The future is dense, walkable cities.

[BrightShinyGirl]

I'm not the one trying to re-engineer society.

Actually a good amount of what I eat is raised here locally. Produce, eggs, meat, all can be purchased from local producers. Either at retail establishments, through farmer's markets, or even roadside stands. As well as we have our own garden and fruit trees.

How much of what you eat is produced locally? How much of what you listed is made in your neighborhood?

I honestly don't give a single fuck about what you do or how you want city life to be but it seems you have some vendetta against rural life. Funny how more city and suburban dwellers move into the rural than the other way around.

This thread is about building walkable cities.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Oh. So I need to make a profit so that it's taxed and you get your "fair share" of what I've earned.

Bad news, pixiegirl. No profit last year. This year was nil and next year ain't looking to good either

Now how will you get your free shit?

Are you the dumbest motherfucker on the board?

That's rhetorical.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I honestly don't give a single fuck about what you do or how you want city life to be but it seems you have some vendetta against rural life. Funny how more city and suburban dwellers move into the rural than the other way around.

I don’t have a “vendetta against rural life”. This thread isn’t about rural areas and nobody but you has said anything about rural areas.

Your bizarre paranoia is hilarious.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Few people who live in large metropolitan areas live within walking or bicycling distance of their jobs. Some interesting census data about Los Angeles County sheds some light on the subject. Unfortunately this source doesn’t provide data on distances traveled but as one who has spent decades living and working in LA County, Orange County, Riverside County and the Bay Area, I’m confident in my belief that well over 90% work at least 10 miles from their homes. For most, it’s a lot farther than that.

As of 2022, LA County has 4.7 million workers and 4.1 million of them (87%) commute to work. Among the commuters, 77% of them get to work by car, truck of van. Most of these folks (68%) drive alone rather than carpool. Only 4.6% use public transportation to get to work. Only 2.5% walk, 1.9% ride bicycles, and .6% ride bikes.

Walkable cities are a nice idea but I don’t expect them to represent a significant slice of urban America anytime soon. Especially given the horrendous costs and time frames involved with laying rail lines.

Commuter Numbers and Times in Los Angeles County, California

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Walkable cities are a nice idea but I don’t expect them to represent a significant slice of urban America anytime soon. Especially given the horrendous costs and time frames involved with laying rail lines.

The only thing preventing walkable cities to come back in design is about a $4.00 increase in the price of gas. Same for rail.

The US is addicted to gas, and as long as it's affordable to the average there is no nexus to change.

 

[wizzard426]

Are you the dumbest motherfucker on the board?

That's rhetorical.

What's the matter? that 15 dollar an hour minimum wage soaked up by bribemnomics already?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Few people who live in large metropolitan areas live within walking or bicycling distance of their jobs. Some interesting census data about Los Angeles County sheds some light on the subject. Unfortunately this source doesn’t provide data on distances traveled but as one who has spent decades living and working in LA County, Orange County, Riverside County and the Bay Area, I’m confident in my belief that well over 90% work at least 10 miles from their homes. For most, it’s a lot farther than that.

As of 2022, LA County has 4.7 million workers and 4.1 million of them (87%) commute to work. Among the commuters, 77% of them get to work by car, truck of van. Most of these folks (68%) drive alone rather than carpool. Only 4.6% use public transportation to get to work. Only 2.5% walk, 1.9% ride bicycles, and .6% ride bikes.

Walkable cities are a nice idea but I don’t expect them to represent a significant slice of urban America anytime soon. Especially given the horrendous costs and time frames involved with laying rail lines.

Commuter Numbers and Times in Los Angeles County, California

Rail lines are best, but existing car infrastructure is easy to repurpose by turning a few lanes into dedicated bus and bike lanes. The roads will move more people more smoothly, and when it's clear riding a bike or taking a bus is both cheaper and faster, car usage will drop.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You seem so angry about this. Live in the city if you choose, I couldn't begin to pretend to care less.

Yawn...boring meaningless argument. We all pay taxes at the same rate for the same income so whether I make $100,000 in the city or the rural my taxes still are the same. By the way my state charges no state income tax and has an over billion dollar surplus.

But here, I'll tell you what, we won't take our share of the tax money anymore. We will just raise the prices of all of our products that you need to survive on so we can 100% pay our own way. Say hello to $20 a gallon milk, $15 a pound hamburger, $100 a pound steaks, and so on. Essentially we may enjoy good roads, but you need us in order to live. We could starve you out in weeks. If you live in the snow belt you know what happens to store shelves when a blizzard hits. So it is a symbiotic relationship.

LOL! Who is we? You don’t get to speak for actual farmers. You’re the only one in here screaming to be left alone with other peoples’ money.

 

[AlexBailey]

The Wikipedia article says nothing about where those 400,000 people will work. Building a walkable suburb is pointless if everybody who lives there has to drive someplace else to get to work.

