The future is dense, walkable cities.

[SgtSpiderMan]

Using this logic, who feeds the cities? The bottom up is how society really functions, not the top down. Nothing moves without the making of commodities in factories, farmers in the countryside, and vehicles to distribute those commodities. The way some people talk, you'd think nothing moves without billionaires in Wall Street, or without "big cities".

Who did people rely on at the time that the pandemic was at its worst? Delivery van drivers, healthcare workers, shop workers, farmers etc.

That’s a great point about who people relied on.

Healthcare workers in a well designed city could walk to work.
Shop workers could also walk to work, and their customers could walk to the shop.
Why would we need delivery drivers when people live close enough to easily walk to a restaurant?
People could do their own farming in a well designed city.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Using this logic, who feeds the cities? The bottom up is how society really functions, not the top down. Nothing moves without the making of commodities in factories, farmers in the countryside, and vehicles to distribute those commodities. The way some people talk, you'd think nothing moves without billionaires in Wall Street, or without "big cities".

Who did people rely on at the time that the pandemic was at its worst? Delivery van drivers, healthcare workers, shop workers, farmers etc.

No food is grown in the suburbs. They leech off both the city core and the rural countryside.

 

[AlexBailey]

No food is grown in the suburbs. They leech off both the city core and the rural countryside.

I have some friends who are 'urban farm' consultants. They specialize in harvesting as much food as possible from small spaces, usually in small back yards. It's amazing what could come from the suburbs with a little concerted knowhow.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I have some friends who are 'urban farm' consultants. They specialize in harvesting as much food as possible from small spaces, usually in small back yards. It's amazing what could come from the suburbs with a little concerted knowhow.

Good luck growing enough food in the five boroughs of New York City to feed 8 plus million people.

 

[Rightguide]

Study Predicts Thousands of U.S. Cities Will be ‘Ghost Towns’ by the Year 2100​

By Mike LaChance Jan. 17, 2024 9:40 pm

Thousands of US cities are predicted to become ghost towns by 2100: New study
A new study using existing trends from over the past 20 years predicted population decline in thousands of American cities over the next 80 years.
Researchers at the University of Illinois Chicago used population projections to find that, by the year 2100, almost half of nearly 30,000 cities in the U.S. will experience a population decline.

The population decline would represent 12%–23% of the population of these cities, the study states. The aftermath of such a decline will bring “unprecedented challenges,” the study explains further.

These cities could face a loss in basic services like transit, clean water, electricity and internet access. Furthermore, an issue depopulation poses is a “dwindling tax base” that would certainly impact basic city services.

“Simultaneously, increasing population trends in resource-intensive suburban and periurban cities will probably take away access to much needed resources in depopulating areas, further exacerbating their challenges,” the report states.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/study-predicts-thousands-u-s-cities-will-be/

Here's your future, it's already happening in blue cities.

 

[ll74]

Study Predicts Thousands of U.S. Cities Will be ‘Ghost Towns’ by the Year 2100​

By Mike LaChance Jan. 17, 2024 9:40 pm








https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/study-predicts-thousands-u-s-cities-will-be/

Here's your future, it's already happening in blue cities.

GP copy pasta of Fox News which is now requiring email to access.

I'm sure the study is linked there somewhere
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[AlexBailey]

Good luck growing enough food in the five boroughs of New York City to feed 8 plus million people.

That’s why large metropolitan cities are only theoretical and can never exist in the real world.

 

[TrailerHitch]

That’s why large metropolitan cities are only theoretical and can never exist in the real world.

Exactly, and I said that exact thing VERY early on in this topic.

 

[AlexBailey]

Exactly, and I said that exact thing VERY early on in this topic.

Yeah, New York doesn’t exist.

 

[RandyRebecca]

No food is grown in the suburbs. They leech off both the city core and the rural countryside.

