Biden's out

[Aglaopheme]

Exactly! Because the message was “you’ll damage the party’s chances to win,” rather than “let’s get the best candidate.” Sick of it. I like that Kamala has said she wants to earn it, but there are a couple serious flaws than make me less than enthusiastic about supporting her (other than feeling like i have to now)

What are these “flaws”?

Perhaps someone will answer that may actually be voting for her…

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815138065028915339

 

[IARainman]

The thing that sticks with me was 4 years ago she was named “border crisis czar” she then she dropped completely out of sight and the border’s been a fiasco. Not saying the border is her fault, she inherited a lot of crap but we didn’t see any leadership from her on that front. Again, that may not be her fault, not sure who is pulling the strings on what we, the people, see. Same with the economy. If she was being positioned as a successor, somebody dropped the ball in terms of creating a public persona.

 

[ll74]

The thing that sticks with me was 4 years ago she was named “border crisis czar” she then she dropped completely out of sight and the border’s been a fiasco. Not saying the border is her fault, she inherited a lot of crap but we didn’t see any leadership from her on that front. Again, that may not be her fault, not sure who is pulling the strings on what we, the people, see. Same with the economy. If she was being positioned as a successor, somebody dropped the ball in terms of creating a public persona.

This

They absolutely could've promoted her more and absolutely should have done so. And I don't understand it at all. Her speech the other day was fantastic and even if they didn't want to prep her for following in 2028, they could've at least made her more visible.

My guess is that the oligarchs were wanting other candidates for 2028 and had their sway with the administration to keep her out of the public eye.

Granted, she needed to be in the Senate almost every session due to the split, so that also contributed to her effectiveness

 

[IARainman]

Granted, she needed to be in the Senate almost every session due to the split, so that also contributed to her effectiveness

Then show us her work and the obstruction she faces.

 

[butters]

That’s exactly what should not happen, but alas it will. I had hoped we’d have at least a brief period of trying to find the candidate the party members wanted. That lasted about 15 seconds and we have another “you must support her or we’re doomed” situation. I’m so fed up with the total lack of any sense of democracy in party politics.

it was democracy that put Biden into the president's seat and democracy—in virtually 99% of the delegates' votes—that put Biden/Harris on the ticket for november.

the pushback would come from them if a far smaller group of 'in house' politicians and big-money donors decided that their own choices supercede the delegates'.

 

[butters]

historian Joel Goldstein, whose work included extensive study of the office of the VP, says that entering the White House amid the COVID-19 pandemic affected her ability to conduct the public role of the second in command.

He cites how her schedule was effectively "held hostage" because of the great division in the Senate which required her presence so often to break tied votes.

She was a leading voice on potent campaign issues: abortion rights/lowering prescription costs/financing for African American entrepreneurs and the promotion of gun reform.

most recently, Biden had tasked Harris with European issues:

1. NATO Summit Review: Following an extraordinary NATO summit on February 25, 2022, Harris and European leaders reviewed recent and upcoming U.S. and NATO force posture adjustments in Europe. This included the deployment of thousands of U.S. troops and critical capabilities to reinforce deterrence posture and collective defense1.
2. Calls with European Leaders:
   • Harris spoke with President Charles Michel of the European Council, affirming the U.S. commitment to cooperation with the European Union in managing current and future challenges2.
   • She also engaged in separate calls with Prime Minister Kaja Kallas of Estonia and Prime Minister Krisjanis Karins of Latvia to discuss the Biden administration’s response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine3.
3. NATO Unity: Harris emphasized NATO unity during the escalating Ukraine crisis and warned Russia that the U.S. and Western allies stood ready to respond4.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...meets-with-nato-secretary-general-stoltenberg

Harris said it was “intentional” that she was holding her first meeting at the annual security conference with NATO’s secretary general. The administration is trying to drive the message to Putin that the crisis has only bolstered the 30-country military alliance’s resolve to push back against Moscow’s aggression.

Stoltenberg echoed Harris’ sentiment of growing NATO unity during the crisis.

