SCOTUS watch thread: Trump immunity, Capitol riot defendants, abortion, censorship

[adrina]

 

[ll74]

Nothing significant will happen there until Cannon is removed from the case.

I strongly disagree.

 

[jaF0]

Ronnie Reagan’s Iran-Contra deal too.

I’m beginning to see a pattern. No wonder the Republicans believe the President needs to be immune from prosecution!

I'll always say Holder should be charged with murder. Not sure how direct BO was involved in that, if at all.

 

[jomar]

Nixon had nothing to do with Watergate you idiot.

You got receipts for that?

Nixon's crime was obstruction of justice in an attempt to protect his AG. It was Mitchell that know of and approved the Watergate break in.

I can see Nixon giving a wink and a nod and leaving the planning meeting

 

[PaxNurgle]

He did not. He targeted a traitor and terrorist. If 45 had done the same, you'd celebrate it.

45 DID so, (Against Solemani in Iran) and yes, he did in fact celebrate it. I remember distinctly.

 

[ll74]

I will say this - Biden could take money from China in exchange for pardons of whoever they want and he would be immune from prosecution. He might be impeached, but likely wouldn't be convicted.

And no, I don't want him to do that. He could.

 

[RoryN]

Trump seeks to postpone sentencing and set aside verdict in his hush money trial after the Supreme Court's immunity ruling

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...hush-money-verdict-immunity-ruling-rcna159890

 

[Rotadom]

 

[adrina]

 

[MajorRewrite]

I’d like to see Biden quickly put the ruling to a test.

Reinstate the bump stock ban. Presidential immunity should mean he’s immune from any judicial action, so the court acted illegally when it overturned the ban.

Repeat for a few more actions/programs the court ruled against.

Force the hand of the fake conservatives on the Doofus Court. To protect the judicial branch’s power, they’ll rule that Presidential immunity is bullshit.

 

[KeithD]

Reinstate the bump stock ban. Presidential immunity should mean he’s immune from any judicial action, so the court acted illegally when it overturned the ban.

The irony is that the Trumpers here know they can rest assured that the decent man, Biden, won't take advantage of this whereas their guy, the rotten Trump, will/would milk it for all it's worth.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The irony is that the Trumpers here know they can rest assured that the decent man, Biden, won't take advantage of this whereas their guy, the rotten Trump, will/would milk it for all it's worth.

Testing the limits of the court’s ruling isn’t taking advantage. It’s the way to force the court to publicly establish real limits to nonsensical “presidential immunity” BEFORE the election.

If Trump is elected, the court isn’t going to limit presidential power in any way.

 

[AlexBailey]

Biden should make an official action to protect the country from insurrectionists and corrupt judges.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807940950930362475

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807965864572211306

Sellouts abound.

they need to stop swearing in motherfuckers on Bibles and use a stack of money instead, it'd be more accurate to the truth.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I hope Biden can do that well in his second debate with Trump.

Biden reminds me of George Foreman and his comeback: the older the heavy weight boxing champion or the president of the United States is the younger I feel.

 

[CambridgeBi]

The irony is that the Trumpers here know they can rest assured that the decent man, Biden, won't take advantage of this

Is he really decent?

 

[Lazaran]

A very good read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati.../01/sotomayor-jackson-trump-immunity-dissent/

The key section in Justice Soyomayor’s dissent (imho) from the article:

“She accused the majority of ignoring legal precedent and endorsing an “expansive vision of Presidential immunity” that goes far beyond what the founders, the executive branch — and even Trump’s lawyers — have ever recognized.

Particularly “nonsensical,” Sotomayor wrote, was the ruling that prosecutors could not use Trump’s official acts as evidence in a trial — even if the official acts are related to allegations around unofficial acts.

The indictment against Trump, for example, alleges that he exploited the power of his own Justice Department to convince states to replace their legitimate 2020 electors with Trump’s fraudulent electors. The justices ruled Monday that Trump’s conversations with his Justice Department officials would qualify as official acts and could not be used as evidence or to establish motive.

“Argument by argument, the majority invents immunity through brute force,” Sotomayor wrote, adding that the ruling narrows the line between official acts and unofficial ones so much that it makes prosecuting an unofficial act nearly impossible. “Under scrutiny, its arguments crumble.”



That last section will be put to the test IMMEDIATELY, as Judge Chutkan is NOW tasked with deciding what is or isn’t an official presidential act .



Of course, the corrupt orange traitor will appeal any decision Judge Chutkan makes to the same corrupt right wing majority on the SCOTUS that just expanded presidential immunity to a ridiculous degree…



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[jomar]

Sotomayor: Particularly “nonsensical,” was the ruling that prosecutors could not use Trump’s official acts as evidence in a trial — even if the official acts are related to allegations around unofficial acts. “Argument by argument, the majority invents immunity through brute force,” Sotomayor wrote, adding that the ruling narrows the line between official acts and unofficial ones so much that it makes prosecuting an unofficial act nearly impossible. “Under scrutiny, its arguments crumble.”

So with this troubling ruling, the conservatives on SCOTUS are themselves setting the stage for an authoritarian regime. We are truly a nation in decline.

 

[adrina]

I have zero doubt whatsoever that if the positions were reversed, that this was Obama instead of Trump, that Alito and Thomas would have argued in the exact opposite. Vociferously. This is a partisan decision that is antithetical to America. We have no kings.

I never want to hear an "originalist" say anything again about the constitution. Ever.

 

[KeithD]

Is he really decent?
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Yes, of course he is. And he contrasts starkly with the criminal, conman, treasonous Trump.

 

[coati]

I have zero belief whatsoever that if the positions were reversed, that this was Obama instead of Trump, that Alito and Thomas would have argued in the exact opposite. Vociferously. This is a partisan decision that is antithetical to America. We have no kings.

I never want to hear an "originalist" say anything again about the constitution. Ever.

"Originalism" does not refer to the Constitution. It refers to the "original" purpose of the Federalist Society.

Interpreted from that original purpose, the ruling clearly states Republican Presidents shall have absolute immunity. Biden does not qualify for any right to immunity.

As long as the Court is constituted with the current majority of political hacks, Republican autocracy shall reign.

 

[adrina]

"Originalism" does not refer to the Constitution. It refers to the "original" purpose of the Federalist Society.

Interpreted from that original purpose, the ruling clearly states Republican Presidents shall have absolute immunity. Biden does not qualify for any right to immunity.

As long as the Court is constituted with the current majority of political hacks, Republican autocracy shall reign.

Yup, that's sure the way it seems. Regardless of their oft spouted reverence for the document they are butchering to suit their own purposes.

 

[coati]

Besides "originalism" referring to the original plans of the Federalist Society, their other key term is "textualism". This was Scalia's pet soundbite of new-speak. When you look at how it is actually used, it should be called "pretextualism", because it is used only as a selective pretext to favor the financial interests of the richest members of society.

The Federalist Society is concerned with increasing quarterly financial gains for major corporations. By grooming young conservative law students and taking them into their grossly funded club, they made sure that the Supreme Court majority would be completely insulated from the concerns of the middle and lower economic classes, except for key social issues that were vital to getting just enough votes to elect Republicans. They took on anti-abortion, pro-gun, pro-evangelical, xenophobic, and racist social views as a way for economically struggling voters to direct their seething anger at scapegoats instead of at the greedy corporations who were cynically manipulating their emotions.

Oldest political trick in the books.

 

[Pad_Foot]

So? Biden is free to weaponize anything now??

Fine

Nice that he will be untouchable by King ‘rump

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

So? Biden is free to weaponize anything now??

Fine

Nice that he will be untouchable by King ‘rump

No