How replacing Biden as Democratic nominee would actually work

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Of course it isn't and Biden is at the top of his game and Trump colluded with the Russians. [/sarcasm]

No one believes a fucking thing liberals spout anymore.

Trump as Putin's 10 cent lapdance ho isn't liberal rhetoric. It's as obvious as the devastation of Ukraine, in which Trump is an accomplice.

Trump should be tried in The Hague as well as here at home. And then be turned over to a street justice team of Kurdish moms.

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[HisArpy]

They may force Biden to step aside but Harris isn't going to go along with that scenario. If they try to shit can her she's going to bolt and take her black followers with her.

I think the strategy might be that they realize they can't replace Biden on the ballot. But, that doesn't mean they can't replace him in the oval office.

Think this through; Biden is on the ballot for November and Harris is his VP choice. Sometime after the ballots are printed, Biden is either removed or resigns. The election happens and (for sake of argument) let's say Biden wins. Except he isn't eligible because he's been removed or he's resigned. Harris becomes President through the order of succession. She gets to choose her own VP, subject to the Constitution's Advise and Consent clause.

Net result: Biden is gone, Harris is President, and the world goes to hell in a nuclear hand basket.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think the strategy might be that they realize they can't replace Biden on the ballot. But, that doesn't mean they can't replace him in the oval office.

Think this through; Biden is on the ballot for November and Harris is his VP choice. Sometime after the ballots are printed, Biden is either removed or resigns. The election happens and (for sake of argument) let's say Biden wins. Except he isn't eligible because he's been removed or he's resigned. Harris becomes President through the order of succession. She gets to choose her own VP, subject to the Constitution's Advise and Consent clause.

Net result: Biden is gone, Harris is President, and the world goes to hell in a nuclear hand basket.

First with what we know about Harris there is no reason to be concerned about a nuclear anything with her. The worst case scenario is she reigns in Israel a bit and loses her re-election in this hilarious hypothetical. I mean you might as well talk about what the plan is if RoboHillary rises from the ocean to challenge Putinsaurous for dominion over New Zealand but okay.

In a world full of stupid strategies and I've seen more than a few floated this is getting up there in the you're joking right category? I mean if they just want him off the ticket the easiest answer is to just make sure there is a wrinkle in the carpet when he comes down a flight of steps. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and he's got a broken hip and can't do anything but stay drugged half out of his mind in recovery only to die in 2026.

Eitherway a Kamala victory does very little for anybody. She's hasn't shown anything that tells me she'd put up challenges to the Right in significant ways. She'd stick with the democrat strategy of leading through bipartisan bills whenever possible. Its a piss poor strategy but there it is.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Hopefully Democrats will stick with Dementia Joe. Right now it looks almost certain they will even though Harris, Newsom, Whitmer and Buttigieg actually do better against Trump in the CNN poll that just dropped this afternoon.

Rep. Lloyd Doggett is first Democrat to publicly call for Biden to step down as party’s nominee​

https://apnews.com/article/biden-doggett-2024-election-98c3bd8c4138245e7ef8f79d621268e8

 

[HisArpy]

First with what we know about Harris there is no reason to be concerned about a nuclear anything with her. The worst case scenario is she reigns in Israel a bit and loses her re-election in this hilarious hypothetical. I mean you might as well talk about what the plan is if RoboHillary rises from the ocean to challenge Putinsaurous for dominion over New Zealand but okay.

In a world full of stupid strategies and I've seen more than a few floated this is getting up there in the you're joking right category? I mean if they just want him off the ticket the easiest answer is to just make sure there is a wrinkle in the carpet when he comes down a flight of steps. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and he's got a broken hip and can't do anything but stay drugged half out of his mind in recovery only to die in 2026.

Eitherway a Kamala victory does very little for anybody. She's hasn't shown anything that tells me she'd put up challenges to the Right in significant ways. She'd stick with the democrat strategy of leading through bipartisan bills whenever possible. Its a piss poor strategy but there it is.

Harris isn't strong enough to deter our enemies. Which means they will feel emboldened to do whatever they wish, whether it's attack each other, our allies, or even the US itself.

The world is unstable. A war in the middle east, Putin threatening to use nukes, and there was some blurb on my newsfeed this am about how Hungary has, or is thinking about, invading southwest Ukraine. All of this is happening on Biden's watch where we supposedly have a firm/strong/experienced commander in chief.

Harris hasn't shown any leadership skills at all. She can't even manage to get to the southern US border. No strength, no leadership, no foreign policy skills, no firm hand on the reins at all.

Our enemies are laughing at us and you propose to install an even weaker President than Biden?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Harris isn't strong enough to deter our enemies. Which means they will feel emboldened to do whatever they wish, whether it's attack each other, our allies, or even the US itself.