The big business capitalists "leech", whether in the city, suburb or countryside. In cities, including big cities, there is much severe poverty, but it's the smaller towns where there's more of a "left behind" feeling alongside the poverty, causing much anger and rage.

Good luck growing enough food in the five boroughs of New York City to feed 8 plus million people.

And they say Downstate funds Upstate when we complain about things like the level of property tax. Wall Street got richer off the outsourcing of US manufacturing jobs to other countries, and then liberals have the nerve to say that Downstate funds Upstate. Wall Street is a bubble within a bubble, and may as well be a different planet. Big cities are pampered from the outside.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The big business capitalists "leech", whether in the city, suburb or countryside. In cities, including big cities, there is much severe poverty, but it's the smaller towns where there's more of a "left behind" feeling alongside the poverty, causing much anger and rage.

What does this have to do with dense, walkable cities?

Yes, there are pockets of severe poverty in large cities. Suburbs aren't similarly impoverished not because suburbanites are more productive, but because they're heavily subsidized. Redirect the suburban subsidies to the inner city and you'll see urban poverty dwindle.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Yeah, New York doesn’t exist.

They exist because of external supplies of food, fuel, and water being supplied. As a self sufficient entity they would fail and in short time.

I can grow enough food and can and freeze it to feed my family. As well as have chickens and other livestock. I have the property to allow that. As well as hunting deer and rabbits. As do all of the people living in this area. It would be exceedingly hard for the tenant of a high rise apartment building to grow enough food to survive a week let alone a year.

I don't give a single rat's ass if people want to live clustered in their apartment cages in the city but it is delusional to believe that they can survive as a self sufficient zone without outside food, water and fuel being supplied to them. And who will supply it? The very same rural folk that many of you decry as useless, and unnecessary in your utopian world. Although I suppose there is always Soylent Green!

 

[AlexBailey]

They exist because of external supplies of food, fuel, and water being supplied. As a self sufficient entity they would fail and in short time.

I can grow enough food and can and freeze it to feed my family. As well as have chickens and other livestock. I have the property to allow that. As well as hunting deer and rabbits. As do all of the people living in this area. It would be exceedingly hard for the tenant of a high rise apartment building to grow enough food to survive a week let alone a year.

I don't give a single rat's ass if people want to live clustered in their apartment cages in the city but it is delusional to believe that they can survive as a self sufficient zone without outside food, water and fuel being supplied to them. And who will supply it? The very same rural folk that many of you decry as useless, and unnecessary in your utopian world. Although I suppose there is always Soylent Green!

Oh, make your own fuel do you?
Where does your electricity one from?
Take any meds, or do you harvest herbs from your garden?
What's your retirement plan?
Are your parents still alive?
How are the education options in your Podunk utopia?
Ever see a local doctor?
Do you have sheep and spin your own wool garments?
How's your local hospital and emergency services? Are they fully supported by the local economy?
How much state money goes to maintain your roads? Does your local economy provide for that?
Did you make your own device you're using to get on this forum?
Do you use a toilet brush instead of toilet paper or does that come from somewhere else?

 

[LeeKee]

Car suburbs were a failed experiment from the last century. Forcing people to drive everywhere was great for the oil and car industries, but private cars turned out to be an ecological disaster, not to mention the fact that many American cities were gutted to build car infrastructure. Entire neighborhoods were razed to build highways and parking lots.

The way forward is to redirect public spending on car infrastructure to buses and trains. Convert lanes that are currently used for on-street parking into dedicated bus and bike routes. Bring back streetcars. Impose heavy penalties on careless drivers who kill pedestrians.

