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[ll74]

Netanyahu rejects Hamas’ conditions for deal to release hostages and end war as pressure mounts to free remaining captives​

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected Hamas’ conditions for an end to the Gaza war in exchange for the release of hostages held there as he faces increasing public pressure to bring the captives home.

Gadi suggest.elections and adjustment of objectives

War cabinet minister Gadi Eisenkot last week suggested that the key war aim of defeating Hamas is unrealistic and called for elections within months. Eisenkot also said the government had failed to achieve what he says should be its highest priority: securing the release of the hostages.

Meanwhile, Israelis protest to put priority on hostage release

On Monday, more than a dozen people, including families of the hostages, forced their way into a meeting held by the Israeli parliament’s finance committee. The protesters held placards that read: “You will not sit here while they die there.”

 

[ll74]

The so called 2 State Solution is a pipe dream of the West, and they know it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749049490009440569

It is not.

 

[snailspace]

In light of what the Hamas leadership said, how is it not?

 

[ll74]

In light of what the Hamas leadership said, how is it not?

Both sides' leadership have said things that reject a two state solution. The most you can say is that it's not possible with current leadership....and Ive already agreed with that.

But white_bB (and you, I'm guessing) believe the fault is entirely one sided....which is just biased bullshit.

 

[silky52]

It is not.

it is actually. The Arabs will not allow it. They simply want to destroy Israel and put themselves in place of them! They have proved this time and time again, and they have said it time and time again. People are not listening again!

 

[silky52]

Both sides' leadership have said things that reject a two state solution. The most you can say is that it's not possible with current leadership....and Ive already agreed with that.

But white_bB (and you, I'm guessing) believe the fault is entirely one sided....which is just biased bullshit.

Neither sides 'want' such a solution, especially not the present Israeli government. However, Israelis would accept such a solution if the Arabs were not armed, and were supervised by foreign entities.

Hamas-ISIS confirmed today that there is no deal for the hostages, and that they set pre-conditions for TALKS ONLY as in Israel is to vacate Gaza, and leave Hamas-ISIS in charge of the Gaza Strip. Then, and only THEN would they begin talking about the hostages!!! My source is from Israel Today, and if I remember correctly, it was early this morning that that was advertised. Thus Israeli PM has said and emphatic NO, NO, NO.

Seriously, what would the lives that have been lost including Israeli soldiers be worth if he had said Yes to such a solution!! Who in their right mind would say yes to such a solution.

On a brighter note Hezbollah has been put on notice that if there are no incidents for 48 hours there will be no repercussions.

 

[ll74]

it is actually. The Arabs will not allow it. They simply want to destroy Israel and put themselves in place of them! They have proved this time and time again, and they have said it time and time again. People are not listening again!

Yes, you all (on both sides) continue to tell me one side won't let it happen.

As I said....neither side has been pressured to do anything towards a two state solution and both sides are fine blaming each other for it because their supporters, such as yourself, are fine with it.

If you want peace, the push for peace.. of you don't, eat up what your given.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Israeli Wehrmacht death toll surpasses 25,000 Gazans killed.

EU Minister says Israel’s campaign is “seeding the hate for generations.”

This is either "genocide" or "collective punishment", take your pick.

We used to hang Nazis for either offense.

Those under 50 ask your father about this.

 

[ll74]

Neither sides 'want' such a solution, especially not the present Israeli government. However, Israelis would accept such a solution if the Arabs were not armed, and were supervised by foreign entities.

Hamas-ISIS confirmed today that there is no deal for the hostages, and that they set pre-conditions for TALKS ONLY as in Israel is to vacate Gaza, and leave Hamas-ISIS in charge of the Gaza Strip. Then, and only THEN would they begin talking about the hostages!!! My source is from Israel Today, and if I remember correctly, it was early this morning that that was advertised. Thus Israeli PM has said and emphatic NO, NO, NO.

Seriously, what would the lives that have been lost including Israeli soldiers be worth if he had said Yes to such a solution!! Who in their right mind would say yes to such a solution.

On a brighter note Hezbollah has been put on notice that if there are no incidents for 48 hours there will be no repercussions.

I think the path forward is elections for both sides and an international force in Gaza to hold the line until those elections are held.. after such point, international assistance should be maintained until such time that a two state solution is achieved.

And it is a possible outcome...regardless of what people think is impossible.

 

[Lazaran]

Israeli Wehrmacht death toll surpasses 25,000 Gazans killed.

EU Minister says Israel’s campaign is “seeding the hate for generations.”

