calamity.

 

[Noor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818601662178902117

I’m not sure the Israelis killed this one.
Not the was Israel does eliminations.
It sounds like an inside job.
Plus if Israel did it, they would announce it, like the rest.

 

[Rightguide]

I’m not sure the Israelis killed this one.
Not the was Israel does eliminations.
It sounds like an inside job.
Plus if Israel did it, they would announce it, like the rest.

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

 

[icanhelp1]

General Jack Keane points out the failure of the Biden administration’s policy towards Israel.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

The poster above seems to believe Israel would announce the taking out of a terrorist commander. I disagree with that premise. Keeping them guessing is the epitome of phycological warfare.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

Using the tech that Iran used on US forces on them. Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Noor]

It's been reported that Mossad used Iranian agents to plant the bomb which was then remotely triggered when that target was in the residence. It could have been triggered by a simple phone call or other electronic signal.

There have been many reports including that the Republicans guards did it because the Supreme leader was getting tired of Hamas of Hamas was getting tired of him. Then there is the money motive, who gets his $8 billion? . Apparently 40
Government security people have been arrested in Irain so far.
If Mossad did it, Israel will own it once they are sure.
There is also the possibility of sleeper agents who need to get out and home before it’s announced.
However considering that the bombs were supposedly planted around the same time the helicopter carrying the prime minister and the heir apparent to the supreme leader crashed, at this point I suspect it is part of an internal Iranian government power struggle and blaming it on Israel is convenient.

 

[Rightguide]

Using the tech that Iran used on US forces on them. Turnabout is fair play.

I think the Israelis have the Iranians on their heels. Israel just demonstrated what the US should have been demonstrating all along. They have taken down three individual terror leaders, one in downtown Tehran. They have wiped out the Houthis infrastructure and they've taken out all of the air defense sites around Iran's nuclear sites. I think Iran has read the tea leaves and now understands if they attack Israel in any significant way they will face significant destruction of their infrastructure. These are things we should have done long ago, but now we see the fruits of the weakness Biden/Harris has demonstrated on the international stage. There is no deterrent value in a huge military establishment if its leadership is to craven to use it when necessary. Joe Biden doesn't scare anyone.

 

[Rightguide]

There have been many reports including that the Republicans guards did it because the Supreme leader was getting tired of Hamas of Hamas was getting tired of him. Then there is the money motive, who gets his $8 billion? . Apparently 40
Government security people have been arrested in Irain so far.
If Mossad did it, Israel will own it once they are sure.
There is also the possibility of sleeper agents who need to get out and home before it’s announced.
However considering that the bombs were supposedly planted around the same time the helicopter carrying the prime minister and the heir apparent to the supreme leader crashed, at this point I suspect it is part of an internal Iranian government power struggle and blaming it on Israel is convenient.

The Mossad did it and the Iranian army is completely preoccupied with running around the country and putting down the revolutionary efforts of their citizens.