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[ll74]

Thoughts n prayers

Where are you when hamas fires rockets into Israel or Hezzbolah fires rockets

What does that even mean? Do you believe that I don't condemn Hamas killing or injuring civilians?

I've said before and I'll say again - all civilians must be provided for and protected.

Even the ones that you're bigoted against.

 

[snailspace]

History is full of war state against state nation against nation.Why is a 2 state solution in this case?A solution to anything

Excellent question, one I have always asked and yet to get an answer

Thevso called two State solution means nothing

Who.do you even negotiate with, the PLO is hated and represents no one and Hamas is a designated terror organization

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

You lot arguing the toss over definitions as if you are experts of any kind.

15 judges at the ICJ voted together (including the American judge, presiding) to investigate Israel for genocide.

Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur, published her report today and it is entirely damning.

This is the title:

Anatomy of a Genocide - Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese (A/HRC/55/73) (Advance unedited version)​

She’s an expert on these matters investigating it.

If she says it’s a genocide, she’s going to be a damn sight closer to the truth than any of you.

https://reliefweb.int/attachments/f78b0a28-c3af-44ed-a010-9ba076814dc6/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf

Summary
After five months of military operations, Israel has destroyed Gaza. Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 13,000 children. Over 12,000 are presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas have been destroyed. Eighty percent of the whole population has been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families have lost loved ones or have been wiped out.

Manycould not bury and mourn their relatives, forced instead to leave their bodies decomposing in homes, in the street or under the rubble. Thousands have been detained and systematically subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment. The incalculable collective trauma will be experienced for generations to come.

By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza,this report concludes that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met. One of the key findings is that Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people.

Try justifying the above as “defence” in court and I’ll show you hell freezing over.

Obscene the lengths people are going to, to try and justify this.

Israel’s approach to this has never been defence.

Albanese’s report confirms this.

EDIT: I mean, FFS people. This section on direct quotes relating to genocidal intent:

50. In the latest Gaza assault, direct evidence of genocidal intent is uniquely present.
Vitriolic genocidal rhetoric has painted the whole population as the enemy to be eliminated
and forcibly displaced.150 High-ranking Israeli officials with command authority have issued
harrowing public statements evincing genocidal intent, including as follows:

(a) President Isaac Herzog stated that “an entire nation out there…is responsible”
for the 7 October attack, and that Israel would “break their backbone”;151

(b) Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu referred to Palestinians as “Amalek”152
and “monsters”.153 The Amalek reference is to a biblical passage in which God commands
Saul “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not;
but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass”.154

(c) Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant referred to Palestinians as “human
animals”,155 and announced “full offense” on Gaza, having “released all the restraints”, and
that “Gaza will never return to what it was”;156

(d) IDF Spokesperson Daniel Hagari stated that focus should be on causing
“maximum damage”, demonstrating a strategy of disproportionate and indiscriminate
violence;157

(e) Minister of Agriculture Avi Dichter referred to Israel’s action as “the Gaza
Nakba”;158

(f) Minister of Heritage Amihai Eliyahu called for striking Gaza with “nuclear
bombs”;159

(g) Likud MK Revital Gottlieb wrote on her social media: “Bring down buildings!!
Bomb without distinction!!…Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time, there is no room for
mercy!”.160

51. Such calls for annihilatory violence directed at troops on duty,161 constitute strong
evidence of direct and public incitement to commit genocide.162 Decades of discourse
dehumanizing Palestinians have prepared the groundwork for such incitements.163

52. Since 7 October, the proliferation of statements inciting genocide have also involved
several sectors of Israeli society, religious leaders,164 journalists,165 artists,166 and various
professionals (including doctors167 and political commentators168).

53. There is cogent evidence that these statements have been internalized and acted upon
by troops on the ground.169 Israeli soldiers have, including on social media channels run by
the Israeli military,170 referred to Palestinians as “terrorists”, “roaches”, “rats”,171

 

[ll74]

History is full of war state against state nation against nation.Why is a 2 state solution in this case?A solution to anything

Because it gives a self guaranteed self governed territory to both parties.

