Schumer and the 2 state solution ELI5

[Rightguide]

I told you they are all fools. They are Hamas trolls! Why engage with them?

Some deserve to be ridiculed. Some deserve to be exposed. The redemption of an antagonist is a worthy goal but through knowledge one redeems himself. So we labor to inform.

 

[Rightguide]

Why do you lie, every single time you post on Israel/Gaza?

https://aje.io/rvubaw?update=2790222

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A ceasefire at this point is unrealistic.

 

[ll74]

A ceasefire at this point is unrealistic.

The call continues to be for a temporary ceasefire. The last time a ceasefire took place, several hostages were released.

Unrealistic why?

 

[HisArpy]

Are you high? Brain dead? Or a troll? Or all of the above?

Go and use the forum search function. I’ve never spoken about the J6 prisoners. Not once, never. Go and check.

I don’t need to make a comparison because I don't care about the J6 idiots. Never mentioned them in relation to Gaza, never will again after this.

You’re going on ignore. Please stop responding to me

^ still missing the point.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

^ still missing the point.

I haven’t missed any point. I’m not, nor have ever been talking about, January 6th.

If you want to go and talk about them, go do it on another thread. I have no interest in responding further to you.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

A ceasefire at this point is unrealistic.

That much we agree on, but it’s not for lack of trying from this side of the debate.

The other side wants to annihilate the Palestinians, seemingly. I have read so many genocidal posts from pro-Israelis on this forum and this thread it’s unreal.

Ceasefire now, stop the genocide, free all political hostages.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

That much we agree on, but it’s not for lack of trying from this side of the debate.

The other side wants to annihilate the Palestinians, seemingly. I have read so many genocidal posts from pro-Israelis on this forum and this thread it’s unreal.

Ceasefire now, stop the genocide, free all political hostages.

You may object to Israel holding prisoners after convicting them of crimes, but equating them with the innocent people taken hostage by Hamas on October 7th is not helping the Palestinian cause.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

You may object to Israel holding prisoners after convicting them of crimes, but equating them with the innocent people taken hostage by Hamas on October 7th is not helping the Palestinian cause.

Do you EVER not lie about Israel?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67600015

In a family home in Bethlehem, in the occupied West Bank, Yazen Alhasnat was sitting next to his mother rubbing sleep from his eyes.
The 17-year-old had been released from prison the night before, nearly five months after being arrested in a 4am Israeli military raid on the home.
Yazen had been held under "administrative detention" - a longstanding security policy, inherited from the British, that allows the Israeli state to imprison people indefinitely without charge, and without presenting any evidence against them.
"They have a secret file," Yazen said. "They don't tell you what's in it."
He was back at home because he was among the 180 Palestinian children and women released from prison by Israel in the recent exchange for hostages held by Hamas in Gaza.
But at the same time the Palestinian prisoners were being released, Israel was detaining people at its highest rate in years. In the weeks since 7 October, the number of people in administrative detention - already at a 30-year high of 1,300 - has shot up to more than 2,800.
When Yazen was released, his family was told not to publicly celebrate in any way or to talk to the media. The same instructions were given to the families of two other teenagers who spoke to the BBC about their experiences. But all three families said they wanted to highlight the issue of administrative detention.
Israel says that its use of the policy is compliant with international law and a necessary preventative measure to combat terrorism. Maurice Hirsch, a former director of military prosecutions for the West Bank, from 2013 to 2016, told the BBC that Israel was "not only meeting international law but far surpassing it", by allowing detainees to appeal and ensuring that their detentions were reviewed every six months.
But human rights groups say Israel's expansive use of the measure is an abuse of a security law not designed to be employed at such scale, and that detainees cannot effectively defend themselves, or appeal, because they have no access to the evidence against them.
"Under international law, administrative detention should be a rare exception," said Jessica Montell, the executive director of HaMoked, an Israeli human rights organisation that monitors detention of Palestinians.
"You are supposed to use it when there is a present danger and no other way to prevent that danger than detaining someone. But it is clear Israel is not using it that way. It is detaining hundreds, thousands of people, without charge, and using administrative detention to shield itself from scrutiny."

Thousands of Palestinians have been held without charge by Israel for decades. Some are literally children.

Do you deny this?

 

[icanhelp1]

That much we agree on, but it’s not for lack of trying from this side of the debate.

The other side wants to annihilate the Palestinians, seemingly. I have read so many genocidal posts from pro-Israelis on this forum and this thread it’s unreal.

Ceasefire now, stop the genocide, free all political hostages.

Makes you wonder why Russia and China vetoed the UN resolution?

 

[ll74]

Makes you wonder why Russia and China vetoed the UN resolution?

They explained why they vetoed it

 

[icanhelp1]

They explained why they vetoed it

Did it make sense to you?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Do you EVER not lie about Israel?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67600015



Thousands of Palestinians have been held without charge by Israel for decades. Some are literally children.

Do you deny this?

