Do you own your body?

[adrina]

Only because you're so thick headed and constantly whining about men that you don't realize Trump closed the door on a Federal government banning abortion.

Never made that argument and I don't hold that position. Quit lying.

I can support a state making it's own decisions and laws without supporting what those decisions and laws may be, you stupid idiot.

Never have, never will. More of you just lying because you're so delusional you refuse to see how removing government from abortion decisions is a good thing.

No he didn't. In fact there are GOP reps and senators actively pushing for a federal ban. What Trump did was destroy the national right to abortion and opened it up to states banning it. He would absolutely sign a federal abortion ban if presented to him by congress.

The door is not only not closed for a federal ban, the repeal of Roe opened that door. That you don't understand that is insane. Do you not understand how law works. There is nothing in Dobbs that prohibits a federal ban. Nothing.

Men earned my distrust. You can try to blame me for how I perceived the action and inaction on the part of men when they sacrificed women. It doesn't change my distrust - or the other women who also feel the same way I do.

The loss of Roe directly caused over 100k women to be forced to carry rape pregnancies. And according to you, the situation which caused it is a good thing.

Do you have an IQ above room temperature?

 

[TastySuckToy]

No he didn't. In fact there are GOP reps and senators actively pushing for a federal ban. What Trump did was destroy the national right to abortion and opened it up to states banning it.

You can't claim states have authority on the issue in one breath, and then insist the Federal government will just override it in the next.

Pick a lane.

He would absolutely sign a federal abortion ban if presented to him by congress.

I'll let Trump's actions and choices speak for themselves; I don't a give a shit about you pretending to know what Trump is gonna do in the future.

The door is not only not closed for a federal ban, the repeal of Roe opened that door. That you don't understand that is insane. Do you not understand how law works. There is nothing in Dobbs that prohibits a federal ban. Nothing.

My position is that I want government out of the issue entirely.

Your position is you want to argue about what level of government should be sticking its nose into the issue.

And you have the audacity to try and pretend you're on the side of women here.

 

[adrina]

You can't claim states have authority on the issue in one breath, and then insist the Federal government will just override it in the next.

Pick a lane.

I'll let Trump's actions and choices speak for themselves; I don't a give a shit about you pretending to know what Trump is gonna do in the future.

My position is that I want government out of the issue entirely.

Your position is you want to argue about what level of government should be sticking its nose into the issue.

And you have the audacity to try and pretend you're on the side of women here.

Again, you don't understand the law. This isn't an either or. This was simply an end to a right to an abortion at a federal level. Not that there isn't a right for the feds to ban abortion. Your glibness is just demonstrating how you don't have the mental or personal capacity to be trusted on this issue.

You conservatives keep having to Trumpsplain. Shrugs. It's your hero. Bronze as he is.

Well government has now banned women from having abortions in 14 states and severely restricted them in 27. The government is more in the issue now than it was with Roe. You are celebrating something which has increased government involvement in the lives of citizens. Women of course.

Again, your perception sucks. I'm saying point blank that women should have the right to abortion protected at a national level.

Audacity? Fucksakes. Not even.

 

[Lazaran]

You can't claim states have authority on the issue in one breath, and then insist the Federal government will just override it in the next.

Pick a lane.

I'll let Trump's actions and choices speak for themselves; I don't a give a shit about you pretending to know what Trump is gonna do in the future.

My position is that I want government out of the issue entirely.

Your position is you want to argue about what level of government should be sticking its nose into the issue.

And you have the audacity to try and pretend you're on the side of women here.

TaintyFuckBoi

 

[ll74]

You can't claim states have authority on the issue in one breath, and then insist the Federal government will just override it in the next.

Pick a lane.

I'll let Trump's actions and choices speak for themselves; I don't a give a shit about you pretending to know what Trump is gonna do in the future.

My position is that I want government out of the issue entirely.

Your position is you want to argue about what level of government should be sticking its nose into the issue.

And you have the audacity to try and pretend you're on the side of women here.

Government Before Dobbs: women can make medical decisions about their pregnancies up until viability and even then they can make choices about their bodies and medical care.

Government After Dobbs: women can only make certain decisions about some pregnancies in select states and medical care surrounding pregnancy decisions aren't being made because caregivers don't want to be sued.

 

[ll74]

You can't claim states have authority on the issue in one breath, and then insist the Federal government will just override it in the next.

Pick a lane.

I'll let Trump's actions and choices speak for themselves; I don't a give a shit about you pretending to know what Trump is gonna do in the future.

My position is that I want government out of the issue entirely.

Your position is you want to argue about what level of government should be sticking its nose into the issue.