It will take decades to undo the damage that the private car has done to American cities, but European and Japanese cities can be used as models for how we can get rid of traffic and make our cities easier to get around in.

have you been to Europe? City politics do not function outside of the city. Look closely at a map and you will see thousands of villages. How do you suppose one would travel through hill and dale to other villages? Your idea is ok if you only live on one patch of ground and nowhere else. Also the concept of land ownership in America differs vastly from European nations and how those villages are plotted. Any way you slice it your arguement of everyone existing shoulder to shoulder doesnt fit the reality of movement. Unless restricting movement is your goal. If so, this goal also includes a plethora of restrictions that will require dictatorship and jackboot enforcement. Changes and refinements need to be considered but this plan has been seen before. The ones pushing never included themselves as part of the restricted class.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Oh, make your own fuel do you? Nope, but I can heat my house, and cook my food on a wood stove...can you or any other city dweller?
Where does your electricity one from? The grid, the same as yours. The difference is i won't cease to exist if the power goes out.
Take any meds, or do you harvest herbs from your garden? I do take meds and if my supply dries up so will the city dwellers.
What's your retirement plan? Well since I'm already mostly retired I'm living my retirement plans.
Are your parents still alive? Irrelevant, but no they are dead.
How are the education options in your Podunk utopia? Well, within a half an hour we have a college and 2 technical colleges. Within an hour and a half add 3 more colleges and several more technical colleges and community colleges.
Ever see a local doctor? Yes I do, in fact I just saw him yesterday.
Do you have sheep and spin your own wool garments? Nope, but there are plenty of crafters out here that have that ability. Do you have sheep? Do you make your own cloth?
How's your local hospital and emergency services? Are they fully supported by the local economy? 3 hospitals within a half hour. EMS and fire come from town for us. They are all very good. We are an hour and a half from a major medical center.
How much state money goes to maintain your roads? Does your local economy provide for that? Don't know but again it is an irrelevant question to this topic.
Did you make your own device you're using to get on this forum? No, but I have a very good friend that has offered to build my next one for me.
Do you use a toilet brush instead of toilet paper or does that come from somewhere else? This comment is so stupid that it doesn't deserve an answer.

Your worried about how I will survive and you know damn well you won't without the rural supplying you.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Your worried about how I will survive and you know damn well you won't without the rural supplying you.

*You're

Where will you get your supply of cock?

 

[AlexBailey]

Your worried about how I will survive and you know damn well you won't without the rural supplying you.

You have no idea how I live. I ask you rhetorical questions in an effort to stimulate thought and you dig further into your myopic perspective. Enjoy. If you like your little world so much why do you argue with people who are interested in a more inclusive society that has no need for you?

You say you want to be left out but you don't talk that way.

 

[AlexBailey]

have you been to Europe? City politics do not function outside of the city. Look closely at a map and you will see thousands of villages. How do you suppose one would travel through hill and dale to other villages? Your idea is ok if you only live on one patch of ground and nowhere else. Also the concept of land ownership in America differs vastly from European nations and how those villages are plotted. Any way you slice it your arguement of everyone existing shoulder to shoulder doesnt fit the reality of movement. Unless restricting movement is your goal. If so, this goal also includes a plethora of restrictions that will require dictatorship and jackboot enforcement. Changes and refinements need to be considered but this plan has been seen before. The ones pushing never included themselves as part of the restricted class.

Curious, where do you get that anyone is saying that 'everyone' needs to live any certain way?

 

[TrailerHitch]

You have no idea how I live. I ask you rhetorical questions in an effort to stimulate thought and you dig further into your myopic perspective. Enjoy. If you like your little world so much why do you argue with people who are interested in a more inclusive society that has no need for you?

You say you want to be left out but you don't talk that way.

Honestly I don't care how you live. But if you don't live in the city then why support this ludicrous sardine city of the future?

I never said I want to be left out. Living in the rural doesn't mean no social interaction. In fact my wife and I have a fairly large circle of friends.

 

[AlexBailey]

Honestly I don't care how you live. But if you don't live in the city then why support this ludicrous sardine city of the future?

I never said I want to be left out. Living in the rural doesn't mean no social interaction. In fact my wife and I have a fairly large circle of friends.

Who is asking you to support anything? The rest of the world can go on fine without you.

