What’s your most controversial opinion?

[Bebode]

I don’t know, they just don’t. Where I work they don’t like tattoos and until very recently anything over 2”x2” had to be covered. No acrylic nails, none natural colored hair, facial hair, piercings etc

 

[__Nathan1968]

It’s the same with hair colours … why shouldn’t someone with purple hair be taken as seriously as someone with brunette hair.

I’m with you on the hair color. Or no hair. Facial hair. Tattoos. Piercings. All good.

 

[crazychemgirl]

I don’t know, they just don’t. Where I work they don’t like tattoos and until very recently anything over 2”x2” had to be covered. No acrylic nails, none natural colored hair, facial hair, piercings etc

Isn’t that ridiculous though? … like honestly

 

[SassySheDevil]

I think it depends on the clothes. Because if you just let everybody go to work in a jeans and a t-shirt I don't think it looks as polished. But at the same time. Sometimes uniforms or dressy clothes are a little too much.
I like my nurses in scrubs. I like someone trying to sell me something to look nice.
One person in jeans and t shirt could look good. But their coworkers maybe not. Ill fitting clothes can be a turn off.

 

[Bebode]

Isn’t that ridiculous though? … like honestly

Yeah sort of I think a professional appearance projects a sense of capability and the opposite when people dress down, especially if looking scruffy

 

[crazychemgirl]

Yeah sort of I think a professional appearance projects a sense of capability and the opposite when people dress down, especially if looking scruffy

There’s a difference imo between dressing down and looking scruffy. You can look professional in a tshirt and jeans if you are well groomed and everything is clean and well fitted and not ridiculous.

 

[dawn_of_night]

I think it depends on the clothes. Because if you just let everybody go to work in a jeans and a t-shirt I don't think it looks as polished. But at the same time. Sometimes uniforms or dressy clothes are a little too much.
I like my nurses in scrubs. I like someone trying to sell me something to look nice.
One person in jeans and t shirt could look good. But their coworkers maybe not. Ill fitting clothes can be a turn off.

True story. People working retail usually have a dress code per the store. If you wear the brand you obviously know how it fits.
Particularly for ladies shopping intimates and lingerie... You want someone knowledgeable about wearing. Who cares if they have all the things.

 

[dawn_of_night]

I, for one, am smarter in a button down shirt and tie.
I’m handier in a flannel.
And I’m a better dancer in Lycra tights. (That’s a lie, I’m never a good dancer, but my legs do look pretty good in Lycra.)

Tats and ties... First choice!

 

[crazychemgirl]

I think sleeveless bridal gowns rarely look good … there’s just too much weight and not enough support.

 

[Deleted member 1498366]

Yeah sort of I think a professional appearance projects a sense of capability and the opposite when people dress down, especially if looking scruffy

I’ve been in plenty of meetings with suits who are just absolute morons and have no business making decisions that impact people.

I learned long ago that if I know I’m meeting with a lot of older dudes (especially white dudes in smaller towns) I need to be in traditional business formal wear to be taken seriously. But then, those same men are weirded out by me (feminine form) coming in with my very masculine style.

I agree with @crazychemgirl that as long as you’re looking polished and put together, you can look professional. And the style of clothes never indicates how much someone knows or how competent they are.

 

[MindYaBitness]

I think sleeveless bridal gowns rarely look good … there’s just too much weight and not enough support.

There is if you tie the corset to the brink of suffocation #fashion

 

[MindYaBitness]

I’ve been in plenty of meetings with suits who are just absolute morons and have no business making decisions that impact people.

I learned long ago that if I know I’m meeting with a lot of older dudes (especially white dudes in smaller towns) I need to be in traditional business formal wear to be taken seriously. But then, those same men are weirded out by me (feminine form) coming in with my very masculine style.

I agree with @crazychemgirl that as long as you’re looking polished and put together, you can look professional. And the style of clothes never indicates how much someone knows or how competent they are.

