What’s your most controversial opinion?

[OrdinaryPerson]

I think I’m just thinking of changing overall societal expectations … I understand what you mean about other comfort and it’s not all about me, cuz it’s not…

It’s more about the corporate “look” that prevails in so many workplaces .. not just clothing, but hair colours, piercings, tattoos .. etc .., the world is changing and we need to change with it and not get stuck.
Plus … fashion in itself is such a toxic industry for the environment so normalizing thrifted or more “comfortable” clothes that people can wear more than just at work.., would be a good step for our environment and society

I think it depends on the industry. Traditional "corporate" jobs with older people in charge tends to go for a more conservative look. Especially, people facing jobs that require you to have some gravitas. But other jobs, like maybe web design, the expectation of how you need to look could be very different.

I think its okay for things that are a choice such as hair color, piercings, and tattoos signal something to society. I actually think a lot of people do those things TO signal that they don't need to or care to conform to societal standards. That is fine, but it is reasonable for your employer to take that into account.

What is more problematic are societal expectations that unfairly affect us... like women having to take a lot longer than men to look professional because we are expected to have nice hair and make up etc in addition to the suit. Something that's gotten a lot of media attention... black hair texture not being considered professional or tidy. Gender non-conformality issues.

I think those things are the ones that we should be actively changing our expectations around. I care a lot less that someone with a face tattoo is not taken seriously because at some point he chose to have it and he can always get it lasered off.

 

[Bebode]

And that’s also something that needs to be addressed in society … that how a woman dresses .. does not equate to her intelligence or integrity

That’s very true. However if something is a distraction whether it be somebody dressing “inappropriately” or somebody who’s shabby/dirty then that isn’t a good thing either. What if somebody is a nudist and wanted to come to work naked because that’s how they feel most comfortable?

 

[crazychemgirl]

I think it depends on the industry. Traditional "corporate" jobs with older people in charge tends to go for a more conservative look. Especially, people facing jobs that require you to have some gravitas. But other jobs, like maybe web design, the expectation of how you need to look could be very different.

I think its okay for things that are a choice such as hair color, piercings, and tattoos signal something to society. I actually think a lot of people do those things TO signal that they don't need to or care to conform to societal standards. That is fine, but it is reasonable for your employer to take that into account.

What is more problematic are societal expectations that unfairly affect us... like women having to take a lot longer than men to look professional because we are expected to have nice hair and make up etc in addition to the suit. Something that's gotten a lot of media attention... black hair texture not being considered professional or tidy. Gender non-conformality issues.

I think those things are the ones that we should be actively changing our expectations around. I care a lot less that someone with a face tattoo is not taken seriously because at some point he chose to have it and he can always get it lasered off.

That’s what I’m saying about society… what you said about women vs men … like having to wear make-up to look professional… that’s also part of it.

 

[crazychemgirl]

That’s very true. However if something is a distraction whether it be somebody dressing “inappropriately” or somebody who’s shabby/dirty then that isn’t a good thing either. What if somebody is a nudist and wanted to come to work naked because that’s how they feel most comfortable?

Thats just an extreme example and completely ridiculous… using that type of argument is so … ugh.
I’m not even gonna bother with you anymore lol

 

[crazychemgirl]

Most BDSM BS is a complete fantasy perpetuated by people with too much free time on their hands.

You don’t believe that people could enjoy the things that the BDSM community are into?

 

[Cat]

I agree with you, but I think it is harder for people who feel judged by others in a negative way for being who they are (and not just because of how they choose to express themselves through clothes) that it is harder to conform to what society expects. It is easy for me to conform because it largely does not bother me. But I can see how it may be tough for others in a lot of situations.

To that I agree fully!!

But that is comparing apples and bricks. Two extremely different types of discussions, and mindsets.

Freedom to dress yourself as you like through clothes.
(here I am thinking personal fashion, slutty, scruffy, only sports wear.. you get my point)

Freedom to dress yourself as you need through clothes.
(Here it becomes something different, and not a discussion I am ready for, but gender types, religion, and so on)

This is two very different things!!

Whether I want to be a sports jock with ink and funky hair...
Or
Whether I am non gender, but maybe leaning more to the masculine side.

