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[ll74]

If this turns out to be accurate:

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805525

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People like bB use this shit to conflate all Gazans and all journalists under the same umbrella. (As has been demonstrated)

Anyone who has been a part of holding hostages should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And authorities across the board should pressure all journalism entire to review contributes to their organizations and ensure they remain neutral.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

People like bB use this shit to conflate all Gazans and all journalists under the same umbrella. (As has been demonstrated)

Anyone who has been a part of holding hostages should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And authorities across the board should pressure all journalism entire to review contributes to their organizations and ensure they remain neutral.

In the case of the recent war in Gaza, the posts of the conservative shitposters have often been more accurate than the posts of the Lit progressives. Witness how readily inflammatory terms like “genocide”and “apartheid” were thrown around and debunked casualty numbers were stated as fact.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I am entertained that you continue to believe I'm being inconsistent in my position.

All civilians must be protected at all costs.

The cowardly Israeli genocide force has proven month after month they don't give a flying fuck about civilian casualties.
The proof is in the 30:1 casualty rate.
This is nothing less than ethnic cleansing.

 

[ll74]

In the case of the recent war in Gaza, the posts of the conservative shitposters have often been more accurate than the posts of the Lit progressives. Witness how readily inflammatory terms like “genocide”and “apartheid” were thrown around and debunked casualty numbers were stated as fact.

The fog of war is real, as is the histrionic horseshit. Hamas should be pressured to surrender and turn over all hostages.....and instead their political horseshit is making that impossible.

And this is sad to me because for a while there, the political capital really could've driven forward the two state solution. Now stupid people are fighting over which side is the worst to support their position of completely wiping them out.

 

[RobDownSouth]

In the case of the recent war in Gaza, the posts of the conservative shitposters have often been more accurate than the posts of the Lit progressives. Witness how readily inflammatory terms like “genocide”and “apartheid” were thrown around and debunked casualty numbers were stated as fact.

"more accurate" is subjective.

"Inflammatory terms"? I remain convinced that at 30:1 casualty rate meets my criteria for "genocide".

 

[ll74]

The cowardly Israeli genocide force has proven month after month they don't give a flying fuck about civilian casualties.
The proof is in the 30:1 casualty rate.
This is nothing less than ethnic cleansing.

You're a broken record. Hamas' actions have contributed directly to many of those deaths. I don't give a shit....protect civilians..period

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're a broken record. Hamas' actions have contributed directly to many of those deaths. I don't give a shit....protect civilians..period

Someone has to provide balance to the Force.
I do not deny that Hamas actions contributed to some of the deaths.
This is Urban Warfare, and the cowardly IDF has show zero concern for civilian "collateral damage".
This is reminiscent of the Soviet block-by-block levelling for Berlin in 1945.
The conduct of the cowardly IDF is a massive war crime.
It's a good thing that Israel thumbs its nose at international treaties, or many Israeli military and civilian leaders would be hung.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

In German there is the saying:

"Wer Wind sät, wird Sturm ernten!"
(Who sows wind, will harvest storm)

HAMAS has sowed wind and earns now together with its supporters the storm of the IDF.

In WW2, German special forces, the so called Brandenburger, and paratroopers were accused for using civilans and POWs as shields. Again, the HAMAS uses NAZI tactics. The goal is even the same ... killing jews.

 

[ll74]

Someone has to provide balance to the Force.
I do not deny that Hamas actions contributed to some of the deaths.
This is Urban Warfare, and the cowardly IDF has show zero concern for civilian "collateral damage".
This is reminiscent of the Soviet block-by-block levelling for Berlin in 1945.
The conduct of the cowardly IDF is a massive war crime.
It's a good thing that Israel thumbs its nose at international treaties, or many Israeli military and civilian leaders would be hung.

Seriously, your opinion continues to be as valuable as bB's.

Neither of you want peace. You both want punishment

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The fog of war is real, as is the histrionic horseshit. Hamas should be pressured to surrender and turn over all hostages.....and instead their political horseshit is making that impossible.

And this is sad to me because for a while there, the political capital really could've driven forward the two state solution. Now stupid people are fighting over which side is the worst to support their position of completely wiping them out.

No one in the international community is pressuring Hamas and its Arab backers to do anything. All the pressure has been on Israel to capitulate.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

Yes, they even forget that HAMAS has still hostages ... for what? Raping?

 

[ll74]

No one in the international community is pressuring Hamas and its Arab backers to do anything. All the pressure has been on Israel to capitulate.

Agreed

 

[ExxWhyZee]

The cowardly Israeli genocide force has proven month after month they don't give a flying fuck about civilian casualties.
The proof is in the 30:1 casualty rate.
This is nothing less than ethnic cleansing.

Good

 

[ExxWhyZee]

That is not my responsibility to discern.

Yes, it's difficult for combatants to figure out. I don't care how hard it is.

So it's impossible

Yet we blame Israel for alleged deaths of civilians

 

[ll74]

So it's impossible

Incorrect.

Yet we blame Israel for alleged deaths of civilians

I blame Hamas and Israel for civilian deaths when they kill civilians. I blame Russia and Ukraine for it as well.

You have your horse in the race like Rob and cannot see through your bullshit.

 

[censurat]

Incorrect.


I blame Hamas and Israel for civilian deaths when they kill civilians. I blame Russia and Ukraine for it as well.

You have your horse in the race like Rob and cannot see through your bullshit.

define civilian

 

[ll74]

define civilian

I have. Multiple times. In reality, the Geneva convention is the authority on the definition of civilian.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

LOL

The question is what to do if the enemy hides without uniform or only partially uniformed within other persons non wearing uniforms.

This is not a legal problem but a practical problem.

 

[ll74]

LOL

The question is what to do if the enemy hides without uniform or only partially uniformed within other persons non wearing uniforms.

This is not a legal problem but a practical problem.

It is a difficulty, absolutely.

 

[Rightguide]

I called it almost one month ago.

The two fringe-right ministers, Smotrich and Gvir, announced they will give Netanyahu a vote of no confidence if Netanyahu accepts ANY permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

This would result in a new election for Prime Minister and likely end Netanyahu's political career.

I've already said once if Netanyahu is replaced it could be someone more hard-line than him.

 

[Rightguide]

I am entertained that you continue to believe I'm being inconsistent in my position.

All civilians must be protected at all costs.

That is unrealistic.

 

[censurat]

I have. Multiple times. In reality, the Geneva convention is the authority on the definition of civilian.

you havent

What is a civilian in the Geneva Convention?


“Civilian” means, in an international armed conflict, any person who does not belong to the armed forces and does not take part in a “levée en masse”. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian or not, that person must be considered to be a civilian. “


Hamas is a TERROR group not an Army hence there are no civilans

 

[ll74]

you havent

What is a civilian in the Geneva Convention?


“Civilian” means, in an international armed conflict, any person who does not belong to the armed forces and does not take part in a “levée en masse”. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian or not, that person must be considered to be a civilian. “


Hamas is a TERROR group not an Army hence there are no civilans

Yes, I get that you believe all Palestinians to be terrorists. Sorry for your eternal confusion. Probably review your bigotry for answers.

 

[ll74]

That is unrealistic.

To make all efforts to avoid civilian casualties? No... it's not

But it does help to consider them people.

 

[censurat]

Yes, I get that you believe all Palestinians to be terrorists. Sorry for your eternal confusion. Probably review your bigotry for answers.

There are no civilians in Gaza

and yes, they are all terrorists and should be killed