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And returning to the present day ... neither side has found a peaceful resolution. Most of that stems directly from religious intolerance. Never mind who owned or lived were - that's a non-starter solution. Those people are gone. The present people must come to grips with how to get along with one another.

How do you overcome that hatred to achieve a lasting peace? It will not happen with Hamas using textbooks to school children positing science questions on gravity illustrated by Arab gunmen shooting Israelis down in the street or a stated political aim of irradicating all Jews within its core documents. It doesn't come by attacks against one another that precipitate counter-attacks ad infinitum.

Israel is not helping the issue with further land grabs and extreme treatment of the Palestinians. Nor by controlling waterways, food supplies, medical access, and work restrictions on some two million nearly subjugation situations. That only feeds the region's despair, poverty, anger, and continuous strife.

It's as if the whole region needs a UN interdiction. An outside force that steps between the two parties and acts to disarm Hamas and corrals the leaders - perhaps Gitmo as a place to cool off until they are no longer a threat. That would still involve bloodyness, but at least it would be a unified battle against both warring parties. I suspect Israel would be open to ending such A legal body that imposes restrictions on Israel and a force with sets of rules that allow the Gaza region to heal and begin to prosper without oversight by Israel. An outside force that benevolently governs until a few generations have expired, and Gazans see some prosperity by co-existence and a threat by the UN that any more attempts will be met by harsh reprisals set into the governing rules for the region.

Some would say that's been tried before, and yes, it failed when the Brits pulled out. Shows that no one stayed the course long enough or set into stone a set of 'iron-fisted' benevolence. Maybe we could send in Trump - he'd declare 'victory' within a day and set things right. :nana:
 
I asked if it was corroborated by non Israeli sites and would be skeptical if it wasn't.

I would do the same if someone posted something from al Jazeera that wasn't corroborated.

The Palestinians are literally, genetically, the indigenous population of that area. They never left, they converted to other religions.

Thats fact. It’s been proven time and time again. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/

So
The Palestinians are literally, genetically, the indigenous population of that area. They never left, they converted to other religions.

Thats fact. It’s been proven time and time again. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/

So try again?
From your own link
“Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences.”
 
House of Commons set to vote on two measures on the war. Scottish Nationals are calling for an immediate and full cease fire. The Labour party has filed a motion for temp cease fire but added additional conditions.

UK Labour is backing an ‘immediate’ Gaza cease-fire. But the devil’s in the details
The Labour amendment calls for work to deliver a two-state solution in the region, and reaffirms the importance of recognizing a Palestinian state as a “contribution to rather than outcome of” any peace process.

But the amendment also removes any reference to the phrase “collective punishment of the Palestinian people,” which the SNP motion contains. Collective punishment — indiscriminate retribution against civilians — is illegal under international law.
 
Wtf are you talking about?
Norman Finkelstein has probably put it best. Group dementia. Literally the only explanation for the at odds with reality stuff coming out of the pro-Israel lobby that is literally enabling a famine, genocide and mass displacement of an entire indigenous population.
 
There are mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas, it's all over Arab media
Without wishing to defend Hamas, but where is this on the news? Because as far as I can see - nope, nothing. I’ve checked Al Jazeera, I’ve checked Qatari news, I’ve even had one of the Israeli channels up.

This appears to be misinformation. Provide a source please.
 
The lack of logic and intellectualism amongst the pro Israel lobby here is increasingly laughable.
I've said many times in this thread.... The purpose of it is to provide information much more than analysis. Whenever possible, I prefer a source be provided.

In the end, it serves everyone to see where people originate their opinions from.
 
I've said many times in this thread.... The purpose of it is to provide information much more than analysis. Whenever possible, I prefer a source be provided.

In the end, it serves everyone to see where people originate their opinions from.
As a published historian, I agree with you. Always provide sources and citations as best practice.
 
Earlier, we reported that Israel’s Minister of National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir called to restrict Palestinians’ freedom of movement following a shooting attack on a highway near the Maale Adumim settlement in the occupied West Bank.

He also said more weapons were being distributed to Israelis following the incident.

“An extremely large disaster was avoided here, thanks to the police and the armed citizens,” he told the press at the scene of the attack. “We’re distributing more and more guns. I think that today, everyone understands that guns save lives.”

Source: Al-Jazeera and the Jerusalem Post

So Israel is basically the 51st state of the United States, in everything. Or, the United States is the 2nd state of Israel.

The mirroring of the rhetoric and the spiral of violence is horrifying.

How do Americans, who have traditionally fought fascism, now openly support fascism when it has an Israeli flag over it?
 
Source: Al-Jazeera and the Jerusalem Post

So Israel is basically the 51st state of the United States, in everything. Or, the United States is the 2nd state of Israel.

The mirroring of the rhetoric and the spiral of violence is horrifying.

How do Americans, who have traditionally fought fascism, now openly support fascism when it has an Israeli flag over it?
This is something that absolutely baffles me. Even being in the UK, the people I know who are usually opposed to racism or discrimination and injustice are very publicly applauding Israel’s actions
 
Source: Al-Jazeera and the Jerusalem Post

So Israel is basically the 51st state of the United States, in everything. Or, the United States is the 2nd state of Israel.

The mirroring of the rhetoric and the spiral of violence is horrifying.

How do Americans, who have traditionally fought fascism, now openly support fascism when it has an Israeli flag over it?
Because Israel is a liberal democracy in a part of the world where autocracy is the norm.
 
This is something that absolutely baffles me. Even being in the UK, the people I know who are usually opposed to racism or discrimination and injustice are very publicly applauding Israel’s actions
Antisemitism has a powerful pull even with people who support liberal causes. Israel is judged by stricter standards because it’s the homeland of the Jews.
 
Antisemitism has a powerful pull even with people who support liberal causes. Israel is judged by stricter standards because it’s the homeland of the Jews.

To clarify, I’m absolutely against anti semitism too. I’m not anti israel, just anti their actions. I know there are a great number of Israeli citizens who condemn what their government is doing. I don’t see this all being an issue stemming from Judaism. More so another issue driven by the wrong political powers being in charge. It just absolutely breaks my heart what is happening there, along with many other places around the world.
 
Antisemitism has a powerful pull even with people who support liberal causes. Israel is judged by stricter standards because it’s the homeland of the Jews.
This is rubbish. Again. Not borne out by the facts.

A number of liberal democracies came to the ICJ over the course of this week to condemn Israel, the state’s, actions. It had nothing to do with being antisemitic. It was everything to do with Israel’s actions as a state.

People cry “antisemitism” where Israel is concerned to prevent legitimate criticism of a country carrying out war crimes.

Given the war crimes are against a Semitic population, the irony is not lost on me.
 
To clarify, I’m absolutely against anti semitism too. I’m not anti israel, just anti their actions. I know there are a great number of Israeli citizens who condemn what their government is doing. I don’t see this all being an issue stemming from Judaism. More so another issue driven by the wrong political powers being in charge. It just absolutely breaks my heart what is happening there, along with many other places around the world.
This is the correct place to be in, IMO.

However, it is clear the issues stem from Zionism, not Judaism. Some might ask what the difference is - my argument would be that if you follow the British courts and the case of Dr David Miller, you will have your answer.
 
This is the correct place to be in, IMO.

However, it is clear the issues stem from Zionism, not Judaism. Some might ask what the difference is - my argument would be that if you follow the British courts and the case of Dr David Miller, you will have your answer.
Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a homeland.
 
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