And you have the audacity to try and pretend you're on the side of women here.

Here's the thing - you want government out of medical decisions completely, specifically abortion, then make a federal law that makes abortion a right for all woman without restrictions.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Again, you don't understand the law. This isn't an either or. This was simply an end to a right to an abortion at a federal level. Not that there isn't a right for the feds to ban abortion. Your glibness is just demonstrating how you don't have the mental or personal capacity to be trusted on this issue.

You conservatives keep having to Trumpsplain. Shrugs. It's your hero. Bronze as he is.

Well government has now banned women from having abortions in 14 states and severely restricted them in 27. The government is more in the issue now than it was with Roe. You are celebrating something which has increased government involvement in the lives of citizens. Women of course.

Again, your perception sucks. I'm saying point blank that women should have the right to abortion protected at a national level.

Audacity? Fucksakes. Not even.

In other words, you simply don't grasp the concept that just because the big government happens to suit your viewpoint at the moment, giving the big government authority on the issue is a good thing.

I, on the other hand, recognize governments routinely change flavours and positions, and the best way to protect people's personal lives and decisions is to keep government out of them entirely.

You'd be screaming to the hills with victory if the Federal government had in the past banned abortion nationally, and then kicked the issue to the states and states started legalizing it.

The only difference being your personal position on the issue.

My position, however, would protect a woman's 'right to abortion' regardless of what particular government is in power, because I insist the government should have no say whatsoever in it.

You're insisting the government should have a say, but it only counts when you agree with it.

My position is more pro women than yours, because it asserts government shouldn't have a say at all, and you're trying to push the government's nose into the issue, as long as it matches your opinion.

 

[adrina]

In other words, you simply don't grasp the concept that just because the big government happens to suit your viewpoint at the moment, giving the big government authority on the issue is a good thing.

I, on the other hand, recognize governments routinely change flavours and positions, and the best way to protect people's personal lives and decisions is to keep government out of them entirely.

You'd be screaming to the hills with victory if the Federal government had in the past banned abortion nationally, and then kicked the issue to the states and states started legalizing it.

The only difference being your personal position on the issue.

My position, however, would protect a woman's 'right to abortion' regardless of what particular government is in power, because I insist the government should have no say whatsoever in it.

You're insisting the government should have a say, but it only counts when you agree with it.

My position is more pro women than yours, because it asserts government shouldn't have a say at all, and you're trying to push the government's nose into the issue, as long as it matches your opinion.

You are supporting a decision which puts government in between women and abortion services. Intrusively. Restrictively.

The decision you support opens the door to a national abortion ban.

And you dare to lecture me about what I don't understand.

Oh do fuck off.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Here's the thing - you want government out of medical decisions completely, specifically abortion,

Correct.

then make a federal law that makes abortion a right for all woman without restrictions.

Does the Federal government need to make a law that breathing is a legal right? Or does it have no authority on that issue?

I fundamentally reject any claim or assertion the government should have such authority in the first place.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You are supporting a decision which puts government in between women and abortion services. Intrusively. Restrictively.

The decision you support opens the door to a national abortion ban.

And you dare to lecture me about what I don't understand.

Oh do fuck off.

I say I want government completely out of the picture and with no authority regarding abortion, and you think that's me supporting government intervention on abortion?

Are you retarded?

 

[adrina]

I say I want government completely out of the picture and with no authority regarding abortion, and you think that's me supporting government intervention on abortion?

Are you retarded?

Let's see if you can follow the logical course of events:

Roe was overturned.
You support that.
Because Roe was overturned:

• trigger bans happened in 17 states
• 27 more states put onerous restrictions on abortion
• Over 100k women have been forced to carry rape pregnancies
• Government is more in the way of abortion care than ever

GOP and conservatives are pushing for a national ban on abortion. Because Roe is no longer in their way.

No, but you are.

 

[ll74]

Correct.

Does the Federal government need to make a law that breathing is a legal right? Or does it have no authority on that issue?

I fundamentally reject any claim or assertion the government should have such authority in the first place.

You keep saying that the government shouldn't be involved, so why are they? Why are multiple governments now involved when before they weren't allowed to be involved?

You can't ignore that they are involved because of the recent decision and play dumb about the multiple states currently being involved. There's no logic there.

 

[ll74]

I say I want government completely out of the picture and with no authority regarding abortion, and you think that's me supporting government intervention on abortion?

Are you retarded?

So you support a Constitutional amendment giving medical rights, including abortion, to be passed. Or you're just an idiot.