At the moment, one party has been cut off from the rest of the world, for the most part. Their government is a dictatorship (elected almost two decades ago) and their neighbor is literally taking over land via annex without repercussions

 

[snailspace]

Who has been cut off

 

[ll74]

Who has been cut off

Gaza has, for decades

 

[snailspace]

They get more aid from the world per capita than any other entity

 

[snailspace]

Gaza has, for decades

By israel good

by egypt why

 

[ll74]

They get more aid from the world per capita than any other entity

Thanks for demonstrating that you don't know what "cut off" means.

They can't leave the country. The "aid" they get is regulated by foreign countries.

Jfc, you're an idiot

 

[RobDownSouth]

They get more aid from the world per capita than any other entity

Ummm...no.
Up until 3 weeks ago Israel had a naval blockade of Gaza until America said knock it off.
Concrete has been a "prohibited substance" in Gaza since 2008....and you wonder why they built tunnels?
Medical relief supplies disappear at Israeli ports of entry.

 

[Rightguide]

You would prefer to level Gaza
Stfu

I would prefer to kill every terrorist and terrorist sympathizer.

 

[ll74]

I would prefer to kill every terrorist and terrorist sympathizer.

And since you believe them all to be sympathizers..... ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

Quit pretending and just admit it

 

[snailspace]

Ummm...no.
Up until 3 weeks ago Israel had a naval blockade of Gaza until America said knock it off.
Concrete has been a "prohibited substance" in Gaza since 2008....and you wonder why they built tunnels?
Medical relief supplies disappear at Israeli ports of entry.

If concrete is a prohibited substance how do they build all those tunnels

 

[snailspace]

Ummm...no.
Up until 3 weeks ago Israel had a naval blockade of Gaza until America said knock it off.
Concrete has been a "prohibited substance" in Gaza since 2008....and you wonder why they built tunnels?
Medical relief supplies disappear at Israeli ports of entry.

None of this is true but keep on keeping on

 

[snailspace]

Ummm...no.
Up until 3 weeks ago Israel had a naval blockade of Gaza until America said knock it off.
Concrete has been a "prohibited substance" in Gaza since 2008....and you wonder why they built tunnels?
Medical relief supplies disappear at Israeli ports of entry.

They have more terrorist hideouts.errrr I mean hospitals then all of Baltimore, you mean to tell me that all those hospitals have no medicine?Shut the fuck up with your bullshit

 

[ll74]

None of this is true but keep on keeping on

The blockade of Gaza has been in effect since 2007.

 

[ll74]

They have more terrorist hideouts.errrr I mean hospitals then all of Baltimore, you mean to tell me that all those hospitals have no medicine?Shut the fuck up with your bullshit

Animals in the zoo get aid as well.

Fucking idiot

 

[snailspace]

The blockade of Gaza has been in effect since 2007.

5 minutes after Israel left Gaza

The terrorists attacked

Kill em.all

 

[ll74]

5 minutes after Israel left Gaza

The terrorists attacked

Kill em.all

As I said Quit pretending like you're a serious person with serious views here.
.you want the annihilation of Palestinians.

 

[Lazaran]

Mr. Apple, meet Ms. Orange.

The "Shifa Hospital Mass Rape" has been proven to be fabricated. I don't believe I ever posted that particular mass rape story, but I concede THAT one is a fabrication. We good?

Israeli Ethnic Cleaning Forces now prefer their Gazan "cum dumpsters" to be healthy and good for multiple screw sessions/multiple partners.

This is a completely different mass rape accusation against the Israeli Ethnic Cleansers.


Here's the link to the tweet reference above.

Also in that article, Israeli deathsquad commanders are shocked....SHOCKED I tell you...that the American government no longer believes the Israeli claim that "Errybody KNOWS Hamas steals humanitarian aid!" (which was, presumably, why Israeli forces routinely confiscated food bound for refugee camps until the Muricans put the kibosh on that three weeks ago).

In other Israeli news today:

'Trump hates Bibi': Ex-ambassador says there is no pro-Israel US candidate​

Guess the world ain't big enough for two wannabee-dictators, eh?

The Biden administration must stop Iran​

This is actually a well-written analysis on Iran's insistence on fomenting continual low-key conflicts via proxies in the Middle East, mainly towards Israel. The long term goal is getting the United States out of the region so that Iran can dominate the Middle East. Israeli victimhood is minimized in this editorial. It does detail Iran arming and funding proxy "rebel factions".

and finally, Israel admits the obvious...

