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[RobDownSouth]

Sadly Rob’s antisemitism is shared by a growing number of Democrats

It's not "antisemitism" to stand up against genocide and the systemic killing of civilians.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I disagree. The Israelis are far outpacing the Nazis in their callous disregard for civilian casualties and damage.

The Israeli army is now livestreaming their looting and shooting....and the civilians back home in Israel are loving it.

This is not the behavior of civilized people.

The Nazis built an entire industrial infrastructure exclusively to kill Jews.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Nazis built an entire industrial infrastructure exclusively to kill Jews.

And the Israeli army systematically destroyed the entire civilian medical infrastructure of the land they took over, something so cowardly even the Nazis never tried.

 

[TastySuckToy]

*snip*

As a non partisan person on the whole Israel/Gaza issue, may I ask at what point would you declare the Israel military action against Gaza excessive?

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

You pro Israeli lot.

Where is the line? It’s 1.3 percent of the entire population of Gaza dead now. 13,300 children.

Ten times October 7 and that’s just children.

You monsters. You absolute monsters.

 

[KeithD]

The Israelis are far outpacing the Nazis in their callous disregard for civilian casualties and damage.

I think it's more "on par with."

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

The Nazis built an entire industrial infrastructure exclusively to kill Jews.

Point of info. They also killed the following:


[TR]
[TH]Jews[/TH]
[TD]6 million[/TD]
[TD][1][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Gentiles (non-Jews)[/TH]
[TD][/TD]

[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Soviet civilians[/TH]
[TD]4.5 million[/TD]
[TD][2][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Soviet POWs[/TH]
[TD]3.3 million[/TD]
[TD][3][1][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Poles[/TH]
[TD]1.8 million[/TD]
[TD][4][5][1][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Serbs[/TH]
[TD]More than 310,000[/TD]
[TD][6][7][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Disabled people[/TH]
[TD]270,000[/TD]
[TD][8][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Romani[/TH]
[TD]250,000–500,000[/TD]
[TD][1][9][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Freemasons[/TH]
[TD]80,000[/TD]
[TD][10][11][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Slovenes[/TH]
[TD]20,000–25,000[/TD]
[TD][12][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Homosexuals[/TH]
[TD]5,000–15,000[/TD]
[TD][13][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Spanish Republicans[/TH]
[TD]3,500[/TD]
[TD][14][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Jehovah's Witnesses[/TH]
[TD]1,700[/TD]
[TD][1][15][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Total[/TH]
[TD]17 million[/TD]
[TH][/TH]
[/TR]

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

As a non partisan person on the whole Israel/Gaza issue, may I ask at what point would you declare the Israel military action against Gaza excessive?

Israeli’s recent response to October 7th was excessive . Claiming it compares to the Holocaust is wrong, and demonstrates an ignorance of history.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Israeli’s recent response to October 7th was excessive .

Fair enough.

Claiming it compares to the Holocaust is wrong, and demonstrates an ignorance of history.

I completely agree with you there.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Israeli’s recent response to October 7th was excessive . Claiming it compares to the Holocaust is wrong, and demonstrates an ignorance of history.

By that logic it is also wrong to compare Hamas’ terror attack on thr 7 October to the Holocaust.

If that’s the position everyone took I would welcome it.

 

[Lazaran]

Out of control Israeli military randomly opens fire on Gazan refugee camp, 100 dead, 700 wounded.
CNN calls this a "chaotic incident". Many observers say this is reminiscent of the My Lai Chaotic Incident back in Vietnam
I, for one, do Nazi the resemblance.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763187530474655880

“Palestinian authorities say”???



Side note:

At any time after the October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation, the Hamas animals and the Palestinian "civilians" could have released the hostages, and the leaders of the Hamas animals could have surrendered to Israeli or international authorities and assisted in the destruction of the terror tunnels and weapons caches. Then Israel would have no justification for their current actions.

That ^ also would have spared Gaza from Israel’s less surgical method of achieving those objectives.

Of course, IF the Hamas animals and the Palestinian "civilians" had never conducted the October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation (and ALL of the previous attacks), Israel most certainly wouldn’t have any justification for their current actions.

Yet here we are…

 

[TastySuckToy]

By that logic it is also wrong to compare Hamas’ terror attack on thr 7 October to the Holocaust.

I completely agree with this as well.

There is a huge issue with people delibrately using inflammatory rhetoric and grossly exaggerating/twisting events and information to invoke strong emotional and irrational responses, both from supporters and opponents on any particular issue.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hmmm....it looks like yesterday's Israeli indiscriminate slaughter of Gazan refugees is FINALLY triggering some international pushback.

The military's excuse was "we were only firing weapons into the air or at their legs" as if that is some mitigating factor.

Some are saying this is similar to Israel's "Grapes of Wrath" slaughter of Lebanese years ago which essentially ended the Israeli-Lebanon war and brought down the Peres government.

Israel is no longer the "good guys" here.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

I would argue they haven’t been the good guys.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Assessing any situation or event through the lense of 'good' and 'bad' guys is simplistic and counterproductive.

Real life isn't a movie.