At the end of the day, the truth is that you will put your best self forward if you feel like you look your best, regardless of who is in the room. For some that's a full business suit, others it's cargo pants & a flannel. As long as you know the audience you're dealing with, and can hold your head high, you're fine.

 

[Bebode]

I totally agree. But I’ve worked in places where the girls tend to start dressing like they’re going out. Starts off professional and then Everything gets a little tighter, shirt lines are a little lower, more makeup etc

 

[crazychemgirl]

I totally agree. But I’ve worked in places where the girls tend to start dressing like they’re going out. Starts off professional and then Everything gets a little tighter, shirt lines are a little lower, more makeup etc

And? So? … what’s the problem with what a woman feels comfortable in?

 

[crazychemgirl]

I’ve been in plenty of meetings with suits who are just absolute morons and have no business making decisions that impact people.

I learned long ago that if I know I’m meeting with a lot of older dudes (especially white dudes in smaller towns) I need to be in traditional business formal wear to be taken seriously. But then, those same men are weirded out by me (feminine form) coming in with my very masculine style.

I agree with @crazychemgirl that as long as you’re looking polished and put together, you can look professional. And the style of clothes never indicates how much someone knows or how competent they are.

You are truly a gem … I love this.

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

I am lazy AF and hate dressing up but I will do it. No, PJs don't make me incompetent, but societal expectations matter. How your audience perceives your attitude matters.

With that said... Societal expectations can change so let's just work on making PJ pants the height of formality...

 

[Cat]

And? So? … what’s the problem with what a woman feels comfortable in?

Well, it is obviously important to be able to wear clothes and possibly makeup, that you are comfortable with.
But you are forgetting something, while personal freedom to express yourself is great.. what about the context?

What signals are you sending with your clothes? - do you care for others, or are you only concerned about your own rights and how you feel yourself?

- Would you get a bank loan from a guy that looks more like a gangster than someone who actually listens and will offer you the best possible loan?

- Would you trust your doctor, dressed as slutty as slutty can be, that you should tone down your alcohol consumption and start eating healthier?

To some degree I get what you are saying.. but, on the other hand.. I really do not. Everything does not have to be about ourselves, sometimes to receive other people's trust, faith and possibly.. Them being comfortable around us, you will have to make some sacrifices.. like wearing certain clothes.

 

[Bebode]

And? So? … what’s the problem with what a woman feels comfortable in?

It shouldn’t be a problem…but often it is. There has to be some line of what is acceptable and what isn’t for both cohesion in the work environment with colleagues and potential customers.

 

[crazychemgirl]

Well, it is obviously important to be able to wear clothes and possibly makeup, that you are comfortable with.
But you are forgetting something, while personal freedom to express yourself is great.. what about the context?

What signals are you sending with your clothes? - do you care for others, or are you only concerned about your own rights and how you feel yourself?

- Would you get a bank loan from a guy that looks more like a gangster than someone who actually listens and will offer you the best possible loan?

- Would you trust your doctor, dressed as slutty as slutty can be, that you should tone down your alcohol consumption and start eating healthier?

To some degree I get what you are saying.. but, on the other hand.. I really do not. Everything does not have to be about ourselves, sometimes other people's trust, faith and possibly.. being comfortable around us, it will demand some sacrifices.. like wearing certain clothes.

I think I’m just thinking of changing overall societal expectations … I understand what you mean about other comfort and it’s not all about me, cuz it’s not…

It’s more about the corporate “look” that prevails in so many workplaces .. not just clothing, but hair colours, piercings, tattoos .. etc .., the world is changing and we need to change with it and not get stuck.
Plus … fashion in itself is such a toxic industry for the environment so normalizing thrifted or more “comfortable” clothes that people can wear more than just at work.., would be a good step for our environment and society

 

[Bebode]

I am lazy AF and hate dressing up but I will do it. No, PJs don't make me incompetent, but societal expectations matter. How your audience perceives your attitude matters.

With that said... Societal expectations can change so let's just work on making PJ pants the height of formality...