Dehumanizing Palestinians has hurt Israel​

Captain Obvious nods his head approvingly. "Subhuman Gazans" plays well domestically in Israel, as well as with the "Israel Uber Alles" true believers around the world, but amongst general foreign populations, not so well. See also: Axis of Evil.

Yeah, what I was “Not sayin', just sayin'”, was that there is probably no other population on earth with more of a reason / an agenda to spread manufactured propaganda than the Palestinians. (The Russians and the Chinese are very close second.)



Also:

I don’t take accusation in a tweet to be definitive…



And, no, I don’t accept UN reports, or the confronting of Israel with those reports by a U.S. official, as definitive, due to the high likelihood of the report containing fabricated numbers or events.



The Hamas animal’s, etc’s, war strategy has always been equal parts terror and propaganda. - I am extremely skeptical of anything that comes from the Palestinian side under the circumstances.. - I have standard skepticism of anything coming from the Israeli side.



Side note:

The Hamas animals have achieved their objective of provoking a "disproportionate" response from Israel, and continue to call for a worldwide Jihad against Israel, etc. - In the story about the retraction of the Al Shifa rape and atrocities claims, the author basically says the Israelis, etc, have done enough to warrant a worldwide Jihad even without the rape and atrocities story being true.



Finally:

Well intentioned individuals, who parrot the Hamas animal’s talking points, or share likely fabricated reports (propaganda), are useful tools for the terrorists, imho.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeah, what I was “Not sayin', just sayin'”, was that there is probably no other population on earth with more of a reason / an agenda to spread manufactured propaganda than the Palestinians. (The Russians and the Chinese are very close second.)



Also:

I don’t take accusation in a tweet to be definitive…



And, no, I don’t accept UN reports, or the confronting of Israel with those reports by a U.S. official, as definitive, due to the high likelihood of the report containing fabricated numbers or events.



The Hamas animal’s, etc’s, war strategy has always been equal parts terror and propaganda. - I am extremely skeptical of anything that comes from the Palestinian side under the circumstances.. - I have standard skepticism of anything coming from the Israeli side.



Side note:

The Hamas animals have achieved their objective of provoking a "disproportionate" response from Israel, and continue to call for a world wide Jihad against Israel, etc. - In the story about the retraction of the Al Shifa rape and atrocities claims, the author basically says the Israelis, etc, have done enough to warrant a worldwide Jihad even without the rape and atrocities story being true.



Finally:

Well intentioned individuals, who parrot the Hamas animal’s talking points, or share likely fabricated reports (propaganda), are useful tools for the terrorists, imho.



JFC

SAD!!!

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Lazaran]

Thanks for sharing.

Same to you…

and…np.

 

[RobDownSouth]

They have more terrorist hideouts.errrr I mean hospitals then all of Baltimore, you mean to tell me that all those hospitals have no medicine?Shut the fuck up with your bullshit

There is one functioning hospital left in Gaza (34 others bombed due to Israeli Ethnic Cleansing)
Israeli "Intelligence" got some hot fresh intel (*wink *wink *nudge) late Saturday that their might be a Hamas operative in the building.
So elite Israeli Kommandos staged a surprise midnight raid on the only functioning hospital. They first rounded up all the doctors, zip-tied their hands behind their backs, put sacks over their faces and led them outside the facility.

Six hours later, the doctors were released with stern warnings not to treat Hamas.

 

[vietato]

A terrorist?

 

[Lazaran]

There is one functioning hospital left in Gaza (34 others bombed due to Israeli Ethnic Cleansing)
Israeli "Intelligence" got some hot fresh intel (*wink *wink *nudge) late Saturday that their might be a Hamas operative in the building.
So elite Israeli Kommandos staged a surprise midnight raid on the only functioning hospital. They first rounded up all the doctors, zip-tied their hands behind their backs, put sacks over their faces and led them outside the facility.

Six hours later, the doctors were released with stern warnings not to treat Hamas.

Not sayin', just sayin'…

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-792202

From the article:

Former hostage Judith Raanan said in an interview with the US-based network NewsNation on Wednesday that hospital staff cheered as Hamas brought them in.



It has been clearly established that hospital staff in Gaza are absolutely affiliated with Hamas, and thus, are combatants (reluctant or otherwise). - They are basically medics in the Hamas terror army.

The hardships and inconveniences they are experiencing come with the territory.