 

[Lazaran]

By that logic it is also wrong to compare Hamas’ terror attack on thr 7 October to the Holocaust.

If that’s the position everyone took I would welcome it.

Um, the Hamas animals had / have literally made the elimination of Israel and Jews their mission statement. And then October 7th happened. (The Hamas animals also stated that October 7th would be repeated until Israel and Jews were eliminated.)

Sounds like the outline for the Holocaust to me.



These Holocaust experts explain it quite convincingly / effectively:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-a...-with-the-oct-7-hamas-massacre-are-valid/amp/

Hope that ^ helps.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Um, the Hamas animals had / have literally made the elimination of Israel and Jews their mission statement. And then October 7th happened. (The Hamas animals also stated that October 7th would be repeated until Israel and Jews were eliminated.)

Sounds like the outline for the Holocaust to me.



These Holocaust experts explain it quite convincingly / effectively:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-a...-with-the-oct-7-hamas-massacre-are-valid/amp/

Hope that ^ helps.

The times of Israel is not exactly an unbiased commentator in these affairs, and the death toll of Palestinians compared to Israelis since 1948 is incredibly one sided, not to mention the sheer destruction of property, infrastructure, displacement, and more throughout Palestine compared to Israel.

You’re uninformed, and ignorant of the destruction that Israel has wrought on its neighbour.

I deplore Hamas and their creed, but they are literal paper tigers. Israel has firepower that outguns them at every level. Claiming Hamas could carry out a genocide whilst enacting one of your own is possibly the best and worst example of western hypocrisy.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Assessing any situation or event through the lense of 'good' and 'bad' guys is simplistic and counterproductive.

Real life isn't a movie.

I agree, but it’s bloody difficult from my POV to argue that Israel have ever been the good guys given their history and the long standing apartheid regime and destruction of the Palestinians.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I agree, but it’s bloody difficult from my POV to argue that Israel have ever been the good guys given their history and the long standing apartheid regime and destruction of the Palestinians.

There is indeed a great deal of history on the issue.

One thing I will say about Israel is that its creation and existence seems to be orchestrated and maintained solely on the basis of religious justification.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

There is indeed a great deal of history on the issue.

One thing I will say about Israel is that its creation and existence seems to be orchestrated and maintained solely on the basis of religious justification.

There’s a recent court case in the UK regarding one Dr David Miller you should read about. Eye opening.

 

[Lazaran]

The times of Israel is not exactly an unbiased commentator in these affairs,

So you didn’t read the article…

And the point was about why what the Hamas animals (and others: Iran, Egypt, Syria, Jordan Hezbollah, etc) have done / are trying to do is comparable to the Holocaust: Those entities had / have a master plan / final solution to eliminate Israel and Jews.

and the death toll of Palestinians compared to Israelis since 1948 is incredibly one sided, not to mention the sheer destruction of property, infrastructure, displacement, and more throughout Palestine compared to Israel.

In the annals of history, I would submit that the Jewish people have been disproportionately on the receiving end of being violently dispossessed of life and property as opposed to them doing the dispossessing.

You’re uninformed, and ignorant of the destruction that Israel has wrought on its neighbour.

I’m fully informed on ALL of the destruction from ALL parties involved.

I deplore Hamas and their creed, but they are literal paper tigers

The raped, tortured, murdered, and kidnapped Israelis would disagree.

. Israel has firepower that outguns them at every level.

The Hamas animals are not alone in their quest to eliminate Israel and Jews.

Claiming Hamas could carry out a genocide whilst enacting one of your own is possibly the best and worst example of western hypocrisy.

Again: NONE of Israel’s RETALIATORY actions would have happened sans the Hamas animal’s (and Palestinian "civilians’") October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation, AND the Hamas animal’s declaration that
October 7th would be repeated until Israel and the Jewish people were no more.



Any country would do the same thing under the same circumstances. Many would do far worse for far less. (See: Russia’s completely unprovoked and barbaric attack on Ukraine.)

 

[RobDownSouth]

Outrage at Israel's indiscriminate slaughter of 700 refugees continues to grow.

Perhaps actions may result in consequences for Israel after all!

And a 13:1 slaughter ratio can no longer be called RETALIATORY action,

It's become a war crime, collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and/or genocide.

It's not the victims who are "animals", it's the Israeli soldiers livestreaming their looting, raping and killing of civilians to the Israeli public back home.

 

[schism666]

 

[Lazaran]

Israel's indiscriminate slaughter of 700 refugees

Will you apologize for this ^???

it’s a BB level lie.

You know it.

Be better.

 

[KeithD]

Out of control Israeli military randomly opens fire on Gazan refugee camp, 100 dead, 700 wounded.
CNN calls this a "chaotic incident". Many observers say this is reminiscent of the My Lai Chaotic Incident back in Vietnam
I, for one, do Nazi the resemblance.

Pushing this incident a bit too far, as horrendous as it is. Reports indicate that most of the casualties are from the relief trucks trying to move out of the area because of the gunfire. That's bad, of course, but most of the casualties weren't from the gunfire.

The incident was bad enough without misrepresenting what happened.