Yeah? The news about it is recent. Wiki hasn’t been updated yet. The idea is to have a walkable infrastructure and jobs.

The investors have already bought up something like 400 square miles of Solano County, CA. They are in it for the long haul.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Yeah? The news about it is recent. Wiki hasn’t been updated yet. The idea is to have a walkable infrastructure and jobs.

The investors have already bought up something like 400 square miles of Solano County, CA. They are in it for the long haul.

Where are the residents expected to work? I’ll buy that Wiki hasn’t been updated yet, but you seem to know what the plan is. I’m not trying to be snarky. I’m honestly interested in the economics of the project.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Where are the residents expected to work? I’ll buy that Wiki hasn’t been updated yet, but you seem to know what the plan is. I’m not trying to be snarky. I’m honestly interested in the economics of the project.

https://californiaforever.com/

The site says they will create at least 15,000 new jobs that pay at least 125% of the county average wage before the project’s population can go over 50,000.

The map shows mixed use, industry & technology, and maker & manufacturing zones.

I assume at this point they have no commitments from businesses, but in the strong economy of Northern California they figure if they build space for businesses to occupy, it will fill.

 

[AlexBailey]

Where are the residents expected to work? I’ll buy that Wiki hasn’t been updated yet, but you seem to know what the plan is. I’m not trying to be snarky. I’m honestly interested in the economics of the project.

Keep an eye on the project. As I said before, I listened to A NYT Daily podcast about it just yesterday.

The group had been secretly buying up the land under a LLC. It’s near Travis Air Force Base. The defense department and the FBI got worried about it because they feared it could be a foreign entity trying to set up a spying operation or something. A bunch of journalists finally broke the news that it was a bunch of venture capitalist, many from Silicon Valley. They have been offering farmers sweetheart deals for their land - offering lots of money and letting the sellers stay and continue to profit from operations for the next twenty years or so.

As soon as the story broke the group opened public relations offices and started public outreach. They need to get local support to begin but right now there is a lot of pushback due to nimby sentiment.

The theory is that if they go for the long haul and can eventually get approval it will be mostly one long case rather than fighting tooth and nail for every small bit of redevelopment in an existing city like San Francisco or San Jose.

A city of 400,000 will need services and industrial infrastructure. If they can design it from the ground up they can take their moon shot.

We’ll see.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Yeah? The news about it is recent. Wiki hasn’t been updated yet. The idea is to have a walkable infrastructure and jobs.

The investors have already bought up something like 400 square miles of Solano County, CA. They are in it for the long haul.

400 square miles? Yeah that sounds walkable and bicycle friendly.

 

[MajorRewrite]

400 square miles? Yeah that sounds walkable and bicycle friendly.

My calculation is it’s 27 square miles actually.

Any amount of land can be developed in a compact/walkable way if it is divided in multiple neighborhoods connected by transit. Manhattan is an extreme example. Disney World is another, in a way.

 

[wizzard426]

It's not feasible to haul the racing team on bikes. Or. The sheeple bus.

Freedom. Another reason to shun a shitty!

 

[Curious4more2020]

I hope they do build these 15 minute cities and more and more people can utilize them and enjoy there care free crime free life walking within 15 minutes of everything they will ever need to survive… myself will stay clear of all cities 15 min ones or not… I will be content on our 120 acres in the north woods with my 4x4 and atvs and tractor along with shooting any one of our guns without anyone around more miles… I will keep my unvaccinated self clear of all the government sheep that have a safe place in there overpopulated cities… please don’t come to the country when the cities get to scary or to dangerous just stay home and enjoy the benefits of having everything within 15 minutes… with that it might be wise to have a plan when things go awfully bad and if your living in a fantasy land thinking things won’t then good luck to you…

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I hope they do build these 15 minute cities and more and more people can utilize them and enjoy there care free crime free life walking within 15 minutes of everything they will ever need to survive… myself will stay clear of all cities 15 min ones or not… I will be content on our 120 acres in the north woods with my 4x4 and atvs and tractor along with shooting any one of our guns without anyone around more miles… I will keep my unvaccinated self clear of all the government sheep that have a safe place in there overpopulated cities… please don’t come to the country when the cities get to scary or to dangerous just stay home and enjoy the benefits of having everything within 15 minutes… with that it might be wise to have a plan when things go awfully bad and if your living in a fantasy land thinking things won’t then good luck to you…

If where you live is so safe, why do you own multiple guns?