The world is unstable. A war in the middle east, Putin threatening to use nukes, and there was some blurb on my newsfeed this am about how Hungary has, or is thinking about, invading southwest Ukraine. All of this is happening on Biden's watch where we supposedly have a firm/strong/experienced commander in chief.

Harris hasn't shown any leadership skills at all. She can't even manage to get to the southern US border. No strength, no leadership, no foreign policy skills, no firm hand on the reins at all.

Our enemies are laughing at us and you propose to install an even weaker President than Biden?

We don't have enemies worthy of that kind of attention. They will not attack the US, its unlikely they would attack each other (why would we care?) and they won't touch NATO. OTher allies might be fair game but even that is highly unlikely.

The world is all thigns considered more stable than at any period in the past. There have been whispers of wars my entire life and I'm sure your entire life. Ukraine is a huge, huge problem but its probably not going global. If you want to talk about weakness we should be talking about how Biden hasn't stepped up and shut down Israel. Lets be honest, no American President is going to do shit against Israel for the exact same reason no Gen Z person is going to stand against Hogwarts. They've been indoctrinated so heavily that nothing else matters.

Most presidents have shown minimal leadership skills but you're bringing up the Southern Border which has nothing to do with leadership skills one way or the other. The reality is the Southern Border is a problem both sides enjoy having. The only difference between the Left and the Right there are the motivations and that the Left doesn't really understand how the press works for whatever fucking reason.

I'm not at all a Harris fan. If we dumb Biden she has to go with him there is no point otherwise. But dumping Biden is no different than surrendering the election outright.

I propose we stick with Biden. Biden's strength is just fine for that. Our enemies have been laughing at us for decades mostly because we are far too stupid to act in our own self interests at all but you know Conservatives gotta do whatever they can to harm the country.

 

[HisArpy]

We don't have enemies worthy of that kind of attention. They will not attack the US, its unlikely they would attack each other (why would we care?) and they won't touch NATO. OTher allies might be fair game but even that is highly unlikely.

The world is all thigns considered more stable than at any period in the past. There have been whispers of wars my entire life and I'm sure your entire life. Ukraine is a huge, huge problem but its probably not going global. If you want to talk about weakness we should be talking about how Biden hasn't stepped up and shut down Israel. Lets be honest, no American President is going to do shit against Israel for the exact same reason no Gen Z person is going to stand against Hogwarts. They've been indoctrinated so heavily that nothing else matters.

Most presidents have shown minimal leadership skills but you're bringing up the Southern Border which has nothing to do with leadership skills one way or the other. The reality is the Southern Border is a problem both sides enjoy having. The only difference between the Left and the Right there are the motivations and that the Left doesn't really understand how the press works for whatever fucking reason.

I'm not at all a Harris fan. If we dumb Biden she has to go with him there is no point otherwise. But dumping Biden is no different than surrendering the election outright.

I propose we stick with Biden. Biden's strength is just fine for that. Our enemies have been laughing at us for decades mostly because we are far too stupid to act in our own self interests at all but you know Conservatives gotta do whatever they can to harm the country.

This is pure fantasy. All anyone needs to do is LOOK AROUND and you'll see that what you posted isn't based in reality.

 

[Chobham]

I think the strategy might be that they realize they can't replace Biden on the ballot. But, that doesn't mean they can't replace him in the oval office.

Think this through; Biden is on the ballot for November and Harris is his VP choice. Sometime after the ballots are printed, Biden is either removed or resigns. The election happens and (for sake of argument) let's say Biden wins. Except he isn't eligible because he's been removed or he's resigned. Harris becomes President through the order of succession. She gets to choose her own VP, subject to the Constitution's Advise and Consent clause.

Net result: Biden is gone, Harris is President, and the world goes to hell in a nuclear hand basket.

Yup, I think they're stuck with Harris no matter what. Off course ole Joe could use his newly found presidential immunity to have her shot.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is pure fantasy. All anyone needs to do is LOOK AROUND and you'll see that what you posted isn't based in reality.

No, it is pure fact. Please do look around. When were we safer? It wasn't the 70s and 80s where you idiots nearly ended the world more than once over shit a stupid as flock of geese. Nobody seriously believes we are going to be invaded by Russia. A worst case scenario is a lot of nukes and really no amount of "strength" deters that one bit. The thing about MAD is that even the "weakest" person will take you with them. Though in reality at that point all your doing is making sure everybody dies. You're not even improving your own situation.

The concept, the very CONCEPT of a war in Europe is to silly for anybody to imagine. Go look at history until WW2 every few decades Europe would break into teams and keep the male population under control. America would get in on funding one or both sides, they would redraw a few maps and go again.

Since WW2 we've basically had proxy wars. They are disgusting from a moral stand point but Korea, Vietnam, Afghanstan (vs Russia), Iraq, Iraq II, Afghanistan (vs US) were never going to become global conflicts.