“I also welcome the fact that European allies are stepping up, also increasing their presence in the eastern border of the alliance and also investing more in defense,” Stoltenberg said. “So the reality is that North America and Europe are doing more together now that we’ve done for many years.”

I don't recall the media covering much of what Pence did during his stint as a VP, either, so while it's easy to blame them for not highlighting VP Harris' work it may not be entirely fair. Having said that, whenever they DO mention her it's generally in terms of what team Biden didn't manage to achieve at the southern border. They often failed to address how VP Harris was meeting with South Americans attempting to address the basic reasons for WHY people were trying to escape into the U.S: climate and violence.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Then show us her work and the obstruction she faces.

Republican obstruction

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Now what?

Who has the grand plan?

For 2028?

Dems handed trump this election by running harris.

 

[adrina]

For 2028?

Dems handed trump this election by running harris.

I don't think so.

Are you suddenly going to not vote or vote for Trump?

 

[butters]

I don't think so.

Are you suddenly going to not vote or vote for Trump?

i think he's a canuck, no?

 

[adrina]

i think he's a canuck, no?

I think he's American but I could be wrong.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Who knows or cares I blocked them a long time ago.

Pelosi endorses Harris!

 

[Lazaran]

historian Joel Goldstein, whose work included extensive study of the office of the VP, says that entering the White House amid the COVID-19 pandemic affected her ability to conduct the public role of the second in command.

He cites how her schedule was effectively "held hostage" because of the great division in the Senate which required her presence so often to break tied votes.

She was a leading voice on potent campaign issues: abortion rights/lowering prescription costs/financing for African American entrepreneurs and the promotion of gun reform.

most recently, Biden had tasked Harris with European issues:

1. NATO Summit Review: Following an extraordinary NATO summit on February 25, 2022, Harris and European leaders reviewed recent and upcoming U.S. and NATO force posture adjustments in Europe. This included the deployment of thousands of U.S. troops and critical capabilities to reinforce deterrence posture and collective defense1.
2. Calls with European Leaders:
   • Harris spoke with President Charles Michel of the European Council, affirming the U.S. commitment to cooperation with the European Union in managing current and future challenges2.
   • She also engaged in separate calls with Prime Minister Kaja Kallas of Estonia and Prime Minister Krisjanis Karins of Latvia to discuss the Biden administration’s response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine3.
3. NATO Unity: Harris emphasized NATO unity during the escalating Ukraine crisis and warned Russia that the U.S. and Western allies stood ready to respond4.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...meets-with-nato-secretary-general-stoltenberg





I don't recall the media covering much of what Pence did during his stint as a VP, either, so while it's easy to blame them for not highlighting VP Harris' work it may not be entirely fair. Having said that, whenever they DO mention her it's generally in terms of what team Biden didn't manage to achieve at the southern border. They often failed to address how VP Harris was meeting with South Americans attempting to address the basic reasons for WHY people were trying to escape into the U.S: climate and violence.

Great post.



I would only add:

President Biden deployed Vice President Harris to deal with the the ENTIRE border AND immigration issue (as you highlighted when citing her liaisons with the governments of countries that the migrant crisis was originating from), but what wasn’t highlighted, was her work in the background to facilitate the BIPARTISAN immigration and border security bill that Trump and the MAGAt "republicans" SABOTAGED.



Here is a great read from Vice President Harris on the bill that she helped facilitate:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ipartisan-senate-national-security-agreement/



What an absolute SHAME that Trump and MAGAt "republicans" SABOTAGED that bill.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[ll74]

historian Joel Goldstein, whose work included extensive study of the office of the VP, says that entering the White House amid the COVID-19 pandemic affected her ability to conduct the public role of the second in command.

He cites how her schedule was effectively "held hostage" because of the great division in the Senate which required her presence so often to break tied votes.

