Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[jaF0]

Hope did a tuxedo like no other I've ever seen.

 

[KeithD]

if trump wasn't having 'relations' with hope hicks, i'd be deeply surprised

I've always assumed so, as well.

 

[Rightguide]

if trump wasn't having 'relations' with hope hicks, i'd be deeply surprised

You're always caught unaware by reality.

 

[Rightguide]

I've always assumed so, as well.

On what evidence?

 

[butters]

https://apnews.com/article/hush-mon...timony-trump-fe6995afbc96650b67f46d813ab05f06

NEW YORK (AP) — Jurors in the hush money trial of Donald Trump heard a recording Thursday of him discussing with his then-lawyer and personal fixer a plan to purchase the silence of a Playboy model who has said she had an affair with the former president.

A visibly irritated Trump leaned forward at the defense table, and jurors appeared riveted as prosecutors played the September 2016 recording that attorney Michael Cohen secretly made of himself briefing his celebrity client on a plan to buy Karen McDougal’s story of an extramarital relationship.

 

[jomar]

Prove he's a criminal. Show us the evidence, not the partisan bullshit.

We’ll see what this trial outcome will be in due time. As for his being a criminal he’s been convicted as a sex abuser (a legal distinction without real world meaning, folks know he raped her), and found guilty of racial discrimination back in his N.Y. slumlord days. Having said that, he is good at being slippery

 

[jaF0]

Point of order. He has not been convicted of anything. That's only in criminal court. He has been found responsible in civil court.

 

[jaF0]

is it just me, or does Hope Hicks remind you a whole lot of Karen McDougal?

I'm thinking more Kate. (Yeah, that Kate.)

There are some incredible pictures out there.

Too bad she's forever tainted by the orange stain for even accepting the job to begin with.

 

[adrina]

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Just came in to drop off this reminder.

 

[SmokingFap]

Hope Hicks is gorgeous, but Jesus, she's not the sharpest cheddar in the cheese case...

 

[dmallord]

All we've seen is a bunch of salacious testimony from 8 years ago that has not identified a single crime or a single victim. There has been no evidence brought forth proving Trump personally engaged in forging his company records or personally ordered an employee to do so, which is required by the law in question in order to convict Trump of a misdemeanor. Nor does Bragg have any authority to prosecute a federal election statute, especially a statute the DOJ passed on prosecuting for a lack of evidence.

You speak prematurely. The DA most surely will attempt to link Trump.

The case has more witnesses to come. Presumably, the DA is adding layers of evidence that will prove beyond a doubt that the intent of efforts to obfuscate the transactions between the parties was to conceal the alleged affair in the furtherance of another crime. The alleged Trump reimbursement to Cohen and the documented pieces all add up to having been done purposefully to affect the outcome of a presidential election. That's the NY statute the case is based upon.

I'm enjoying watching the events take place even though there are no cameras in the courtroom. We are getting bits of it in almost real-time. However, I would rather have it televised like the Georgia cases are. Damn shame the Federal Justice system doesn't allow televised cases elsewhere. If we can watch Congress live, why not the justice system?

 

[Lazaran]

You speak prematurely. The DA most surely will attempt to link Trump.

The case has more witnesses to come. Presumably, the DA is adding layers of evidence that will prove beyond a doubt that the intent of efforts to obfuscate the transactions between the parties was to conceal the alleged affair in the furtherance of another crime. The alleged Trump reimbursement to Cohen and the documented pieces all add up to having been done purposefully to affect the outcome of a presidential election. That's the NY statute the case is based upon.

I'm enjoying watching the events take place even though there are no cameras in the courtroom. We are getting bits of it in almost real-time. However, I would rather have it televised like the Georgia cases are. Damn shame the Federal Justice system doesn't allow televised cases elsewhere. If we can watch Congress live, why not the justice system?

The prosecution is connecting ALL the dots, and, from what I’ve heard / read, the jury is being very attentive to the facts / evidence that the prosecution is laying out.

 

[dmallord]

Name the NY Law in question. Name the victim. Bragg has no authority to prosecute a federal election statute. You don't get it. The purpose of this trial is to keep Trump off the campaign trail. The judge is a left-wing political hack. The primary witness is an adjudicated perjurer. The prosecutor is a Trump-hating Marxist just like Trump-hating AG James and DA Willis. NYC is 95% Democratic.

The DA named those in the legal charges. You read them, Rightglide?

NY and the AG are doing a fine job of conning the citizens of NY if there is no valid case. Trump has three days a week to campaign when he isn't choosing to go golfing instead. There is only so much hot air and lies that even a MAGA crowd can take. Biden has a government to run so he isn't on the campaign trail much more than that either. It's balance time - I believe.

In your view, I guess we are getting a taste of what Trump plans, as he announced that this is the type of thing he will be doing in his new legal system for those who prosecuted him in the ongoing cases. [Well, if he gets re-elected. Hopefully, that doesn't happen.]

 

[dmallord]

So far we've heard a lot about how the publisher, in cahoots with Michael Cohen, made deals to not publish derogatory stories concerning Trump.

Not a crime. Doesn't involve Trump.

Where's the evidence TRUMP broke the law?

