The future is dense, walkable cities.

[SgtSpiderMan]

Sadly it's usually the other way around with city people sticking their noses in our lives. You know that's true but it upsets your fantasy world.

Yet here you are, a supposed rural person, telling others what to do.

 

[TrailerHitch]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766917834557587564

Oh bull shit. My wife has an elderly aunt and uncle that live in Chicago, they do not own a car. They walk or use mass transit, bus, the el, commuter trains, or sometimes taxis, to get to where they want to go. So to say you have to own a car is absolute nonsense if you choose to live in a big city.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Oh bull shit. My wife has an elderly aunt and uncle that live in Chicago, they do not own a car. They walk or use mass transit, bus, the el, commuter trains, or sometimes taxis, to get to where they want to go. So to say you have to own a car is absolute nonsense if you choose to live in a big city.

Might want to read that again slowly.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Yet here you are, a supposed rural person, telling others what to do.

I'm not telling anyone what to do except to leave us that enjoy rural life alone.

If you or others believe cities can be self sufficient then prove it because with out food production coming from the rural and being imported you will starve out in less than a year. Without lumber, coming from forests, without gravel and other stone products, coming from the rural, how will you build your shiny walkable cities?

Honestly I prefer you city dwellers stay there because when you move out to our rural area the first fucking thing you do is try to turn it into a city with all the services you left behind. We know we don't have all those services yet we manage very well. We don't want neighbors right on top of us and that's why so many of us own acreage to maintain our privacy.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I'm not telling anyone what to do except to leave us that enjoy rural life alone.

If you or others believe cities can be self sufficient then prove it because with out food production coming from the rural and being imported you will starve out in less than a year. Without lumber, coming from forests, without gravel and other stone products, coming from the rural, how will you build your shiny walkable cities?

Honestly I prefer you city dwellers stay there because when you move out to our rural area the first fucking thing you do is try to turn it into a city with all the services you left behind. We know we don't have all those services yet we manage very well. We don't want neighbors right on top of us and that's why so many of us own acreage to maintain our privacy.

So again, when will you refund the money that city folk paid for your roads?

 

[TrailerHitch]

Might want to read that again slowly.

Why, I know exactly what I said. IF, and it's a BIG IF, you want to live in a big city you usually don't need a car to survive there. Not having a car limits scheduling travel out of the city to bus, train, or airline scheduling, not your own.

Again, live that life if you wish and we will live ours as we wish. Live and let live. Realizing in the end we both need each other.

 

[TrailerHitch]

So again, when will you refund the money that city folk paid for your roads?

You seem so angry about this. Live in the city if you choose, I couldn't begin to pretend to care less.

Yawn...boring meaningless argument. We all pay taxes at the same rate for the same income so whether I make $100,000 in the city or the rural my taxes still are the same. By the way my state charges no state income tax and has an over billion dollar surplus.

But here, I'll tell you what, we won't take our share of the tax money anymore. We will just raise the prices of all of our products that you need to survive on so we can 100% pay our own way. Say hello to $20 a gallon milk, $15 a pound hamburger, $100 a pound steaks, and so on. Essentially we may enjoy good roads, but you need us in order to live. We could starve you out in weeks. If you live in the snow belt you know what happens to store shelves when a blizzard hits. So it is a symbiotic relationship.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

. We all pay taxes at the same rate for the same income so whether I make $100,000 in the city or the rural my taxes still are the same. .

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How to say "I failed mathematics" without using those words.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The variety of housing, from estate homes to apartments, cottages to townhouses and lofts, sets this project apart, according to the National Association of Home Builders, which named Village of Providence the 2014 Community of the Year. The retail is equally diverse, focusing on day-to-day uses like a drug store, barber shop, dry cleaner, pizzeria and other restuarants, coffee shop, and sports bar. Weekly outdoor markets revolve around healthy, sustainable food and the support of local entrepreneurs.

Village of Providence added amenities to a suburb of Huntsville, Alabama.

More pics etc: https://www.villageofprovidence.com/

https://www.villageofprovidence.com/the-village-gallery

 

[TrailerHitch]

Village of Providence added amenities to a suburb of Huntsville, Alabama.

