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[Rightguide]

I regret that my reply does not fit into your concise little world view.

You seem to want to absolve Israel from any and all responsibility in their genocidal campaign against the people of Gaza, and I cannot accept that the basis for any and all Israeli wrongdoing.

At least you've come to admit that Hamas is "the people."

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nice,

so you think the goal to annihilate all Jews is acceptable as it is unlikely that HAMAS can achieve that. And the point that Arabs tried already since the 1920 to kill the Jews is also not important.

Would the goal of HAMAS be important if thy get a state, rule it and build up an army?

And, from your point of view, Israel has to accept that Jewish people are killed, raped and tortured because HAMA killed, raped and tortured only a minority?

Is that an overall principle from your point of view that people have to accept that some of them are killed, raped and tortured as long as you think it is not possible to kill, rape and torture all?

Would that mean for example that from your point of view the USA has to accept that North Korea annihilates New York with a nuke as North Korea cannot annihilate whole of USA?

There is no goal to annihilate all the Jews. You're going right back to the original lie. The goal, even as stated is to reuinite their lands and yes that would likely end badly for Israel. They are incapable of accomplishing said goal so yes it becomes unimportant to rational people. The Arabs were doing such a bad job of killing Jews in the area that tthey were fleeing from Europe TO to the Middle East. You know the place where people were actually doing a pretty decent job of accomplishing said goal.

No, their goal would still not be in important if they got a state and built up some hypothetical army. If we follow your logic the entire Middle East has had that goal for a century and even if we just count from the formation of Israel as an official state how many genuine attempts have been made?

Yes it is an overal principle from my and most people's point of view that you have to accept some people are killed, raped and tortured. That's just life.

The North Korea nuke issue is stupid. Why not tell me about how we would have to accept it if the nukes we dropped on Japan wakened the Old Ones who ravaged the West Coast for decades. Lets stick to things at least somehwhat realistic.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is no Confederacy, but white supremacists keep the dream alive of the South rising again and putting African Americans back in their place as second-class citizens. The same is true of Palestinian Arabs. For centuries the Arabs held the whip hand over Jews in the Middle East. The founding of Israel in 1948 shattered the myth of Arab supremacy. There won’t be peace until the Palestinian Arabs accept that Israel isn’t “theirs” and Jews in the Middle East are never going back to being “happy darkies” ruled by their Arab masters.

The Confederacy and the Caliphate are not remotely comparable things. The founding of Israel in the Middle East didn't shatter the myth of Arab Supremacy. It proved that the West only understands violence for communication. More recently mostly but not exclusively to Trump we have proven our word is absolute shit and nobody should ever trust us.

 

[censurat]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795877968968905209

 

[RobDownSouth]

Oh look. A deflection attempt from a new user!

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795877968968905209

Did you forget your snaily password again or is it still 123456?

 

[Rightguide]

Oh look. A deflection attempt from a new user!

Did you forget your snaily password again or is it still 123456?

Neither of the two above give a shit about those kids and who killed them. They weren't Jews and Trump wasn't involved.

 

[ll74]

Neither of the two above give a shit about those kids and who killed them. They weren't Jews and Trump wasn't involved.

I've long been a proponent of protecting civilians and enforcing the Geneva convention, regardless of the side doing it.

Stfu.

 

[Rightguide]

I've long been a proponent of protecting civilians and enforcing the Geneva convention, regardless of the side doing it.

Stfu.

So are those Muslim killers signatories?

 

[ll74]

So are those Muslim killers signatories?

My position is clear. I don't give a shit whether people signed it or not.

 

[Rightguide]

My position is clear. I don't give a shit whether people signed it or not.

Hahahaha. So you don't care if it's even applicable or accepted? You just wanted to throw that out?

 

[ll74]

Hahahaha. So you don't care if it's even applicable or accepted? You just wanted to throw that out?

It's always applicable. Civilians should always be protected.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Neither of the two above give a shit about those kids and who killed them. They weren't Jews and Trump wasn't involved.

My tax dollars go to fund American bombs that feckless Israeli pilots drop indiscriminately on Gazan civilians.
Ergo, I got a dog in this fight (Noor's West Bank terrorist relations notwithstanding).