Food comes from many sources, the comforts and other necessities of your life come from many other places including cities. You're lying to yourself and everyone here when you claim to be self sufficient.

I know and work with many preppers who are working toward self -sufficiency, you don't sound like someone who has their ducks in that row, partly because I haven't ever seen you post anything thoughtful or constructive.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Who is asking you to support anything? The rest of the world can go on fine without you.

Food comes from many sources, the comforts and other necessities of your life come from many other places including cities. You're lying to yourself and everyone here when you claim to be self sufficient.

I know and work with many preppers who are working toward self -sufficiency, you don't sound like someone who has their ducks in that row, partly because I haven't ever seen you post anything thoughtful or constructive

You're the one that's lying. I never said I was self sufficient. No one is, even those that live off the grid. What I said was I have the capability to feed myself and my family if the need arises. I also have the ability to heat my home if the grid goes down. The world survived for a long time with no electricity, and for a hell of a lot longer without telecommunications and the internet. The truth is city dwellers will suffer and die at a much quicker and higher rate than those that can raise their own food, heat their own homes with wood, and work with others to share skills, crafts and products in the rural.

You know squat about me. Other than the Bull Shit and lies told about me here. So what you think I am, or what you think of me, means jack squat. If you KNOW preppers that are blabbing about what they are doing they are failing at the number 1 critical factor about surviving post the world we know now...SECURITY. Why tell everyone what you are doing and what you have? It makes you a target for vultures when and if shit goes down. You don't have to prep if you know who to kill and rip off.

 

[AlexBailey]

You're the one that's lying. I never said I was self sufficient. No one is, even those that live off the grid. What I said was I have the capability to feed myself and my family if the need arises. I also have the ability to heat my home if the grid goes down. The world survived for a long time with no electricity, and for a hell of a lot longer without telecommunications and the internet. The truth is city dwellers will suffer and die at a much quicker and higher rate than those that can raise their own food, heat their own homes with wood, and work with others to share skills, crafts and products in the rural.

You know squat about me. Other than the Bull Shit and lies told about me here. So what you think I am, or what you think of me, means jack squat. If you KNOW preppers that are blabbing about what they are doing they are failing at the number 1 critical factor about surviving post the world we know now...SECURITY. Why tell everyone what you are doing and what you have? It makes you a target for vultures when and if shit goes down. You don't have to prep if you know who to kill and rip off.

I know you only from your own posts.

Again you project your assumptions on me. Get over yourself. Other people here are talking about ideas for how to make things work better for their perspective and you're saying why it wouldn't work for you. What makes you think your input on ideas you don't want to be part of is worthwhile? You aren't helpful.

 

[LeeKee]

Curious, where do you get that anyone is saying that 'everyone' needs to live any certain way?

"The way forward is to redirect public spending on car infrastructure to buses and trains"

And only go where they go, when they go. And in order to do this, taxes will become very heavy and complete govt control. And it will ultimately be... not so great. Right now people leaving (due to high crime, costs, taxes) cities is a threat to the city because of the taxes not collected. It will require govt control over every aspect. Only the fascists(Mussolini) claimed to have had the trains run on time. Amtrak is a failure.

Curious, where do you get that anyone is saying that 'everyone' needs to live any certain way?

 

[TrailerHitch]

I know you only from your own posts.

Again you project your assumptions on me. Get over yourself. Other people here are talking about ideas for how to make things work better for their perspective and you're saying why it wouldn't work for you. What makes you think your input on ideas you don't want to be part of is worthwhile? You aren't helpful.

So you only what yes men involved in this discussion? Doesn't sound like the Americas I know.

 

[AlexBailey]

So you only what yes men involved in this discussion? Doesn't sound like the Americas I know.

No one needs your support. No one needs your permission. No one needs your buy-in. America is a plurality, it doesn't exist for you to tell others how to think or live. What makes you think anyone needs you as a yesman?