This is either "genocide" or "collective punishment", take your pick.

We used to hang Nazis for either offense.

Those under 50 ask your father about this.

So Israel is NOW "seeding the hate for generations", but the Hamas animals and the Palestinian "civilians" who allowed their children to be indoctrinated into Jihad loooooong before the Israeli’s perfectly justified and measured (measured to eliminate the current and future threat of the Hamas animal’s heinous acts, like October 7th, which the Hamas animal’s have promised to revisit upon Israel in perpetuity) response to the Hamas animal’s GENOCIDAL rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation weren’t ALREADY "seeding the hate for generations"???



What about all the other entities that have been calling for and attempting the destruction of Jews and Israel for the past 75 + years??? We’re they "seeding the hate for generations" too???



GTFO

 

[ShandyLeer]

I think the path forward is elections for both sides and an international force in Gaza to hold the line until those elections are held.. after such point, international assistance should be maintained until such time that a two state solution is achieved.

And it is a possible outcome...regardless of what people think is impossible.

Two state solution will comeback around again, but obviously it requires a few stars to align to make it possible. It’s all a bit raw at the moment and leaders on both sides are both dismissing the idea because, for now, it suits them.

Time, a change in leadership in Israel and some combination of likely Arab funded protectorate/policing role would probably do it.

Seems inescapable to me though that the less than pinpoint precision the Israelis have chosen to respond with has poisoned the well for a while.

 

[ll74]

Two state solution will comeback around again, but obviously it requires a few stars to align to make it possible. It’s all a bit raw for now, and leaders on both sides are both dismissing the idea because, for now, it suits them.

Time, a change in leadership in Israel and some combination of likely Arab funded protectorate/policing role would probably do it.

Seems inescapable to me though that the less than pinpoint precision the Israelis have chosen to respond with has poisoned the well for a while.

Both parties are not on the road to any solution of peace. And so we should pressure them to find the leadership and will to get there.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Both parties are not on the road to any solution of peace. And so we should pressure them to find the leadership and will to get there.

On the Israeli side that’s easy - they respond entirely to US pressure, but it requires the right conditions in America to produce a leadership that’s willing to use its influence here. Trump obviously won’t do it.

But likewise the Palestinians need to be policed and protected by a force that suppresses the terrorists and gives the population half a chance to get out from under the grip of these sinister fuckers

 

[ll74]

On the Israeli side that’s easy - they respond entirely to US pressure, but it requires the right conditions in America to produce a leadership that’s willing to use its influence here. Trump obviously won’t do it.

But likewise the Palestinians need to be policed and protected by a force that suppresses the terrorists and gives the population half a chance to get out from under the grip of these sinister fuckers

It's rough when the organization that was up for it was basically sidelined by Israel...and the group who carried out the attacks were promoted.

Gazans need to have a voice and a new election. I continue to call for Israel to do the same.....they don't deserve to stay in power

 

[silky52]

Two state solution will comeback around again, but obviously it requires a few stars to align to make it possible. It’s all a bit raw at the moment and leaders on both sides are both dismissing the idea because, for now, it suits them.

Time, a change in leadership in Israel and some combination of likely Arab funded protectorate/policing role would probably do it.

Seems inescapable to me though that the less than pinpoint precision the Israelis have chosen to respond with has poisoned the well for a while.

More like the media has poisoned the well of the world. Israel does make pinpoint precision as well as they can. I'd like to see some of you out on the field in Gaza! See what you think then!

 

[silky52]

Israeli Wehrmacht death toll surpasses 25,000 Gazans killed.

EU Minister says Israel’s campaign is “seeding the hate for generations.”

This is either "genocide" or "collective punishment", take your pick.

We used to hang Nazis for either offense.

Those under 50 ask your father about this.

I wish they'd hang you. You are an antisemitic!

 

[silky52]

It's rough when the organization that was up for it was basically sidelined by Israel...and the group who carried out the attacks were promoted.

Gazans need to have a voice and a new election. I continue to call for Israel to do the same.....they don't deserve to stay in power

In Utopia maybe!

 

[ll74]

In Utopia maybe!

In a better world.....which is made by people who want a better world.

 

[icanhelp1]

it is actually. The Arabs will not allow it. They simply want to destroy Israel and put themselves in place of them! They have proved this time and time again, and they have said it time and time again. People are not listening again!

When the authoritarian theocrats of Iran are eliminated perhaps a two state solution can be negotiated. The hatred for Israel originates from Iran.