Also, Pam Geller isn't the truthiest person in the world.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Egypt formally denied the Israeli propaganda ministry's latest charge that "50 tunnels were found between Rafah and Egypt". The Egyptians said that was pure fiction.

Gettin' harder 'n harder to drop bombs on civilians without consequence.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

There is no goal to annihilate all the Jews. You're going right back to the original lie. The goal, even as stated is to reuinite their lands and yes that would likely end badly for Israel. They are incapable of accomplishing said goal so yes it becomes unimportant to rational people. The Arabs were doing such a bad job of killing Jews in the area that tthey were fleeing from Europe TO to the Middle East. You know the place where people were actually doing a pretty decent job of accomplishing said goal.

No, their goal would still not be in important if they got a state and built up some hypothetical army. If we follow your logic the entire Middle East has had that goal for a century and even if we just count from the formation of Israel as an official state how many genuine attempts have been made?

Yes it is an overal principle from my and most people's point of view that you have to accept some people are killed, raped and tortured. That's just life.

The North Korea nuke issue is stupid. Why not tell me about how we would have to accept it if the nukes we dropped on Japan wakened the Old Ones who ravaged the West Coast for decades. Lets stick to things at least somehwhat realistic.

You change my message.

I didi not write that HAMAS wants to kill all Jews. I wrote that they want to kill all Jews in the Near East. And that is stated in their offical documents.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You change my message.

I didi not writ that HAMAS wants to kill all Jews. I wrote that they want to kill all Jews in the Near East. And that is stated in their offical documents.

I'm not gonna go back and relook at your exact wording. The fact that they lack the means to make good on that means its not something we need to be concerned about right now. Meanwhile the Israelis, the Likkuds and Bibi specifically are doing a pretty good job of trying.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

@Sean Renaud

I see.... so the attittude to perform a Nazi-style massacre on Jews - HAMAS acted exactly like the Dirlewanger brigade in WW2 - is nothing what disturbs you? Why does that not disturb you?

Because a figure of about 1.500 killed Jews do not bother you?
Because "only" Jews were killed?
Obviously killing Arabs disturbs you, killing Jews not. Are Arabs better humans or what is the reason?

 

[Sean Renaud]

@Sean Renaud

I see.... so the attittude to perform a Nazi-style massacre on Jews - HAMAS acted exactly like the Dirlewanger brigade in WW2 - is nothing what disturbs you? Why does that not disturb you?

Because a figure of about 1.500 killed Jews do not bother you?
Because "only" Jews were killed?
Obviously killing Arabs disturbs you, killing Jews not. Are Arabs better humans or what is the reason?

They are NOTHING like the Dirlwanger Brigade. They are not the ones with the power. That is the only part of this conversation that is important. IF a six year old tells you he's going to kill your entire family and a twenty year old jock runs out and kicks every six year old on the block then brags about it you have a problem. And its not the six year old.

Killing people bothers me. The NUMBERS here are so assymetrical that you cannot in good faith claim they are equal actions. You keep bringing up Jews which shows how deeply dishonest you are. I have gone to pains that in the modern world shouldn't even be necessary. Israel=/=Jews. Hell Bibi and the Likkud aren't really all or even most of Israel but I have to accept that Trump's actions were in my name and Biden's undying support of a genocide will probably be one of the biggest things he's remembered for when the history books are written. That's on me too.

The idea that Arabs are people is the problem you're having not a "better or worse" there is an entire thread on how little anybody, myself included, give a shit about Muslims in Muslim countries slaughtering other Muslims. It something I Wish wasn't happening but I'm much more concerned with the attacks on our college students than whatever nonsense is happening in a country I'm not funding.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

@Sean Renaud

Learn a bit history. Learn about the warfare that Dirlewanger performed. He and his criminals did exactly the same. Burning villages, killing old, young, raping children and women.

Your answer on that is that HAMAS has not the power. What is that for a nonsense? A crime is no crime because the actor is not member of a state or bureaucracy?

Do you want to say that a military weaker party is allowed to rape and kill children? If that is what you want to say then the Nazi were entitled to their crimes as the Axis powers very vastly inferior to the Allies.