I don’t know about that. I can’t stand when I see people wearing their pjs out and about.

 

[crazychemgirl]

It shouldn’t be a problem…but often it is. There has to be some line of what is acceptable and what isn’t for both cohesion in the work environment with colleagues and potential customers.

And that’s also something that needs to be addressed in society … that how a woman dresses .. does not equate to her intelligence or integrity

 

[OrdinaryPerson]

Well, it is obviously important to be able to wear clothes and possibly makeup, that you are comfortable with.
But you are forgetting something, while personal freedom to express yourself is great.. what about the context?

What signals are you sending with your clothes? - do you care for others, or are you only concerned about your own rights and how you feel yourself?

- Would you get a bank loan from a guy that looks more like a gangster than someone who actually listens and will offer you the best possible loan?

- Would you trust your doctor, dressed as slutty as slutty can be, that you should tone down your alcohol consumption and start eating healthier?

To some degree I get what you are saying.. but, on the other hand.. I really do not. Everything does not have to be about ourselves, sometimes other people's trust, faith and possibly.. being comfortable around us, it will demand some sacrifices.. like wearing certain clothes.

I agree with you, but I think it is harder for people who feel judged by others in a negative way for being who they are (and not just because of how they choose to express themselves through clothes) that it is harder to conform to what society expects. It is easy for me to conform because it largely does not bother me. But I can see how it may be tough for others in a lot of situations.

 

[Cat]

I think I’m just thinking of changing overall societal expectations … I understand what you mean about other comfort and it’s not all about me, cuz it’s not…

It’s more about the corporate “look” that prevails in so many workplaces .. not just clothing, but hair colours, piercings, tattoos .. etc .., the world is changing and we need to change with it and not get stuck.
Plus … fashion in itself is such a toxic industry for the environment so normalizing thrifted or more “comfortable” clothes that people can wear more than just at work.., would be a good step for our environment and society

But what is holding you.. or others, back from buying second hand? And still be within the corporations expectations?
(I know many who does that!)

The thing with tattoos and piercings, again.. as a rather tatted person myself, I do get you!! But I also respect, that everyone might not appreciate my ink.
Still, times are changing, and I see more and more ink in public, also on professionals.

.... Also, I reckon a big reason to why I do not really get you = we live in two rather different worlds. It is hard to compare and understand the differences between different countries and cultures.

 

[tnman03]

Most BDSM BS is a complete fantasy perpetuated by people with too much free time on their hands.

 

[Deleted member 1498366]

Would you get a bank loan from a guy that looks more like a gangster than someone who actually listens and will offer you the best possible loan

this is such coded language and also conflating a lot of things. You’re comparing “a guy who looks like a gangster” with someone who “actually listens and will offer you the best possible loan”

The assumption here is that the guy who dresses in “gangster” clothes wouldn’t be able to listen or give you the best loan.

Regardless of intention, “gangster” reads as Black and that the opposite is a white man in a suit is the only one who can listen and offer a good loan. That’s not okay and that kind of comparison is dangerous for Black folks in the workforce who already have to be intentional about every aspect of how they show up in the world.

I have no issue trusting someone who is wearing “street wear” or “urban” clothing. If they work at the bank I’m assuming the institution did the due diligence on that person and that they can be trusted. Anyone can screw you over and anyone can be incompetent.

Would you trust your doctor, dressed as slutty as slutty can be, that you should tone down your alcohol consumption and start eating healthier

This would be incredibly impractical for a doctor to wear something super revealing, so no I wouldn’t trust them but that’s because that outfit doesn’t make sense in the context, not because of the clothes specifically. As @crazychemgirl mentioned, some jobs do have to have PPE and specific clothing.

But I also respect, that everyone might not appreciate my ink.

Sure they don’t appreciate it but it shouldn’t dictate if you get a promotion/raise/job. I don’t appreciate people who wear horrible and strong perfumes/cologne but that doesn’t mean i think they are less capable.