 

[ShandyLeer]

More like the media has poisoned the well of the world. Israel does make pinpoint precision as well as they can. I'd like to see some of you out on the field in Gaza! See what you think then!

Your nation has reacted, with good reason, at an atrocity that cost over a thousand civilian lives.

The response has clearly cost multiple times that in civilian lives. That isn’t the media’s doing, and I’m no fan of the media.

I appreciate this is urban warfare, and all that entails - but the scale of civilian death, injury and suffering was a controllable (within reason) and it’s not hard to see how much, or little, care is being taken.

 

[silky52]

When the authoritarian theocrats of Iran are eliminated perhaps a two state solution can be negotiated. The hatred for Israel originates from Iran.

Yes, and no. Jews have always been hated. Antisemitism is simply under the surface of those who have always felt that way. Nowadays, they are supposed to be politically correct, and not say nasty things about Jews. That means that one doesn't really know who is anti semitic any more, except of course for those (especially on this thread) who make it obvious with their nasty comments, and not to be believed statements regarding October 7th or the Holocaust!

The Iranians are however looking to take over the world and have it become entirely Muslim. Anyone who is not Muslim is an infidel so it won't only be Jews that go, it will be most others who won't become Muslim. Plus the Muslims within the Muslims whom the particular type of Iranian Muslims don't consider Muslim, if that makes sense.

 

[silky52]

Your nation has reacted, with good reason, at an atrocity that cost over a thousand civilian lives.

The response has clearly cost multiple times that in civilian lives. That isn’t the media’s doing, and I’m no fan of the media.

I appreciate this is urban warfare, and all that entails - but the scale of civilian death, injury and suffering was a controllable (within reason) and it’s not hard to see how much, or little, care is being taken.

You are so incorrect!! Shame you can't do as I said and come here and take a look for yourself. Then you would understand that the media for one is most certainly to blame for mountains of misinformation, plus the way information is disseminated to the public. If you care to take a look at Douglas Murrey's videos on YouTube. He speaks of the woke, and all that is happening to change the world. He's not Jewish, and he's not prejudice.

Those 'civilians' as you call them are mostly Hamas-ISIS. I posted a few things above about what those lovely civilians have done. By the way HI hides their guns/rifles etc, and then walks out into the street as a 'civilian'. Then the world sees a civilian killed and not a murderous HI terrorist!

 

[ll74]

You are so incorrect!! Shame you can't do as I said and come here and take a look for yourself. Then you would understand that the media for one is most certainly to blame for mountains of misinformation, plus the way information is disseminated to the public. If you care to take a look at Douglas Murrey's videos on YouTube. He speaks of the woke, and all that is happening to change the world. He's not Jewish, and he's not prejudice.

Those 'civilians' as you call them are mostly Hamas-ISIS. I posted a few things above about what those lovely civilians have done. By the way HI hides their guns/rifles etc, and then walks out into the street as a 'civilian'. Then the world sees a civilian killed and not a murderous HI terrorist!

If every Palestinian is considered Hamas to you and you support the declared objective of the destruction of Hamas, then you literally support the genocide of Palestinians.

 

[silky52]

If every Palestinian is considered Hamas to you and you support the declared objective of the destruction of Hamas, then you literally support the genocide of Palestinians.

That is the issue here, one cannot know, who is and who is not!!! The point is that HI have grossly exaggerated the number of actual civilians who have been killed. Why on earth would anyone want to see another group of people suffer? I have no animosity towards the Arabs in Gaza, except when they come to murder, rape and mutilate and capture my people, and fire rockets!!!

Would you have your four year old taught about Jihad? Would you have your small children at school where Jihad and rifles, and guns are taught to be their playthings? Where hate is in their text books. It's not Israelis who are doing this to the 'civilians', it's HI!!! They are teaching them to hate, so yes most of them are HI.

 

[ll74]

That is the issue here, one cannot know, who is and who is not!!! The point is that HI have grossly exaggerated the number of actual civilians who have been killed. Why on earth would anyone want to see another group of people suffer? I have no animosity towards the Arabs in Gaza, except when they come to murder, rape and mutilate and capture my people, and fire rockets!!!

I specifically used your logic to demonstrate that you support genocide. Whether you find that to be an issue or not isn't my fault or care.

Would you have your four year old taught about Jihad? Would you have your small children at school where Jihad and rifles, and guns are taught to be their playthings? Where hate is in their text books. It's not Israelis who are doing this to the 'civilians', it's HI!!! They are teaching them to hate, so yes most of them are HI.

Other people's views are not an excuse for your own