 

[butters]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795877968968905209

so start a thread about it and discuss it with those who choose to read and interact with it

@Sean Renaud

I see.... so the attittude to perform a Nazi-style massacre on Jews - HAMAS acted exactly like the Dirlewanger brigade in WW2 - is nothing what disturbs you? Why does that not disturb you?

Because a figure of about 1.500 killed Jews do not bother you?
Because "only" Jews were killed?
Obviously killing Arabs disturbs you, killing Jews not. Are Arabs better humans or what is the reason?

i know this wasn't addressed to me, but this is an open forum for opinions.
the massacre of Oct.7th bothers EVERYONE with a shred of humanity... innocents tortured, killed, maimed, kidnapped, traumatized. No-one can say Israel ought not to have some response to that

but when the numbers of Palestinian civilians reaches beyond the numbers of Oct.7th, especially when it is now in the 30+thousand mark, how can Israelis not be bothered by those figures? in the eyes of at least half of the world, it's literally 'overkill' and unsanctionable

 

[Sean Renaud]

@Sean Renaud

Learn a bit history. Learn about the warfare that Dirlewanger performed. He and his criminals did exactly the same. Burning villages, killing old, young, raping children and women.

Your answer on that is that HAMAS has not the power. What is that for a nonsense? A crime is no crime because the actor is not member of a state or bureaucracy?

Do you want to say that a military weaker party is allowed to rape and kill children? If that is what you want to say then the Nazi were entitled to their crimes as the Axis powers very vastly inferior to the Allies.

Were Dirlwinger with the official government of the country doing the attacks? Cus I already pointed this out. No amount of learning about some specific brigade changes the facts here.

Yes, HAMAS nto having the power is the important detail here. A crime is entirely a matter of opinion for starters but that's not the actual point. When you are dealing with two criminals you go for the person with the more dangerous and greater crime FIRST.

HAMAS isn't even a military power so once again it would help if you were honest. I'm not in the mood to go digging through every bit of WW2 history of what the Nazis may or may not have been doing at any given moment since its really not the same thing at all. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Lazaran]

the massacre of Oct.7th bothers EVERYONE with a shred of humanity...

Unfortunately, that ^ obviously leaves a fuckton of people out…



It isn’t hyperbole to submit that 1-2 BILLION "people" (maybe / probably a fuckton more) didn’t even bat an eye…



And MANY celebrated and held anti-Israel rallies IMMEDIATELY after the 10/7 attack…



That ^ is why I have steeled myself and hardened my heart to the plight of Palestinians, and Muslims in general - and I hate them for making me do that.

 

[KeithD]

It isn’t hyperbole to submit that 1-2 BILLION "people" (maybe / probably a fuckton more) didn’t even bat an eye…

Yes it is. You have no evidence of that.

 

[Lazaran]

Yes it is. You have no evidence of that.

I’m including people that did far worse than not bat an eye…

Like the millions of anti-Semites in America on the right (Jews will not replace us) AND left (Death to Israel).

 

[silky52]

so start a thread about it and discuss it with those who choose to read and interact with it

i know this wasn't addressed to me, but this is an open forum for opinions.
the massacre of Oct.7th bothers EVERYONE with a shred of humanity... innocents tortured, killed, maimed, kidnapped, traumatized. No-one can say Israel ought not to have some response to that

but when the numbers of Palestinian civilians reaches beyond the numbers of Oct.7th, especially when it is now in the 30+thousand mark, how can Israelis not be bothered by those figures? in the eyes of at least half of the world, it's literally 'overkill' and unsanctionable

You don't have to sanction anything. Other countries do what they have to do!!
The numbers that you refer to are numbers brought by the perpetrators! No one knows the exact numbers, and if you look at the videos that are sent out about these so called numbers, you will see that there are children of around 12 and under, fighting together with older Hamas Arabs.

Of course those figures bother people that's what they are meant to do. It's propaganda, which Hamas are very good at. The whole world is in an uproar and anti-semitism has reared it's ugly head from beneath the surface of people's consciousness, which is where it has been these past years. Political correctness does not take Jews into consideration at all, it just wants rid of them!