She was a leading voice on potent campaign issues: abortion rights/lowering prescription costs/financing for African American entrepreneurs and the promotion of gun reform.

most recently, Biden had tasked Harris with European issues:

1. NATO Summit Review: Following an extraordinary NATO summit on February 25, 2022, Harris and European leaders reviewed recent and upcoming U.S. and NATO force posture adjustments in Europe. This included the deployment of thousands of U.S. troops and critical capabilities to reinforce deterrence posture and collective defense1.
2. Calls with European Leaders:
   • Harris spoke with President Charles Michel of the European Council, affirming the U.S. commitment to cooperation with the European Union in managing current and future challenges2.
   • She also engaged in separate calls with Prime Minister Kaja Kallas of Estonia and Prime Minister Krisjanis Karins of Latvia to discuss the Biden administration’s response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine3.
3. NATO Unity: Harris emphasized NATO unity during the escalating Ukraine crisis and warned Russia that the U.S. and Western allies stood ready to respond4.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...meets-with-nato-secretary-general-stoltenberg





I don't recall the media covering much of what Pence did during his stint as a VP, either, so while it's easy to blame them for not highlighting VP Harris' work it may not be entirely fair. Having said that, whenever they DO mention her it's generally in terms of what team Biden didn't manage to achieve at the southern border. They often failed to address how VP Harris was meeting with South Americans attempting to address the basic reasons for WHY people were trying to escape into the U.S: climate and violence.

NATO leaders love her

 

[ll74]

World leaders react to Biden’s exit from the 2024 US presidential race​

 

[Bn2f]

The thing that sticks with me was 4 years ago she was named “border crisis czar” she then she dropped completely out of sight and the border’s been a fiasco. Not saying the border is her fault, she inherited a lot of crap but we didn’t see any leadership from her on that front. Again, that may not be her fault, not sure who is pulling the strings on what we, the people, see. Same with the economy. If she was being positioned as a successor, somebody dropped the ball in terms of creating a public persona.

No. Sorry. Respectfully not in agreement here.

The questions you are asking of this current vp can/could apply to each and everyone of her succeeding vp’s with the exception of Cheney. The last vice president to run was Al Gore. I was just getting my political toes wet then, but I don’t recall the eight years of the Clinton presidency serving to prop up Gore. I remember the Gore campaign doing its best to distance itself from Clinton.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I don't think so.

Are you suddenly going to not vote or vote for Trump?

I'm not voting. I can't vote in the US.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I think he's American but I could be wrong.

You are.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Who knows or cares I blocked them a long time ago.

Pelosi endorses Harris!

It's okay, most dumb cunts have me on iggy.

 

[IARainman]

Republican obstruction

Well yes, but the point is, we’re not seeing her work relative the obstruction encountered

 

[IARainman]

No. Sorry. Respectfully not in agreement here.

The questions you are asking of this current vp can/could apply to each and everyone of her succeeding vp’s with the exception of Cheney. The last vice president to run was Al Gore. I was just getting my political toes wet then, but I don’t recall the eight years of the Clinton presidency serving to prop up Gore. I remember the Gore campaign doing its best to distance itself from Clinton.

This isn’t a matter of succession, they’re asking voters to decide so you have to show voters the quality of the candidate. Perhaps Gore would have been more successful had the American people understood his value. Plus, he did have an entire election cycle to make his own case.

 

[adrina]

I'm not voting. I can't vote in the US.

You are.

Ahhh yeah that's right. I'm still recovering from the heat hangover and was mixing you up with another.

 

[Bn2f]

This isn’t a matter of succession, they’re asking voters to decide so you have to show voters the quality of the candidate. Perhaps Gore would have been more successful had the American people understood his value. Plus, he did have an entire election cycle to make his own case.

The ticket said: Biden/Harris.
Sometimes, and unfortunately, the onus is on the voter to be more aware - aggressively civic.

I agree with 1174 that she should have had a more public persona. I’m saying that history indicates that promoting the vp is not a presidential campaigns priority.

 

[Bn2f]

This isn’t a matter of succession, they’re asking voters to decide so you have to show voters the quality of the candidate. Perhaps Gore would have been more successful had the American people understood his value. Plus, he did have an entire election cycle to make his own case.

I think it’s fair to say that I’m displaying a bias, but I honestly feel the shortsighted flaw in arguing that Harris is lacking in experience puts you in the position of defending the vp candidacy of the successful bio-fiction writer that’s known as JD Vance.