Please be patient. The case is running ahead of schedule, so that's good news. I'm sure further evidence is on the way. The DA is being methodical, as you would if you were building such a case.

 

[dmallord]

He ought to read this from his prime source CNN

CNN Panel Stuns Viewers, Shreds Alvin Bragg’s Case against Trump – WATCH​

• By: Jason Walsh
• May 3, 2024

On Thursday, a panel of CNN analysts agreed that the Manhattan case against Trump is all but doomed due to the lack of evidence.
David Chalian told his colleagues, “I’ve seen precious little evidence presented yet that Trump wasn’t floating above.”

“I mean, I’ve seen very little evidence of Trump’s direct involvement in getting this accomplished. Correct me if I’m wrong.”
“No, you’re right. A lot of that’s going to come from Michael Cohen,” CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig said, the Daily Caller reports.

“But also there was a few tidbits in David Pecker’s testimony, right, that there were direct communications, but it’s a great point, David,’ he said.

“There hasn’t been much evidence yet directly of Donald Trump’s involvement and knowledge.”

More here: https://www.dailyfetched.com/cnn-panel-stuns-viewers-shreds-alvin-braggs-case-against-trump/

This is stunning, and it shreds the case?

It just says that, so far, the evidence doesn't include Trump's involvement. The case is early in its development.

This is just nothing news announcement by Walsh. Wait and watch the rest of the case to see the outcome.

 

[jaF0]

Damn shame the Federal Justice system doesn't allow televised cases elsewhere. If we can watch Congress live, why not the justice system?

It isn't the Justice system. It's rules set by the Judiciary itself.

 

[KeithD]

It isn't the Justice system. It's rules set by the Judiciary itself.

At least in this case it's New York State law.

 

[Rightguide]

We’ll see what this trial outcome will be in due time. As for his being a criminal he’s been convicted as a sex abuser (a legal distinction without real world meaning, folks know he raped her), and found guilty of racial discrimination back in his N.Y. slumlord days. Having said that, he is good at being slippery

The jury acquitted him specifically of rape.

You lie and when you do you compromise your manhood:

Donald Trump and his company, Trump Management, were sued by the Department of Justice in 1973 for alleged racial discrimination against African-American renters. The lawsuit ended in a settlement without an admission of guilt from Trump Management, meaning there was no legal decision about whether or not the company engaged in discriminatory practices123. It’s important to note that a settlement is not an admission of guilt, and therefore, Donald Trump was not found guilty of racial discrimination in this case. If you’re interested in more detailed information or historical context, I recommend checking out reputable historical databases or legal archives.

Learn more​

1news.yahoo.com

 

[jomar]

The jury acquitted him specifically of rape.

You lie and when you do you compromise your manhood:

lol, I got the sentence in parentheses from an article by an attorney iirc. Seems like I also recall that rape couldn’t be specifically charged because she couldn’t tell if was his tiny fingers or his wiener in her.

Donald Trump and his company, Trump Management, were sued by the Department of Justice in 1973 for alleged racial discrimination against African-American renters. The lawsuit ended in a settlement without an admission of guilt from Trump Management, meaning there was no legal decision about whether or not the company engaged in discriminatory practices123. It’s important to note that a settlement is not an admission of guilt, and therefore, Donald Trump was not found guilty of racial discrimination in this case.

Technically correct, but from a real world standpoint you only pay huge fines if you’re breaking the law, and he was. Settling was DOJs way to get the trumps to comply without having the trumps tying up DOJ resources in court for years so they could move on to other things. But I will say that in trumpworld that kind of settlement is nothing short of him claiming complete exoneration of any wrongdoing whatsoever.

If you’re interested in more detailed information or historical context, I recommend checking out reputable historical databases or legal archives.

Learn more​

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Thanks but trump deflecting to an everybody was doing it and declaring his innocence is simply a trumpian dodge

 

[dmallord]

The jury acquitted him specifically of rape.

You lie and when you do you compromise your manhood:

Donald Trump and his company, Trump Management, were sued by the Department of Justice in 1973 for alleged racial discrimination against African-American renters. The lawsuit ended in a settlement without an admission of guilt from Trump Management, meaning there was no legal decision about whether or not the company engaged in discriminatory practices123. It’s important to note that a settlement is not an admission of guilt, and therefore, Donald Trump was not found guilty of racial discrimination in this case. If you’re interested in more detailed information or historical context, I recommend checking out reputable historical databases or legal archives.

Learn more​

1news.yahoo.com

Trump was guilty of sexual assault. Not enough evidence or testimony to support the more serious charge of rape.

He had an easy way out in that Trump Management settlement; he offered something in exchange for getting off the hook. When your tenant manager tells you he has an application from a Black person, and you tell the manager to file it in a bottom drawer and forget about it, you have demonstrated you committed racial discrimination. That's what Trump told his manager to do.

Trump can hide behind your so-called 'no legal decision' all he wants—he is guilty in the public eye. That was the manager's firsthand account, so that sounds reputable.

 

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[jaF0]

^^ Another poster who has been dumbed down to pictograms only and can't use words any more?

 

[Rotadom]

 

[jaF0]

^^ Another poster who has been dumbed down to pictograms only and can't use words any more?

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