Ukraine isn't going global, at this point if it was gonna happen it would have.

Which leaves us with Israel which probably won't but if it does the weakness you speak of is Biden didn't shut Israel down months ago. Like, no more talking about it. Wrap it up or no more money for you until the PLO green lights it.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

No, it is pure fact. Please do look around. When were we safer? It wasn't the 70s and 80s where you idiots nearly ended the world more than once over shit a stupid as flock of geese. Nobody seriously believes we are going to be invaded by Russia. A worst case scenario is a lot of nukes and really no amount of "strength" deters that one bit. The thing about MAD is that even the "weakest" person will take you with them. Though in reality at that point all your doing is making sure everybody dies. You're not even improving your own situation.

The concept, the very CONCEPT of a war in Europe is to silly for anybody to imagine. Go look at history until WW2 every few decades Europe would break into teams and keep the male population under control. America would get in on funding one or both sides, they would redraw a few maps and go again.

Since WW2 we've basically had proxy wars. They are disgusting from a moral stand point but Korea, Vietnam, Afghanstan (vs Russia), Iraq, Iraq II, Afghanistan (vs US) were never going to become global conflicts.

Ukraine isn't going global, at this point if it was gonna happen it would have.

Which leaves us with Israel which probably won't but if it does the weakness you speak of is Biden didn't shut Israel down months ago. Like, no more talking about it. Wrap it up or no more money for you until the PLO green lights it.

A war in Europe is taking place already.

The era of proxy wars began with the Balkans Wars of 1912-13. The world wars were a deviation from the path of history.

Ukraine is a local theatre in a global conflict that includes Russia, China, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia as its main protagonists.

Israel cannot be touched significantly. Iran cannot be touched. Turkey and Qatar cannot be touched. Taiwan cannot be touched.

France is the immediate battleground. It's 1939. The Russ are the Nazis.

All the rest is applesauce.

 

[Sean Renaud]

A war in Europe is taking place already.

The era of proxy wars began with the Balkans Wars of 1912-13. The world wars were a deviation from the path of history.

Ukraine is a local theatre in a global conflict that includes Russia, China, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia as its main protagonists.

Israel cannot be touched significantly. Iran cannot be touched. Turkey and Qatar cannot be touched. Taiwan cannot be touched.

France is the immediate battleground. It's 1939. The Russ are the Nazis.

All the rest is applesauce.

Ukraine v Russia is a proxy war. The World Wars were not a deviation from the path of history. For all intents and purposes the 7 years/French Indian War WAS a world war. Lets stop pretending we really consider anything outside of Europe and America really the world. Even World War 2 by the stand your using would be two separate wars with an alliance that didn't even really benefit the Axis at all. IF anything it harmed them.

Taiwan can be touched but that's the exception the others you are primarily correct about.

France is untouchable at least in the short term.

 

[ll74]

Dumping Harris and keeping Biden might be their best option. That avoids the ballot change clusterfuck. They would still have the awkwardness of the bottom half of the ticket being obviously the brain and doing the work. We had that with Cheney, so that may be a precedent they don't want to use.

Their cleanest option would be to have Biden drop and endorse Harris. Everything else probably will be a mess.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Their cleanest option would be to have Biden drop and endorse Harris. Everything else probably will be a mess.

The cleanest option is ignoring the beltway press and keeping the Biden/Harris ticket.

 

[ll74]

The cleanest option is ignoring the beltway press and keeping the Biden/Harris ticket.

Yes, I'm not talking about that, but thanks for your input.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Yes, I'm not talking about that, but thanks for your input.

The media always pushes the idea of the leading Dem dropping out. We don't have to play that silly game.

 

[ll74]

The media always pushes the idea of the leading Dem dropping out. We don't have to play that silly game.

I understood your position the first time.

 

[dmallord]

Biden is having a "family meeting" at Camp David this week to determine which direction his campaign goes.

He's going to drop out and hand it off to Newsom. Sometime in Oct he'll resign. Harris will pardon him and Hunter. DOCTOR Jill will get a pardon too but it'll be kept quiet unless and until it's needed.

Please take your meds. You are not the least bit funny playing with your eightball like that.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Dumping Harris and keeping Biden might be their best option. That avoids the ballot change clusterfuck. They would still have the awkwardness of the bottom half of the ticket being obviously the brain and doing the work. We had that with Cheney, so that may be a precedent they don't want to use.

People who speculate about the GWB-Cheney relationship without having spent time observing them directly are like people who think Mickey Mouse cartoons are porn.

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[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Ukraine v Russia is a proxy war. The World Wars were not a deviation from the path of history. For all intents and purposes the 7 years/French Indian War WAS a world war. Lets stop pretending we really consider anything outside of Europe and America really the world. Even World War 2 by the stand your using would be two separate wars with an alliance that didn't even really benefit the Axis at all. IF anything it harmed them.