The latter being more relevant than the prior, (the prior) which to me seems selfish and navel lint picking.

 

[Deleted member 1498366]

Thats just an extreme example and completely ridiculous… using that type of argument is so … ugh.
I’m not even gonna bother with you anymore lol

you are a gem

 

[Cat]

this is such coded language and also conflating a lot of things. You’re comparing “a guy who looks like a gangster” with someone who “actually listens and will offer you the best possible loan”

The assumption here is that the guy who dresses in “gangster” clothes wouldn’t be able to listen or give you the best loan.

Regardless of intention, “gangster” reads as Black and that the opposite is a white man in a suit is the only one who can listen and offer a good loan. That’s not okay and that kind of comparison is dangerous for Black folks in the workforce who already have to be intentional about every aspect of how they show up in the world.

STOP!!!! Do not put words into my mouth!!

This is not okay! This is not reasonable or healthy for an open, rational and logical discussion.

I AM OUT.

I have no issue trusting someone who is wearing “street wear” or “urban” clothing. If they work at the bank I’m assuming the institution did the due diligence on that person and that they can be trusted. Anyone can screw you over and anyone can be incompetent.

This would be incredibly impractical for a doctor to wear something super revealing, so no I wouldn’t trust them but that’s because that outfit doesn’t make sense in the context, not because of the clothes specifically. As @crazychemgirl mentioned, some jobs do have to have PPE and specific clothing.

Sure they don’t appreciate it but it shouldn’t dictate if you get a promotion/raise/job. I don’t appreciate people who wear horrible and strong perfumes/cologne but that doesn’t mean i think they are less capable.

Sorry.

We are not on the same page, we are not from the same culture. I do not agree with your connotations or implications.

Rather, I feel that this is one of those situations, where agreeing to disagree is for the better.

As a Dane, I do polite draw back. It was interesting to participate for as long as it lasted.

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

That’s very true. However if something is a distraction whether it be somebody dressing “inappropriately” or somebody who’s shabby/dirty then that isn’t a good thing either. What if somebody is a nudist and wanted to come to work naked because that’s how they feel most comfortable?

Humans worked dirty and nude for a long time before they took showers and wore clothes to work. Everything is just what we choose at this point in time as a society and some of the expectations also are different based on region, country, community. I think the point is, how those expectations affect people and what should or shouldn't change.

 

[Bebode]

Thats just an extreme example and completely ridiculous… using that type of argument is so … ugh.
I’m not even gonna bother with you anymore lol

Fair enough, but when I said there has to be a line of what and what isn’t acceptable you stated that society needs to change. Yes it’s an extreme example. But it’s at one end of the spectrum. How short a skirt is acceptable? How much cleavage? Sweatpants and no underwear that shows your cock?

How one dresses and looks is the projection they put out to the world, people will make their own decisions on what that may be, whether it’s right or wrong.

 

[Wand3rlust]

Pineapple on pizza anyone?

 

[Deleted member 6592667]

Pineapple on pizza anyone?

Yes. That is a thing.

...that I like sometimes.

 

[Bebode]

Love pineapple on pizza!

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

Pineapple on pizza anyone?

 

[Wand3rlust]

wow - loving the new look.

 

[crazychemgirl]

Pineapple on pizza anyone?

Fucking LOVE IT

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

wow - loving the new look.

It's my professional work attire

 

[Lmizzler]

wow - loving the new look.

Is that a 10 inch gun in the pocket or is she just happy to see us?

 

[Wand3rlust]

It's my professional work attire

kindergarten teacher I presume?

(look - I spoke American!)

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

Is that a 10 inch gun in the pocket or is she just happy to see us?

Depends on if youre gonna try to put pineapple on the pizza

 

[SalaciousMonkey22]

Is that a 10 inch gun in the pocket or is she just happy to see us?

It’s called a pocket pistol.

 

[Lmizzler]

Depends on if youre gonna try to put pineapple on the pizza

*Slowly backs away*

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

*Slowly backs away*

From the gun or the dick?

 

[Deleted member 6592667]

It's my professional work attire

What do you wear on casual Friday? A Godzilla suit?

 

[Bebode]

Fucking LOVE IT

At least we agree on something!!