 

[Curious4more2020]

Because it’s my right and I can for one… and I don’t own them because of crime I own them for hunting purposes for the enjoyment of target shooting and if in any worse case scenario where one is needed to defend ourselves would make the last reason… I don’t carry one on me they all have spots they are stored away with the ammo stored separately… so before the comments come of unsafe gun handling… I’m very aware guns are not toys and need to be respected, learned about each one and treated as always loaded… using the best practices when handling anyone of them is taught from generations down in our area… the last reason is just that some are family hand downs that hold lots of stories behind them and left for future family members to add to those stories…

 

[AlexBailey]

My calculation is it’s 27 square miles actually.

Oops! Major miscalculation.

Good thing I wasn’t ordering concrete.

 

[Curious4more2020]

Food is expensive and will continue to get more expensive the same as ammo and everything else that we consume… but the price of one bullet to shoot a deer or wild turkey or a bear is the cheapest way to provide food so I’m ok with ammo prices rising… I expect it will as it has for sometime now…

 

[MajorRewrite]

I hope they do build these 15 minute cities and more and more people can utilize them and enjoy there care free crime free life walking within 15 minutes of everything they will ever need to survive… myself will stay clear of all cities 15 min ones or not… I will be content on our 120 acres in the north woods with my 4x4 and atvs and tractor along with shooting any one of our guns without anyone around more miles… I will keep my unvaccinated self clear of all the government sheep that have a safe place in there overpopulated cities… please don’t come to the country when the cities get to scary or to dangerous just stay home and enjoy the benefits of having everything within 15 minutes… with that it might be wise to have a plan when things go awfully bad and if your living in a fantasy land thinking things won’t then good luck to you…

I wonder why people who live out in the countryside are so defensive? We’re discussing cities and they keep dropping in to rant “I love my 500 acres and I hope all of you elite city types DIE!”

Do you think rampant paranoia is a side effect of isolation? Or have generations of outmigration from farms to cities left only the mentally ill in rural places?

It’s a mystery.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Because the thread title excludes country life. There is plenty more future outside the cites.

If people want to talk about the virtues of rural living they should start their own thread instead posting off-topic rants in my thread about urban density.

 

[Curious4more2020]

I wonder why people who live out in the countryside are so defensive? We’re discussing cities and they keep dropping in to rant “I love my 500 acres and I hope all of you elite city types DIE!”

Do you think rampant paranoia is a side effect of isolation? Or have generations of outmigration from farms to cities left only the mentally ill in rural places?

It’s a mystery.

You fucking douche bag I’ve never once said I want anyone to die or think city people are elite that’s your dumb ass who puts words in others mouths and the way you just did is uncalled for and would get you punched in the face for it… maybe that’s what you need to set your head straight… I never wish any bad things or ill will on anyone I stated you city people can stay in the city when things get to dangerous since your all picturing a fantasy concrete 15 min land… if it works awesome I’m a happy for you all that want to have that life… it’s not for me and if that’s not ok with you then that’s your problem… you seem to have an issue with non city people not agreeing with your one sided views, again that’s your problem… but to spew bullshit like you did is and will be the reason someday you will say it to someone’s face and not behind your mommas keyboard in your childhood bedroom and they will set you straight… it’s people like you that make someone come out of there shell to prove a point and make you think twice before you go and make serious accusations… to everyone else in this thread I wish good health fortune and happiness… to this Asshat I hope he gets a fat lip or two back eyes… karma is real and shows up when you think your mouth can handle anything until karma proves you wrong… remember that when someone does so!!!

 

[Curious4more2020]

If people want to talk about the virtues of rural living they should start their own thread instead posting off-topic rants in my thread about urban density.

I only browsed a few of the posts on this thread to see how people viewed it as I was curious about how it would work… or work at all it’s a long shot I’m sure some cities could achieve it but many others wouldn’t… little I read country living was mentioned and being compared to your wants of a perfect city… I understand your views and hatred for others that don’t agree with your way of thinking or your way of scolding others for not thinking as you do… but that’s how one sided minds operate they are judgmental and are groupies that have no clear leadership to think for themselves but go along with what’s popular… It’s ok like I said please stay in the concrete jungles and stay safe… yesterday was thank full today is a blessing and tomorrow is never guaranteed for anyone…

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I only browsed a few of the posts on this thread to see how people viewed it as I was curious about how it would work… or work at all it’s a long shot I’m sure some cities could achieve it but many others wouldn’t… little I read country living was mentioned and being compared to your wants of a perfect city… I understand your views and hatred for others that don’t agree with your way of thinking or your way of scolding others for not thinking as you do… but that’s how one sided minds operate they are judgmental and are groupies that have no clear leadership to think for themselves but go along with what’s popular… It’s ok like I said please stay in the concrete jungles and stay safe… yesterday was thank full today is a blessing and tomorrow is never guaranteed for anyone…

Cars are fine as rural transportation but ruin cities. This thread is about prioritizing other modes of transit in cities over private automobiles--converting parking lots into dense housing, widening sidewalks and building more trains, converting general traffic lanes into dedicated bus or bike lanes.