More pics etc: https://www.villageofprovidence.com/

https://www.villageofprovidence.com/the-village-gallery

Who supplies their food? It doesn't appear that they are growing their own?

 

[MajorRewrite]

Who supplies their food? It doesn't appear that they are growing their own?

What are you talking about? Why would every place have to grow their own food?

We keep telling you that this is not about rural areas, but you don’t listen. Nobody is trying to change rural places. Give your paranoia a rest.

By the way, how much of the food you eat is grown in your neighborhood?

And how much of the other stuff you own is made in your neighborhood? Your truck? The shingles on your roof? Your furniture? Your clothes? Your computer or phone? Anything?

 

[AlexBailey]

There’s a story about the California Forever project on NYT Daily podcast today.

It’s being planned for a future population of 400,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Forever

 

[AlexBailey]

Who supplies their food? It doesn't appear that they are growing their own?

Don’t worry. There will be plenty of food still purchased from rural areas, and all the products you buy that are produced in urban areas will still be available to you.

Sit back relax and enjoy your rural life.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Don’t worry. There will be plenty of food still purchased from rural areas, and all the products you buy that are produced in urban areas will still be available to you.

Sit back relax and enjoy your rural life.

I am way more rural than Hitch could ever be, and there is fuck all grown around here, no farms, no food no nothing, not even cell coverage or electricity. We have a garden, but it's a hobby thing to do, we couldn't live a month off what it produces. As for meat, well the deer I get is enough for a few months. Fish, well that's limitless, if their biting....

So everything I get comes from a central village or city. Most of that food is imported to that city or village. Wheat from out west, fruit from down south or the US. Meat from Alberta. About the only local products are milk and eggs.

Yah Hitch is just bitching,because he's a grump old man eking through retirement and watching his meager retirement savings get eaten up, by policies implemented by the party he supports.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There’s a story about the California Forever project on NYT Daily podcast today.

It’s being planned for a future population of 400,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Forever

The Wikipedia article says nothing about where those 400,000 people will work. Building a walkable suburb is pointless if everybody who lives there has to drive someplace else to get to work.

 

[TrailerHitch]

What are you talking about? Why would every place have to grow their own food?

We keep telling you that this is not about rural areas, but you don’t listen. Nobody is trying to change rural places. Give your paranoia a rest.

By the way, how much of the food you eat is grown in your neighborhood?

And how much of the other stuff you own is made in your neighborhood? Your truck? The shingles on your roof? Your furniture? Your clothes? Your computer or phone? Anything?

I'm not the one trying to re-engineer society.

Actually a good amount of what I eat is raised here locally. Produce, eggs, meat, all can be purchased from local producers. Either at retail establishments, through farmer's markets, or even roadside stands. As well as we have our own garden and fruit trees.

How much of what you eat is produced locally? How much of what you listed is made in your neighborhood?

I honestly don't give a single fuck about what you do or how you want city life to be but it seems you have some vendetta against rural life. Funny how more city and suburban dwellers move into the rural than the other way around.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I'm not the one trying to re-engineer society.

Actually a good amount of what I eat is raised here locally. Produce, eggs, meat, all can be purchased from local producers. Either at retail establishments, through farmer's markets, or even roadside stands. As well as we have our own garden and fruit trees.

How much of what you eat is produced locally? How much of what you listed is made in your neighborhood?

I honestly don't give a single fuck about what you do or how you want city life to be but it seems you have some vendetta against rural life. Funny how more city and suburban dwellers move into the rural than the other way around.

This thread is about building walkable cities.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Oh. So I need to make a profit so that it's taxed and you get your "fair share" of what I've earned.

Bad news, pixiegirl. No profit last year. This year was nil and next year ain't looking to good either

Now how will you get your free shit?

Are you the dumbest motherfucker on the board?

That's rhetorical.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I honestly don't give a single fuck about what you do or how you want city life to be but it seems you have some vendetta against rural life. Funny how more city and suburban dwellers move into the rural than the other way around.