 

[Naughtylo]

Yes but I do lend it out quite a lot. X

 

[TastySuckToy]

Let's see if you can follow the logical course of events:

Roe was overturned.
You support that.
Because Roe was overturned:

• trigger bans happened in 17 states
• 27 more states put onerous restrictions on abortion
• Over 100k women have been forced to carry rape pregnancies
• Government is more in the way of abortion care than ever

GOP and conservatives are pushing for a national ban on abortion. Because Roe is no longer in their way.

My position: "Government should not have authority or power over the issue of abortion, and kicking the issue to the states is the first step in recognizing that."

Your position: "I need the government to have the authority and power to give women permission for abortions."

And you honestly think you're fighting for women's rights?

All you're doing is arguing for government authority and power while pretending government should have a say in the first place.

If you wanna seriously sit there and demand government should have the authority and power to dictate abortion decisions, go ahead and be my guest.

My position is government should not have authority or power of abortion, at any level. Period. Full Stop.

Keep arguing against that all you want, just don't expect me or anyone else to take you seriously when you claim to be for 'women's rights'.

 

[jaF0]

WTAF are you trying to say here???

People don't want one set of laws nationwide. There would be no states other than in name and shape if that were to happen. Federalizing laws is not the answer. And yes, health care is inconsistent between states. Always has been, always will be.

All that happened here (whether it should have or not) is that it got tossed back to the states, just like speed limits, gun laws, tax laws and so many other things.

The ONLY practical way to set a national standard is to block the states from knowing via HIPAA and let the AMA and other professional medical organizations decide which procedures are safe.

 

[ll74]

My position: "Government should not have authority or power over the issue of abortion, and kicking the issue to the states is the first step in recognizing that."

Your position: "I need the government to have the authority and power to give women permission for abortions."

And you honestly think you're fighting for women's rights?

All you're doing is arguing for government authority and power while pretending government should have a say in the first place.

If you wanna seriously sit there and demand government should have the authority and power to dictate abortion decisions, go ahead and be my guest.

My position is government should not have authority or power of abortion, at any level. Period. Full Stop.

Keep arguing against that all you want, just don't expect me or anyone else to take you seriously when you claim to be for 'women's rights'.

The government has authority over women's bodies. Federal or state, they do. In order for them NOT to have authority, there either has to be an amendment to the Constitution or a law created.

The Supreme Court made that clear and you haven't gotten the memo.

 

[jaF0]

I'm saying point blank that women should have the right to abortion protected at a national level.

I'm not entirely sure that the Feds should be in that area at all any more than the states should, either way. Set standards for a safe procedure, the same way food and drug standards are set, but to guarantee availability? Is that really a Government thing?

They can't even agree on voting rights which is a far more appropriate place for government.

 

[ll74]

I'm not entirely sure that the Feds should be in that area at all any more than the states should.

They can't even agree on voting rights which is a far more appropriate place for government.

They already are. Then they said that states can be.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You keep saying that the government shouldn't be involved, so why are they? Why are multiple governments now involved when before they weren't allowed to be involved?

Because people like you and adrina keep demanding the government step in to rule about it.

By insisting the government give 'permission' to women to have abortions, you automatically are asserting the authority of the government to deny it as well. And then bitch and complain when government changes (like it always does), and throwing shit fits crying that the government is meddling in private business. Yeah, that's what happens when you push for government control on such things.

 

[jaF0]

I'm saying neither should be.

There should not be laws prohibiting or guaranteeing any legitimate, safe medical procedure. That should be up to the medical professions.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I'm saying neither should be.

There should not be laws prohibiting or guaranteeing any legitimate, safe medical procedure. That should be up to the medical professions.

Finally, a voice of reason.

 

[jaF0]

The farthest federal law should go is to prohibit states from prohibiting procedures deemed safe by the medical professionals.

 

[ll74]

Because people like you and adrina keep demanding the government step in to rule about it.

By insisting the government give 'permission' to women to have abortions, you automatically are asserting the authority of the government to deny it as well. And then bitch and complain when government changes (like it always does), and throwing shit fits crying that the government is meddling in private business. Yeah, that's what happens when you push for government control on such things.

What the fuck are you on about? Medical decisions being obstructed by government has never been anything I insist on.

I never asked them to take those decisions away....pro lifers did.

So at the federal level, all states should be instructed to fuck off with their decisions regarding medical care for the people. I never wanted such a thing because with Roe, it was decided. I'm fine with a law or an amendment.

 

[ll74]

The farthest federal law should go is to prohibit states from prohibiting procedures deemed safe by the medical professionals.

The states should be instructed to stay the fuck out of medical decisions by the federal government.