What does a call for a ceasefire in Gaza have to do with administrative detention in the West Bank? Extended administrative dentition may be wrong, but referring to those people as "hostages" only serves to erase the suffering of the real hostages taken on October 7th.

 

[ll74]

Did it make sense to you?

Do you read your own comments?

Makes you wonder why Russia and China vetoed the UN resolution?

 

[icanhelp1]

Do you read your own comments?

They pretended to care that the word demand was missing. We all know that Iran is an ally of both Russia and China and the language was submitted by a US envoy. This was a stick poked in Biden’s eye and nothing more. You’ll never convince me that Russia or China gave two shits about peace in the Middle East.

 

[ll74]

They pretended to care that the word demand was missing. We all know that Iran is an ally of both Russia and China and the language was submitted by a US envoy. This was a stick poked in Biden’s eye and nothing more. You’ll never convince me that Russia or China gave two shits about peace in the Middle East.

So the answer to your own question is that you don't believe anything either party says.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

What does a call for a ceasefire in Gaza have to do with administrative detention in the West Bank? Extended administrative dentition may be wrong, but referring to those people as "hostages" only serves to erase the suffering of the real hostages taken on October 7th.

Because Palestinian children in prisons don’t suffer. Got it.

Racists, the lot of you.

 

[icanhelp1]

So the answer to your own question is that you don't believe anything either party says.

Thanks for confirming.

Yes I disagree with both parties. I didn’t agree with Biden’s stance on a cease fire, calling for Israel not to start ground operations in Rafa where the Hamas leadership resides and I don’t agree that Russia is in any way concerned with peace in Gaza.

 

[ll74]

Yes I disagree with both parties. I didn’t agree with Biden’s stance on a cease fire, calling for Israel not to start ground operations in Rafa where the Hamas leadership resides and I don’t agree that Russia is in any way concerned with peace in Gaza.

I didn't say anything about disagreement.

 

[icanhelp1]

I didn't say anything about disagreement.

I don't "agree" or I don't "believe", why do I bother!

 

[ll74]

I don't "agree" or I don't "believe", why do I bother!

There is a difference.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Because Palestinian children in prisons don’t suffer. Got it.

Racists, the lot of you.

The ceasefire is about the hostilities in Gaza. Expanding it beyond the current fighting makes it harder to stop the killing.

 

[butters]

You may object to Israel holding prisoners after convicting them of crimes, but equating them with the innocent people taken hostage by Hamas on October 7th is not helping the Palestinian cause.

there are currently thousands of Palestinians, including the very young, being held without charges let alone convictions by Israel. i did post links to this a little while back but it's not just a matter of hardened, violent criminals being held.

it's also true that Hamas has demanded certain violent criminals be released in return for Israeli hostages, but as of now the numbers of people taken by Israel and held without charges (plus some awaiting trials on unjustifiable charges) far outnumbers those killed or taken in October. It is part of a policy (ramped up just after the october atrocity) to take as many as possible in order to have bartering leverage.

i'm sad that your post seems to deny the existence of these hostages, as has been reported worldwide.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

there are currently thousands of Palestinians, including the very young, being held without charges let alone convictions by Israel. i did post links to this a little while back but it's not just a matter of hardened, violent criminals being held.

it's also true that Hamas has demanded certain violent criminals be released in return for Israeli hostages, but as of now the numbers of people taken by Israel and held without charges (plus some awaiting trials on unjustifiable charges) far outnumbers those killed or taken in October. It is part of a policy (ramped up just after the october atrocity) to take as many as possible in order to have bartering leverage.

i'm sad that your post seems to deny the existence of these hostages, as has been reported worldwide.

No I want a ceasefire to address the ongoing hostilities, not be a grab-bag that tries to fix everything.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

No I want a ceasefire to address the ongoing hostilities, not be a grab-bag that tries to fix everything.

The current conflict is a symptom of the problems. You don’t want it fixed, because as far as you’re concerned only the Israeli hostages matter, is my perception.

Do you think it’s right or acceptable for the Israeli settlers, supported by the government, to land grab in the West Bank to the tune of 8000 hectares, as reported yesterday?

This has been happening throughout the conflict and is part of the reason why there is so much resistance by the Palestinians. This has been happening for 75 years.

You sit there and claim victimhood on behalf of Israel but ignore the basic fact that Israel is the oppressive state over Palestine.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The current conflict is a symptom of the problems. You don’t want it fixed, because as far as you’re concerned only the Israeli hostages matter, is my perception.

Do you think it’s right or acceptable for the Israeli settlers, supported by the government, to land grab in the West Bank to the tune of 8000 hectares, as reported yesterday?

This has been happening throughout the conflict and is part of the reason why there is so much resistance by the Palestinians. This has been happening for 75 years.

You sit there and claim victimhood on behalf of Israel but ignore the basic fact that Israel is the oppressive state over Palestine.

Are rape, murder and kidnapping legitimate tools of political protest?