I don’t have a “vendetta against rural life”. This thread isn’t about rural areas and nobody but you has said anything about rural areas.

Your bizarre paranoia is hilarious.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Few people who live in large metropolitan areas live within walking or bicycling distance of their jobs. Some interesting census data about Los Angeles County sheds some light on the subject. Unfortunately this source doesn’t provide data on distances traveled but as one who has spent decades living and working in LA County, Orange County, Riverside County and the Bay Area, I’m confident in my belief that well over 90% work at least 10 miles from their homes. For most, it’s a lot farther than that.

As of 2022, LA County has 4.7 million workers and 4.1 million of them (87%) commute to work. Among the commuters, 77% of them get to work by car, truck of van. Most of these folks (68%) drive alone rather than carpool. Only 4.6% use public transportation to get to work. Only 2.5% walk, 1.9% ride bicycles, and .6% ride bikes.

Walkable cities are a nice idea but I don’t expect them to represent a significant slice of urban America anytime soon. Especially given the horrendous costs and time frames involved with laying rail lines.

Commuter Numbers and Times in Los Angeles County, California

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Walkable cities are a nice idea but I don’t expect them to represent a significant slice of urban America anytime soon. Especially given the horrendous costs and time frames involved with laying rail lines.

The only thing preventing walkable cities to come back in design is about a $4.00 increase in the price of gas. Same for rail.

The US is addicted to gas, and as long as it's affordable to the average there is no nexus to change.

 

[wizzard426]

Are you the dumbest motherfucker on the board?

That's rhetorical.

What's the matter? that 15 dollar an hour minimum wage soaked up by bribemnomics already?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Few people who live in large metropolitan areas live within walking or bicycling distance of their jobs. Some interesting census data about Los Angeles County sheds some light on the subject. Unfortunately this source doesn’t provide data on distances traveled but as one who has spent decades living and working in LA County, Orange County, Riverside County and the Bay Area, I’m confident in my belief that well over 90% work at least 10 miles from their homes. For most, it’s a lot farther than that.

As of 2022, LA County has 4.7 million workers and 4.1 million of them (87%) commute to work. Among the commuters, 77% of them get to work by car, truck of van. Most of these folks (68%) drive alone rather than carpool. Only 4.6% use public transportation to get to work. Only 2.5% walk, 1.9% ride bicycles, and .6% ride bikes.

Walkable cities are a nice idea but I don’t expect them to represent a significant slice of urban America anytime soon. Especially given the horrendous costs and time frames involved with laying rail lines.

Commuter Numbers and Times in Los Angeles County, California

Rail lines are best, but existing car infrastructure is easy to repurpose by turning a few lanes into dedicated bus and bike lanes. The roads will move more people more smoothly, and when it's clear riding a bike or taking a bus is both cheaper and faster, car usage will drop.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You seem so angry about this. Live in the city if you choose, I couldn't begin to pretend to care less.

Yawn...boring meaningless argument. We all pay taxes at the same rate for the same income so whether I make $100,000 in the city or the rural my taxes still are the same. By the way my state charges no state income tax and has an over billion dollar surplus.

But here, I'll tell you what, we won't take our share of the tax money anymore. We will just raise the prices of all of our products that you need to survive on so we can 100% pay our own way. Say hello to $20 a gallon milk, $15 a pound hamburger, $100 a pound steaks, and so on. Essentially we may enjoy good roads, but you need us in order to live. We could starve you out in weeks. If you live in the snow belt you know what happens to store shelves when a blizzard hits. So it is a symbiotic relationship.

LOL! Who is we? You don’t get to speak for actual farmers. You’re the only one in here screaming to be left alone with other peoples’ money.

 

[AlexBailey]

The Wikipedia article says nothing about where those 400,000 people will work. Building a walkable suburb is pointless if everybody who lives there has to drive someplace else to get to work.

Yeah? The news about it is recent. Wiki hasn’t been updated yet. The idea is to have a walkable infrastructure and jobs.

The investors have already bought up something like 400 square miles of Solano County, CA. They are in it for the long haul.