Taiwan can be touched but that's the exception the others you are primarily correct about.

France is untouchable at least in the short term.

France turned out to be untouchable.

Labour won in the UK.

The center-left won in France.

Iran elected a moderate.

I think it's time for Americans to ease up on the heavy breathing. History, always unpredictable, has shown that the vaunted rightist-fascist tide was a mere ripple. Putin bet and lost.

Keep up pressure on Russia. Biden/Kerensky is way better than DJT/Kornilov. A little reading of Lenin and Trotsky would be useful.

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[Sean Renaud]

France turned out to be untouchable.

Labour won in the UK.

The center-left won in France.

Iran elected a moderate.

I think it's time for Americans to ease up on the heavy breathing. History, always unpredictable, has shown that the vaunted rightist-fascist tide was a mere ripple. Putin bet and lost.

Keep up pressure on Russia. Biden/Kerensky is way better than DJT/Kornilov. A little reading of Lenin and Trotsky would be useful.

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History really isn't that unpredictable. Granted some of it is hindsight kinda stuff but still. Honestly the only thing here that I don't agree with 100% is that Putin lost. We still haven't put Biden in for a second term.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

History really isn't that unpredictable. Granted some of it is hindsight kinda stuff but still. Honestly the only thing here that I don't agree with 100% is that Putin lost. We still haven't put Biden in for a second term.

I have been good over time at short term predix.

I figured DJT would win in 2016. Because the Dems had made clear they cared more for cheques from Fuckerberg than votes by auto workers.

I saw 1-6 coming.

But Cville was a complete shock to me.

Chappelle ditto, and the absurd liberal reax.

Roe equally shocking.

SCOTUS moral suicide ditto.

And finally... I sort of expected Labour to win in the UK but didn't care too much.

France... I speak the language and have a literary presence there. I knew the French would NEVER vote for a rightist gov, but am surprised and greatly heartened by the smashing victory of the New Popular Front.

Paris. Fount of light for liberals and revolutionaries. Threatened by Le Pen.

I'm reminded of this moment:

And of this:

And of this:

And of this:

Too many Americans ignored this, or have forgotten it. I haven't. I wish I could have his baby.

This sequence, I think, illustrates the unpredictability of history. The Muse Clio is a bitch; don't date her.

This site would be more fun if people here read more books. "Lit" etc.

Memes don't cut it.

Here's a good book on Trumpism:

The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte https://a.co/d/0dK1MmIs

Here's a good piece on methodology:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1932-ger/index.ht

Putin is not yet defeated at large but suffered a very serious reverse in Western Europe.

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[RobDownSouth]

Everyone should re-read this thread from start to finish.
I had old Beat Man on ignore and found this post-debate gem of a thread today.
What a difference a month makes!

. But, at this point, should Biden engage the country in that level of jeopardy? To step aside and unleash the admittedly complicated process of locating and nominating a more robust and promising ticket seems the more rational course and would be an act of patriotism. To refuse to do so, to go on contending that his good days are more plentiful than the bad, to ignore the inevitability of time and aging, doesn’t merely risk his legacy—it risks the election and, most important, puts in peril the very issues and principles that Biden has framed as central to his Presidency and essential to the future.

Did I just read Wat Fucking Tyler call President Joe Biden stepping aside and letting someone else run an "act of patriotism".

Good Lord, they're gonna revoke his gun club membership.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Their cleanest option would be to have Biden drop and endorse Harris. Everything else probably will be a mess.

Wow, you were right on the money! I was dubious about Harris replacing Biden when it was first floated, but events have proved me wrong!

 

[ll74]

Wow, you were right on the money! I was dubious about Harris replacing Biden when it was first floated, but events have proved me wrong!

I'm just glad that Biden stepped aside. I think he should've done so last year. Our politics would be in a different place if he had.

That being said, Harris will get a bump from all the endorsements and then the ground will settle and we'll see where things end up. I can't see where she won't poll much higher than Biden.

Another aspect of this - the right is throwing darts at a board to see what weakness there is on her ticket. She needs to own whatever they throw. Even the whole "border czar" monicker. If she can or does, she'll settle in with an advantage

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I'm just glad that Biden stepped aside. I think he should've done so last year. Our politics would be in a different place if he had.

That being said, Harris will get a bump from all the endorsements and then the ground will settle and we'll see where things end up. I can't see where she won't poll much higher than Biden.

Another aspect of this - the right is throwing darts at a board to see what weakness there is on her ticket. She needs to own whatever they throw. Even the whole "border czar" monicker. If she can or does, she'll settle in with an advantage

One advantage of Biden waiting as late as he did to withdraw was he threw the entire Republican plan into disarray. They spent months making Biden’s age the number one issue. Now everyone is talking about how old and feeble Donald Trump is.